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We also have a digital imaging expert on TB forum that explained the effects seen in Davids images and movies. That digital imaging expert has even written software to correct for the Moire effect, a common problem and one that is evident in some of Davids videos. Another "anomaly" is the distortion while spinning caused by a rolling shutter, and that's the one that folks here are still using as evidence for some kind of effect. It's just distortion from a rolling shutter caused by movement of either the subject or camera. I noticed that David has yet to mention any of this on energetic forum, even after folks here were trying to figure out if what they were seeing on video was real or an artifact of digital imagery. Why?
No, you are completely wrong about it being a distortion from a rolling shutter caused by movement of either the subject or camera. David's device was sent to a respected member of this forum, Bruce, and Bruce says he and his family sees the glimmer effect with their own eyes.......so how can the glimmer be a camera effect or an artifact of digital imagery?
GB
Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 03:52 PM.
Hi all. I'm one of the people from Thunderbolts forum who was critical of the claims that David was making. First I want to admit that a couple of months ago I screwed up over a legitimate concern about the hazards of zinc dust and zinc oxide fumes from galvanized metals when I got confused about who was doing what to galvanized pipe. David wasn't exactly clear about how he built his rig in the beginning and I was honestly worried about people getting into something they were not fully informed about, i.e. zinc dust/fumes. I apologized to David for that error, he even mentioned that concern briefly on this thread, yet he still wants to call me a liar over an honest mistake and something I thought we cleared up a long time ago.
The thread on TB forum was locked, not due to subject matter, but after David's second immature rant, which contained veiled threats such as:
trust me, you will be remembered for what you have done
My advice is to avoid making extraordinary claims if you can't handle a little critical evaluation of said claims.
I never called anyone an "uneducated hillbilly" as David accuses in that rant, I simply stated: "As I said before, not even a rudimentary understanding of basic physics."
I suppose I did poke fun at this statement from earlier in this here thread:
Mainstream have never actually been able to define 'fire'. Plenty to say about it's heat and how to measure that. But no explanation for the property of the 'flame' itself.
That's funny to me because it's well known that fire (combustion) is just an exothermic chemical reaction. For example, the formula for methane combustion is CH4 + 2 O2 = CO2 + 2 H2O
It's also well established that a flame is a lightly ionized plasma and will be affected by an electric field. No surprise or mystery there.
We also have a digital imaging expert on TB forum that explained the effects seen in Davids images and movies. That digital imaging expert has even written software to correct for the Moire effect, a common problem and one that is evident in some of Davids videos. Another "anomaly" is the distortion while spinning caused by a rolling shutter, and that's the one that folks here are still using as evidence for some kind of effect. It's just distortion from a rolling shutter caused by movement of either the subject or camera. I noticed that David has yet to mention any of this on energetic forum, even after folks here were trying to figure out if what they were seeing on video was real or an artifact of digital imagery. Why?
That imaging expert has got the creds too:
received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering from Worcester Polytechnic Institute in 1993. His technical areas of expertise revolve around imaging, image acquisition, and image processing and analysis, and include areas such as optics, analog, RF, and power electronics, digital camera design, computer vision and optical metrology, and the application of digital imaging in diverse industries including medical imaging, scientific imaging and instrumentation, and industrial automation and machine vision.
So we're basically left with claims of seeing a "glimmer" or something. Given the imperfections in human vision the possibility of the monochrome pattern of the pipes playing tricks on the eyes can't be ruled out at this point. I suggested to David to do a proper scientific blind test with his rig and a mock up to determine if there's a "placebo" effect. I and others have also suggested several ways to quantify/measure the claims of a change in weight, etc. Still waiting on that.
Scotty. The lights from the truck were just illuminating the dust and or water vapor (humidity) in the air of the workshop (workshops do tend to be dusty). You didn't actually see the air itself, you just saw the light reflecting off particulates suspended in the air.
You can't rule everything out based on dust or humidity in the air. Take a look at this video, Spectacular orbs in the sky. If someone was explaining this video to you about the orbs in the sky, then I'm sure you would say it was just the light reflecting off dust particles suspended in the air. Now, after watching the video, can you see there could be other possiblities other than light reflecting off dust particles?
