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  • gravityblock
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    Originally posted by solrey View Post
    Sure one can feel the force acting on two magnets if they're close enough, but not if they're too far apart and the force is less than human senses are able to detect, in which case instruments are necessary. :
    If a hall effect sensor is not close enough to a magnet or the force is less than the sensitivity of the sensor, then it's not going to measure anything either and will be no better than our senses.


    Originally posted by solrey View Post
    My advice to folks would be to watch the entire video from the beginning because it provides an explanation for what's happening with a PMH (think soft magnet).
    Regarding the MIT video and the PMH. Ed's magnets are not our magnets. Ed's magnets go out in straight lines and run against each other in a corkscrew motion (gravity). PM's have closed loops (magnetic fields).

    My advice to you is to re-read the book, "magnetic currents" with this in mind, so you don't confuse the "magnets" that goes out in straight lines and run against each other with the "magnets" that have closed loops.

    GB
    Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 07:43 PM.

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  • solrey
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    Jetijs.

    How stupid must a person be to not able to distinguish the effect from light in a dust cloud? I am sure Loadstone is not the case
    Who said that the "effect" was from light in a dust cloud instead? Not me. I just pointed out that what Scotty saw was likely dust/moisture in the air of his workshop. That had nothing whatever to do with David or his rig. I never commented about that being the cause of the "glimmer" either. Didn't even hint at it.
    What I said regarding Davids rig was that a monochrome pattern like that can cause an optical illusion or trick of the eyes, which could be very similar to the "glimmer" that's been described. Not a word about light in a dust cloud.

    And you're trying to call me stupid?

    I mean

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  • solrey
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    Use this same technique to lift your car and put it on the rooftop of your house, then you'll have my attention.
    If I had a lever and fulcrum large enough, no problemo, although it would be more practical to use a tripod, pulleys and chains similar to Leedskalnins.



    Sure one can feel the force acting on two magnets if they're close enough, but not if they're too far apart and the force is less than human senses are able to detect, in which case instruments are necessary.

    Try cradling a 4 lb. odd shaped object on your fingertips and see if it feels stable and balanced.

    If one can feel it, one can measure it yet all I've seen is uninformed circular reasoning to explain away the fact that nobody has been able to measure anything at all up to this point.

    I believe one of the people that claimed to feel a change in weight is also the person who thinks scientists don't know what fire is. They also think the levitating cell phone video is not a hoax. IMO, that's not a very credible witness to confirm or deny anything scientific. As a matter of fact, there is a profound and somewhat disturbing lack of basic knowledge displayed by many in this thread so I honestly don't find any of the folks evaluating Davids rig to be credible in regards to judging the validity of anything scientific.

    Start watching around 32 minutes of this MIT video on the various ways a ferromagnetic material can be returned to it's virginal state.
    My advice to folks would be to watch the entire video from the beginning because it provides an explanation for what's happening with a PMH (think soft magnet).

    Oh, David. We already know that aluminum is paramagnetic, nothing new there, other than some people being unawares and experiencing it for the first time.

    I said, more than once, it could be the power of suggestion driving confirmation bias among certain folks lacking a background in physics. You twist that around in your head and come up with some kind of "mind control" scenario? David, grow up and stop acting like an immature bully. I might take you a bit more seriously then.

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  • Jetijs
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    lol David
    I am with you!
    How stupid must a person be to not able to distinguish the effect from light in a dust cloud? I am sure Loadstone is not the case
    Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged!
    Jetijs

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  • david lambright
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    gravity block

    just wanted to say thanks and email me if you want [email protected], ive got to work today, controlling minds, i will be back this evening.....thanks, ...david
    Last edited by david lambright; 07-22-2010, 05:49 PM. Reason: mind controll

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  • david lambright
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    my imagination?

    sorry everyone, i guess my mind has not only played tricks on me, but has also played tricks other people as well, i must have one hell of a strong mind to do this over long distance?....mind control who would have thought?.....i just hope magnetic aluminum is not a product of my over active imagination also ......david

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  • gravityblock
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    Originally posted by solrey View Post
    Then measure it with a scale, a balance or something, GB. Otherwise it's just anecdotal and therefore confirmation bias can't be ruled out.
    If it can be felt, then that is a good enough for me to know there is a force there. A scale or a balance is not needed in order to know there is a force between two magnets when holding them in your hands, correct?

    GB
    Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 05:32 PM.

