Electric Motor Secrets

[RAMSET]

Gents,
Some really amazing electric motor secrets!

The Thane Heinz, AKA Boom Boom ,CrankyPants, Man Zilla
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Chet

[krysolet]

triangle core

And than I like to attach some generator to this motor. I found one fan with 48V /200W widding. Classic principle like PC fan. And after some research I tried iron core with triangle shape. So, I do it right now and I must do some measurment but I like to show you another pictures..

[krysolet]

attraction motor

Hi all, I like to show you my work. After some experiments i found this type of motor and I try to make it.
So I start with iron core 1x1cm, lenght about 40 cm with cross rotor, two widdings for 200 loops. Input voltage 24V, current /measured with analog A meter/ 1,5A and RPM 3333 Then I found circuit what Jetjis and Mr. Lindemann drawn and I use it. RPM goes ut to 4000 RPM and currend goes to 1Amp. Then I try some experiments with pulsed optobridge.

[Jetijs]

Hi Peter.
Those are all valid points. Just few days ago I reassembled my V2 motor since it was damaged in a fire. Now it works well again and with the spikes going back intor primary capacitor, even in non optimal timing position, the recovered energy is about 40%. True, we must make the design and coils so that the inductance does not change much no matter on what the rotor position is at the time. I guess one method to achieve this would be increasing the air gap between stator and rotor. For example, this was the current waveform of my V2 motor with air gap of 0.13mm:


As we see this is the waveform we want to see, the current goes up and stays there till the ON pulse is turned off. This means max recovery if the pulses are chopped short enough. And now lets look at current waveform of my V3 motor with air gap of 0.08mm, all the other specs of the motor are about the same, except the coils use a little thinner wire and a few more windings. :



Here we can clearly see that the inductance changes while the rotor aligns to the stator, if we look at the area beneath the wave, that is the energy spent, but the energy that can be recovered from this setup would be somewhat around 5% at best. If we get the RPM's higher, the power impulse gets shorter, like this:


But still, the recovery is very small, we can see that this power impulse needs to be at least 2x shorter to get max recovery back for that pulse.

And the only difference between those two setups is the air gap. Smaller air gap means greater torque (with V3 motor I easily reached RPM's of 12000 at 12v and was afraid to go higher in voltage) but inductance change of the coils becomes a major problem and the recovery goes down. Anyway, 0.08mm air gap is the best thing you can achieve with todays tools, bearings and so on.

One idea how to get around it would be to chop the ON pulse into several smaller ones, each with its own recovery, this would improve the input vs output ratio, but I guess the torque would suffer. Also the thing is that I have never measured the efficiency of my motors, the only motor that efficiency I measured was the Flynn parallel path motor and it was very low in my case, but judging from the torque that I can feel by braking it buy hand, my attraction motors are much easier to slow down for the same power input. I suspect this is because my attraction motors do not have 100% on time, they are on only for 280 degrees out of 360. That means the rotor turns 80 degrees of every revolution on its inertia, thus the easy slowing down by hand. To go around this I would make two motors with their rotors coupled together at an 45 degree angle, so that when one rotates by its inertia, other one has its power pulse. This way we get 100 overall ON time BTW all my pictures and schematics on this subject can now be found here:

[Peter Lindemann]

You are on the right track

Peter: Loved the video, learned a lot, spent about a week reading this entire thread from start to end. Here's a couple of points I got out of it that I'd like your opinion if I'm understanding them correctly.

- In the case of the "Cross" style rotor, To me it seems like you'd get most likely max torque/regen if you SHUTOFF the coil right at the perfect alignment point (i.e. rotor/stator perfectly in line) and turned it on at some point PRIOR to there assuming you have the inductance not too high where it limits your speed and efficiency) where the coil/stator does NOT saturate. i.e. Intuitively to me it means to tune your setup so you can turn on the coil when the rotor is just beginning to sweep across the stator, for max attraction and torque, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have to turn it on when it's far away, and if you do to be able to get to decent core saturation, you have too much inductance, or too "slow" or a stator material.

- You need to be aware of the inductance of your stator winding, and the permeability or "magnetic speed" of your stator/rotor material, which will determine max speed, torque charactoristics and required timing, the faster you can charge/discharge the coils the better the speed/torque and regen ability (and overall COP) should be.

Would it be advantageous to use a supercap (1-10 Farad) cap for the "dump site" (to dump the energy from the coil on field collapse), such that it can be reused immediately on the input? Caps are much better at taking huge amounts of energy in/out in short duration, unlike a battery, which I'd think would be more likely to turn that into heat, or boiled electrolyte, more than used completely effectively.

I'm not too interested in charging batteries, but if I can take a motor that puts out X HP at Y RPM and draws Z amps, and do some work and change its configuration, and get it to generate X HP at Y RPM, for 1/5th Z AMPS, then that's a "Good Thing", esp if it doesn't involve having to charge a battery or some other complication...