GB
Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 03:24 PM.
also bare in mind, that your eyes have a swirling fluid flowing across them (tears), partially impregnated with minute dust etc.
i have "seen" this swirling effect that youve mentioned and it was "in front of" my eyes..but not what i was looking at....kind of describe it like when you look through petrol vapours.
Scotty. The lights from the truck were just illuminating the dust and or water vapor (humidity) in the air of the workshop (workshops do tend to be dusty). You didn't actually see the air itself, you just saw the light reflecting off particulates suspended in the air. Think headlights reflecting off of fog at night. I've seen the same thing from the diffuse smoke of an incense stick in early morning/late evening sunlight coming through the windows. The early morning sunlight caused the same effect through the windows of the dusty humid hangar I worked in at the airport in Liberia.
You can replicate the conditions at home by burning a stick of incense, turning out the lights and shining a flashlight thru the smoky air or just use a pot/kettle of boiling water instead.
Hi all.
This week at my work I noticed something very strange that reminded me of this thread.
By blind chance I found myself in a setting where I could more or less SEE THE AIR AS A GAS! Not like on a hot day, but like a real swirling gas.
I was in my workshop with the lights on and it was dark outside.
There is a window with vertical louvers on the North side and then the street further out.
The louvers were open about 1/3 and across the street to the N/E there was a truck with it's lights shining into my workshop, so that when I looked at the lights the louvers in front of me were about 1/3 overlapped.
The louvers are also dirty with wood dust.
Now I was standing about 3 feet behind the louvers and when I looked through at the truck lights across the street I could suddenly see a gasseous "substance" in the line of my vision.
I think somehow the louvers and the light from the truck acted in such a way that I could see this "substance" which I suppose was the air?
As soon as the truck moved the effect was gone
It was truly fascinating, and like a real gas swirling around in 3D.
I had to look in a certain spot but it lasted long enough for me to be captivated and try different angles of sight, but then the truck moved and it was gone.....back to invisibility!
I've seen the youtube vids showing how sneezing affects the air and what I saw was very similar but less refined.
It was after all, simply by sheer chance...but it was very cool to witness.
I'm wondering if I could replicate the conditions here at home?
Scotty.
Jetijs, are you so comfortable using laser cutting in the context of magnetic properties? Lots of heat involved, I would say? Would the material not change? Laser cutting is nice and neat, but my gut feeling is to cut it up as cold as possible. I may be seeing problems where there are none.
I myself am now stuck with shortage of info about tool steel grades and types. I need to know what the best type is that retains the magnetism the best, after that I could try finding such material and get it laser cut. Of course no one at local metal suppliers has a clue about tool steels magnetic properties.
Jetijs
Jetijs, are you so comfortable using laser cutting in the context of magnetic properties? Lots of heat involved, I would say? Would the material not change? Laser cutting is nice and neat, but my gut feeling is to cut it up as cold as possible. I may be seeing problems where there are none.
This post is from June 19 when Bruce says he is traveling. June 26, he says he is moving and the computer is not yet connected. He is last active on July 19. Why hasn't he posted at OU.com or here? I have seen him active on OU.com at other times between June 26 and July 19. This doesn't add up to me.
GB
Perhaps he is checking in using his phone or some other system but cannot easily post. I certainly hope things are ok.
I recall we had a different fellow in another forum take ill and this same type of thing is what happened, his wife had taken him printouts of his PM's to the hospital and it was over 3 months before he recovered well enough to start posting again. But his wife did post in between to tell us he was hospitalized.
This post is from June 19 when Bruce says he is traveling. June 26, he says he is moving and the computer is not yet connected. He is last active on July 19. Why hasn't he posted at OU.com or here? I have seen him active on OU.com at other times between June 26 and July 19. This doesn't add up to me.
This is sad.
I guess the explanation could be that he found out something new about the device and does not want to share. Maybe he found out how to use the effect. I don't know and hope I am wrong. But if I am not, then this is just wrong.
David, no problems, I am willing to wait a few weeks.
I myself am now stuck with shortage of info about tool steel grades and types. I need to know what the best type is that retains the magnetism the best, after that I could try finding such material and get it laser cut. Of course no one at local metal suppliers has a clue about tool steels magnetic properties.
Bruce is a member of Overunity.com and has been active over there. He logs in, but does not post. He was last active on July 19, 2010. His last post was on June 26, 2010. This is extremely out of character for Bruce. The only reason to login and not make any posts for such a long period of time is to read private messages.
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