gravity waves found

[Aromaz]

@David,

do not be so depressed by others people's bahaviour. You have what you have; you are your own best witness. Just ignore all the negative and go on.
Yes it is nice to have support group; the road gets lonely. But do not rely solely on them. The road of an inventor is a lonely one; and it will always remain a lonely one. Look back in history.

Ever had the thought that it might be the asymetric construction of your wheel that might contribute to the effects? Some sections different from the others.

Just go for it; Mohamed Ali style. Al of the best.

[david lambright]

rolling vs global

i am still trying to get the camera, i shot the video and stills with the same one. i do not remember the brand of camera but in earlier posts i tell make, model etc...you might go back and see what brand, "cheapy", i think is what it was?...kidding....to determine the kind of shutter....it most likely is what solrey and moasic dave say it is, artifacting?...but i did think it was strange when the photos showed this and when shooting a video, seeing the same effect in the viewfinder and the recorded image.....i would treasure glens offer to go live with pro and con and neutral...i would just request to have many people there also, the more eyes the better, i mean you guys bring your friends and family or whoever...i would do it with my #1, but you got to admit, it does look kindof hokey with 2 by 4s, out of round and unbalanced, but it does work, so i would...about the copper ring, im not saying take my word, more like to the builders who have replications and have seen the glimmer effect, the copper tube is an inexpensive experiment, with a way cool visual effect. it can be done easily also....when i raise the copper ring, a bubble or film is what the people who see it describe it as....like a funnel or vortex....i hope someone is trying this and will post their results...thanks....david

[sucahyo]

do you have a link to garys stuff?....david

Gerry Vassilatos: Tesla's Radiant Energy Excerpts | MERLib.org

Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when placing a long single-turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The thin walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks............

[CatLady]

Yes!

Good idea Harvey.

FuzzyTomCat, thanks for offering to do this.

David, thanks for being persistent on your direction!

IndianaBoys vote YES

This will be so cool to watch. Get your next rig made up as soon as you can David. This is what open source is all about.

CatLady vote YES


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[thekubiaks]

Rolling shutter

Harvey,
Thanks for the rolling shutter pictures. I think you hit the nail on the head.

[IndianaBoys]

David,

Let's take a vote: Who would like to see this?
1. I would

Good idea Harvey.

FuzzyTomCat, thanks for offering to do this.

David, thanks for being persistent on your direction!

IndianaBoys vote YES

[Harvey]

Hi all,

Well I'm totally done in this thread .... I've offered several times to showcase David's device and his discovery on my "LIVE" 24/7 broadcasting channel Open Source Research and Development and let the four corners of the Earth see and comment on his findings for any period of time needed .... 1 hour to days "LIVE".

I have received "no" reply's to my offer and request.

Good "Luck" David with your project !!

Regards,
Glen

David,

Glen would be a very good asset to your cause and will give unbiased exposure to your effect for everyone to benefit from. Also, I think he may be nearly as close as Solrey. Perhaps both of them could evaluate the rig together with you to give a true balanced view. You as the PRO, Solrey as the CON and Glen as the neutral arbitrator

Let's take a vote: Who would like to see this?
1. I would

[Harvey]

Harvey. Which video are you talking about? Could you provide a link please, there have been quite a few videos.

Where the object is located in the frame in relation to center would make a difference in where the distortion is centered on the object, btw. Weren't the video's and still shots taken with different cameras anyway?

Thanks in advance for the link.

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[david lambright]

fuzzy

i am sorry about not getting back to you sooner, let me say first i tried to borrow the same camera that took both the video and still shots with...no luck...about the offer, with all of whats being said about this being normal and all...i just would hate to waste your time and resources...do not get me wrong, i would love to get my device live...also my device #1 is ugly, unbalanced, and has these hokey 2 by 4s on it ...it looks like crap...it works well enough, but i would like to get #3 built first....i dont blame you for withdrawing your offer....i know that what i see is new and the copper ring, i think if other replicators can get this effect also, it would be better than me trying to do expirements...just yet anyways.....so you can withdraw your offer i will understand....but if you could wait just a bit ...i would love to take your offer.....and again i am sorry.....david

[solrey]

Harvey. Which video are you talking about? Could you provide a link please, there have been quite a few videos.

Where the object is located in the frame in relation to center would make a difference in where the distortion is centered on the object, btw. Weren't the video's and still shots taken with different cameras anyway?

Thanks in advance for the link.

[solrey]

David. Along with being critical, I, and others, have also tried to be helpful by offering suggestions on various ways of testing that would help eliminate "false positives" in the evidence, such as not being able to rule out the rolling shutter distortion without a control comparison. Some of those tests could even possibly provide proof such as a weight hanging from a spring scale suspended over the rig, or a plumbob suspended next to it, or that simple balance scale someone took their time to diagram for ya.
Here's another idea for testing. A magnetic field viewer. Here's a video on making one.

Instead of responding to these suggestions, you just rant at me/others over how we don't believe and are trying to discredit you. That's why I said you're acting like an immature bully by ranting, as opposed to actually accepting those ideas with a positive attitude and answering legitimate questions about your supporting theories.