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  • gravityblock
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    Originally posted by solrey View Post
    Just remembered I wanted to post something real quick regarding Leedskalnins utilizing the secrets of gravity and leverage.

    I pulled a 4x4 fence post that was 2' deep in the ground straight out of the soil so I could replace it with a new one without digging a bigger hole. I just used the new 4x4 as a lever with a 6x6 for a fulcrum placed about a foot away from the post, to which I had nailed a scrap piece of 2x4 to give the lever something to grab onto. That allowed me to transfer almost 1,000 lbs. of force with my 150 lb bodyweight on the end of the lever around 7' from the fulcrum. Removing that post was easy knowing how to use the force of gravity and leverage to my advantage.

    Use this same technique to lift your car and put it on the rooftop of your house, then you'll have my attention.

    GB
    Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 05:17 PM.

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  • solrey
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    Then measure it with a scale, a balance or something, GB. Otherwise it's just anecdotal and therefore confirmation bias can't be ruled out.

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  • solrey
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    Just remembered I wanted to post something real quick regarding Leedskalnins utilizing the secrets of gravity and leverage.

    I pulled a 4x4 fence post that was 2' deep in the ground straight out of the soil so I could replace it with a new one without digging a bigger hole. I just used the new 4x4 as a lever with a 6x6 for a fulcrum placed about a foot away from the post, to which I had nailed a scrap piece of 2x4 to give the lever something to grab onto. That allowed me to transfer almost 1,000 lbs. of force with my 150 lb bodyweight on the end of the lever around 7' from the fulcrum. Removing that post was easy knowing how to use the force of gravity and leverage to my advantage.

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  • gravityblock
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    Originally posted by solrey View Post
    How do you know the "glimmer" is real and not just a trick of the eyes due to a monochrome pattern of cut pipes? Human vision is far from perfect so the possibility of optical illusions can't be ruled out until a proper double blind test with a mockup is conducted. Like I said previously, regardless of whether the "glimmer" is real or not, that does not nullify the known artifacts of digital imagery. "Glimmer" or no "glimmer" the digital camera artifacts are the same. In the one video with the screen behind Davids rig those colored bands would still remain even if the rig was removed because those bands are due to the "Moire effect" from the pattern of the screen.

    Anyways, I got stuff to do besides
    I guess the eyes and the mind are playing tricks on us also when a force is felt when holding non-magnetic objects over the device due to it's monochrome pattern of cut pipes?

    GB
    Last edited by gravityblock; 07-22-2010, 04:53 PM.

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  • solrey
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    How do you know the "glimmer" is real and not just a trick of the eyes due to a monochrome pattern of cut pipes? Human vision is far from perfect so the possibility of optical illusions can't be ruled out until a proper double blind test with a mockup is conducted. Like I said previously, regardless of whether the "glimmer" is real or not, that does not nullify the known artifacts of digital imagery. "Glimmer" or no "glimmer" the digital camera artifacts are the same. In the one video with the screen behind Davids rig those colored bands would still remain even if the rig was removed because those bands are due to the "Moire effect" from the pattern of the screen.

    Anyways, I got stuff to do besides

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  • solrey
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    GB. I'm completely right about the rolling shutter, regardless of whether the "glimmer" effect is real or not. Snap a picture of a spinning disc with a camera utilizing a rolling shutter and you get the same distortion as seen in Davids image. That's from our resident digital imaging expert who I'm sure has a heck of a lot more knowledge about digital imagery than all of the folks on this thread combined.

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  • gravityblock
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    @Solrey:

    You ruled everything out in Scotty's description of what he saw based on one possible explanation of light reflecting off dust particles and you have also ruled out the glimmer effect with Dave's device based on artifacts of digital imagery. You have taken one possiblity, and use that one possiblity to rule everything else out (This is the wrong way to do things).

    Please tell me how the glimmer in Dave's device is a camera effect or an artifact of digital imagery when it is seen with one's own eyes? This rules out the artifact of digiatal imagery, does it not?

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  • solrey
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    GB. I hear what you're saying, but Scotty didn't describe orbs of any sort, much less orbs in the sky. He described exactly what one would expect to see when a bright light shines into a dusty/humid workshop.

    If someone was explaining this video to you about the orbs in the sky, then I'm sure you would say it was just the light reflecting off dust particles suspended in the air.
    How do you know that I would respond that way? Based on the fact that I think headlights shining into a workshop are reflecting off dust/moisture in the air? Those are two completely different scenarios so each would merit their own unique response.


    cheers

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