Thoughts?, Am I way off base?

thanks
-- David

David,

You are on the right track. The most important thing about limiting BEMF is limiting input VOLTAGE. Magnetic field strength can be measured in either Gauss, or "ampere-turns". Notice it is not "watt-turns", as it does not actually require a specific number of watts to produce a specific strength of magnetic field. The DVD was produced 3.5 years ago, and since that time I have been working with a number of people on this concept. We have run hundreds of computer simulations on the method and developed very advanced designs, which I am not free to discuss here, because we have all signed NDAs.

I can tell you that the ideal motor, based on these principles, has a number of characteristics. These are:
1) The coil impedance of the system is quite low, to allow rapid charge and discharge of the coils.
2) The inductance changes very little through the power stroke, to maximize electrical recovery. The way this is accomplished, I cannot discuss.
3) The reluctance of the total magnetic circuit changes very little through the power stroke, as well.
4) Input supply voltage is kept to the lowest value possible by limiting BEMF in the input coils. The methods used to accomplish this, I cannot discuss.
5) Mechanical power production is managed by optimizing the timing, the size of the air-gap, and the total coercive force of the magnetic field across the air-gap, measured in Oersteds.
6) Capacitors are used in the electrical recovery circuitry.

If you think carefully through each of the parameters that must be accomplished, the motor designs itself.

Best of luck,
Peter

[extace]

Gist of Peter's video

Peter: Loved the video, learned a lot, spent about a week reading this entire thread from start to end. Here's a couple of points I got out of it that I'd like your opinion if I'm understanding them correctly.

- In the case of the "Cross" style rotor, To me it seems like you'd get most likely max torque/regen if you SHUTOFF the coil right at the perfect alignment point (i.e. rotor/stator perfectly in line) and turned it on at some point PRIOR to there assuming you have the inductance not too high where it limits your speed and efficiency) where the coil/stator does NOT saturate. i.e. Intuitively to me it means to tune your setup so you can turn on the coil when the rotor is just beginning to sweep across the stator, for max attraction and torque, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have to turn it on when it's far away, and if you do to be able to get to decent core saturation, you have too much inductance, or too "slow" or a stator material.

- You need to be aware of the inductance of your stator winding, and the permeability or "magnetic speed" of your stator/rotor material, which will determine max speed, torque charactoristics and required timing, the faster you can charge/discharge the coils the better the speed/torque and regen ability (and overall COP) should be.

Would it be advantageous to use a supercap (1-10 Farad) cap for the "dump site" (to dump the energy from the coil on field collapse), such that it can be reused immediately on the input? Caps are much better at taking huge amounts of energy in/out in short duration, unlike a battery, which I'd think would be more likely to turn that into heat, or boiled electrolyte, more than used completely effectively.

I'm not too interested in charging batteries, but if I can take a motor that puts out X HP at Y RPM and draws Z amps, and do some work and change its configuration, and get it to generate X HP at Y RPM, for 1/5th Z AMPS, then that's a "Good Thing", esp if it doesn't involve having to charge a battery or some other complication...


Thoughts?, Am I way off base?


thanks
-- David

[uusedman]

Eric,

The book you are looking for is Basic Electricity. Amazon.com has 6 copies in hardbound and 54 new and used copies in paper back. Here's the link:

Amazon.com: Basic Electricity: Complete Course, Volumes 1 Through 5: Books: Nooger & Neville Inc. Van Valkenburgh

Good luck,

Peter

Hi Peter,

Can I ask why you choose this book instead of hundred of other electricity books? FYI, I did buy.

Thanks

[lamare]

Some brand new info on how to make power for these motors

Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure

Worth a look, the info is for you to do as you please!
on any forum you choose!
Chet

Uploaded the whole thing here:
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Aether%20Vortex%20Energy%20Converter/

Thanks!

[Harvey]

Some brand new info on how to make power for these motors

Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure

Worth a look, the info is for you to do as you please!
on any forum you choose!
Chet

Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure

Has it really been around for over 2 years and no one has made any progress with it?

I don't know what the "original Spherics post" was but someone linked to this: Google Translated To English

[Slovenia]

Very Interesting Great Find

Ramset,

That's a very interesting great find you have there. Thanks!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Some brand new info on how to make power for these motors

Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure

Worth a look, the info is for you to do as you please!
on any forum you choose!
Chet

[RAMSET]

Some brand new info on how to make power for these motors

Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure

Worth a look, the info is for you to do as you please!
on any forum you choose!
Chet

[cyberXena]

Laminations

Hi CyberXena,
I have seen that Proto Laminations site before, and I always wondered what the cost will be for such an attraction motor. Please let us know how much they quote. As far as I understand it they make actual laminations dies that stamp out the shapes rather then laser or flow jets. So I really wonder how expensive this service is.
Please keep us updated!

Thanks,
Steven

Long time comming but other prorities got in the way.
They quoted me $1400 per core cut stacked and laser welded
with their special "tab" laser welder. Pricy but professional.

[Angelinabv]

HI,

Which one is best, both stepper or shut are sounds good to me

Power Plant Developers

[tugarte]

interesting!

[Tony James]

Electric Motor Secrets

That is awesome.