I think I'm closer to 50 miles away, btw. I told ya before it's at least a three hour round trip to get there and back and spend some quality time testing and talking. I'd even have a tasty Oregon micro-brew or two with ya. However, I have a lot on my plate so I don't really need the extra burden right now. I'll probably be going to Portland sometime in the next two or three months so I could arrange to stop by on the way but a special trip is just too inconvenient at this point.

For those that scoff at education, how do you know that what's being taught is wrong if you never bothered to learn it in the first place? How can a valid comparison be made in that case? Funny thing is, I agree that a lot of what's taught is wrong. But to say that everything that's taught is wrong is as silly as saying that everything taught is right. Reality resides somewhere between those extremes. The primary difference is that those of us who took the time to learn it anyways understand what's probably right, what's likely wrong and why.

[FuzzyTomCat]

Hi all,

Well I'm totally done in this thread .... I've offered several times to showcase David's device and his discovery on my "LIVE" 24/7 broadcasting channel Open Source Research and Development and let the four corners of the Earth see and comment on his findings for any period of time needed .... 1 hour to days "LIVE".

I have received "no" reply's to my offer and request.

Good "Luck" David with your project !!

Regards,
Glen

[Harvey]

Here ya go.

Harvey. The skew in all of the suspected rolling shutter artifact images is always in the same orientation within the frame regardless of the orientation of the frame in relation to Davids rig. Squished on the left side and elongated on the right side in every image.

Image of rotating fan blades taken with a global shutter, no skew.


Image of same fan taken with a rolling shutter. Squished on the left, elongated on the right. Much like Davids images.


Images came from here.

Compare with these two images of Davids rig taken from two different angles. The skew remains in the same orientation in relation to the frame, not the rig. Squished on the left, elongated on the right.



Here's the explanation from the digital imaging expert on TB forum:



Hope that's enough evidence for ya Harvey. All David has to do is what was suggested above, take a pic of any other rotating object, like a fan, with the same camera and put the issue to rest once and for all.

Even this latest copper ring experiment is the same tactic of "take my word for it" without any supporting measurements or experimental controls. Personal anecdotes is not scientific proof. If Davids rig were even weakly magnetized then that copper ring should respond accordingly and if that's the case there's nothing new or mysterious about that.

I have seen these.

However, it does not explain the effect that David demonstrated in his video.

[solrey]

Personally, I'm not going to accept the rolling shutter theory until some proof is shown to support it.

One thing that I feel disproves the shutter theory is that the parallax does not follow the camera when the camera is rotated, but instead stays with the object and even with different angles at that. I have yet to find (and I have been doing a rather intensive search) anything on the net that resembles this in any of the known photographic or digital aberrations.

I am fully open to data and proof to the contrary

Here ya go.

Harvey. The skew in all of the suspected rolling shutter artifact images is always in the same orientation within the frame regardless of the orientation of the frame in relation to Davids rig. Squished on the left side and elongated on the right side in every image.

Image of rotating fan blades taken with a global shutter, no skew.


Image of same fan taken with a rolling shutter. Squished on the left, elongated on the right. Much like Davids images.


Images came from here.

Compare with these two images of Davids rig taken from two different angles. The skew remains in the same orientation in relation to the frame, not the rig. Squished on the left, elongated on the right.



Here's the explanation from the digital imaging expert on TB forum:

The distortion in this image, is an artifact of it having been taken with a digital camera.

In most modern CMOS image sensors, the rows of the image are not all exposed synchronously. Rather these sensors have an "electronic rolling shutter" architecture, in which the rows are exposed sequentially from top to bottom (or bottom to top) as the image is read out from the sensor. This is a bit of an oversimplification, but nevertheless the effect is similar to what would happen if you exposed a piece of old-fashioned photographic film by sliding a horizontal slit from the top of the frame to the bottom.

In your picture:

The wheel segments at the top of the image, are moving from left to right, as rows are being exposed from top to bottom. The effect is that the segments appear to be skewed leaning to the left;

The segments at the bottom are moving from right to left, and so appear skewed in the opposite direction;

The segments on the right are moving downwards, as rows are being sequentially exposed one after another from top to bottom, so these segments appear elongated vertically;

Correspondingly, the segments on the left are moving upwards while being scanned from top to bottom, and appear shortened vertically.

I think If you took a video of any other rotating object with this camera, you'd see the same effects.

Hope that's enough evidence for ya Harvey. All David has to do is what was suggested above, take a pic of any other rotating object, like a fan, with the same camera and put the issue to rest once and for all.

Even this latest copper ring experiment is the same tactic of "take my word for it" without any supporting measurements or experimental controls. Personal anecdotes is not scientific proof. If Davids rig were even weakly magnetized then that copper ring should respond accordingly and if that's the case there's nothing new or mysterious about that.

[david lambright]

sucahyo

do you have a link to garys stuff?....david......and i will wait to hear back from other replicators......thanks...david