Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[alexelectric]

The standard coil bobbin I am using holds 3,000 feet of #23 when FULL. That gives me about 130 volts at 1.5 amps per coil with my rotor running at 2800 rpm. Now the only way to get more production with THAT coil is with a different rotor that has MORE magnets or THICKER or LARGER magnets and/or running at a higher rpm. Of course a LARGER coil with more wire will produce more power and research into how thick or how big a magnet is needed to fully "charge" a specific sized core is needed. The magnets I am using my be way overkill for my coils. I don't know. I'll know when I see it on my bench.

It would be pretty awesome if a bunch of folks were running the same sized rotor with the same size and number of magnets on a razor scooter motor like the one in the attached picture. And using 3 of the same sized coils. Then we could start experimenting with different numbers, sizes and thicknesses of magnets until we had what is BEST.

Attached is a picture of the little rotor I am using now 1" x 1" x 3/4" magnets on the rotor. Eight of them.

regards
per coil 3, 1.5 amp, 130 v equal 585 watts
how much your motor consumes
it's interesting if you already have profit

[BroMikey]

I still have quite a few of those 1" by 1/8" neos that can be stacked.
Would recessing those into a radial rotor and super gluing in place,

The rotor is the heart of the mechanical. Your coils will cost you good
money. Hundreds in the end so buy some wire here and there. About
$120 approx per spool 11lbs.

You don't want a $10 rotor trust me. Take your time is key

Think it thru, no rush. The cups direct the magnetism one way. cheap.


http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_11&products_id=147


http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_95&products_id=561

[BroMikey]

The coil bobbins ........... 245 to a case,

I'm not sure they will sell smaller lots, but they might.

Just a note... I am going with SQUARE coils on future builds. Round coils ................pulling the wires loose

You mean to tell me you wound 400 coils? That's a lot. Have you
ever encapsulated your coils and spools with epoxy?

So 1" of core material sticking out the back is enough to cool? How
about a set of aluminum fins or some kind of metal heat sink? Humm...

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for the tips as usual.
Are you doing that, running the multistrand coils as motor coils also.

For coil testing purposes,
I have a drill press motor rated at I think 1750 rpm, so that is probably not good enough rpm.
I also have a MY6812B scooter motor, rated at 24 volt - 100 watt at 2300 rpm, that might work, maybe the voltage can be pushed a little if need be, to get a few more rpm's.

Also, I still have quite a few of those 1" by 1/8" neos that can be stacked.
Would recessing those into a radial rotor and super gluing in place, similar to your recent pic turion of the plastic rotor, would the magnets hold in place do you think at 2300 rpm or greater.

It will probably be a medium density fiberboard rotor.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, soulless apocalypse nightmare is more accurate and I can't wait for the unveiling.
I'll probably go with the medium size device with many magnets.
And I think I will start building the rotor first and pick a motor, because I want to test this 12 strand 24awg. coil, that has 110 feet per strand, just to see how that does.
If it does nothing at reasonable rpm's, then I work on new coils.
Thanks turion, for the information.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

I wouldn't say it's a big mistake.....................

Men are selfish and hog everything to themselves, first mistake
second mistake is waiting til later by that time we will have gone
completely around them in this race to understand.

I don't hold it against people for trying to make money, besides not
everyone is that fond of the pigeons. The docile yuppies will never
get anywhere on this stuff as the schools have sucked the life out of
them keeping them from trying.

Third mistake "whats the use?"

Only the SOB'S take this challenge by force. Watch out for the tidal
wave of mindless dweeve's and their endless corrections. Seems they
only get off on self validation, mistake #4 and the list goes on forever.

Keep piercing the blackness and emerge unscathed in this Zombie
apocalypse nightmare as always.

From here it is all up to you how much money you want to spend. I
think a big machine is several thousand just for the wire, spools, cores
after that all you need it bearings and a magnet rotor. Machining costs
are 50 dollars an hour or better.

If you go with a medium size (Like me) try to do what Thane did. His
rotor has a large dia with many magnets, that will get speed up sooner
than those 3-4" wheels.

Plastic or metal rotors, magnets must be shielded to isolate them from
the next one on the wheel. Most use plastic because the don't shield.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for the helpful tips.
I found this video on utube, I think it may be even easier and for anyone reading this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZETeUMRP8

Think I will try this method, since I don't have a large, continuous roll of wire at the moment, I have to scavenge what I have, off of many other coil experiements from the past.

Do you think I should make the coil as you have designed yours, meaning 12 strands at 250 feet per strand.

peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for sharing.
So you're using the 12 strand - 250 feet per strand coils, with some kind of multiple thin rods as core.
Those are monster coils.
Did you make the plastic coil bobbins, or are they bought pre-made from something, what dimensions of coil bobbin.
Also, what dimensions of rotor and which version razor motor is that.

Hi bromikey, of course that quote is from awhile ago, so I would hope Thane is on to luc.
All I can say is something you already know, we apparently are surrounded by a whole lot of soulless ones in this particular realm and they beat to a different drummer, not the one creator source, so a puppet in this matrix realm is what they are.
They, the soulless ones have many veils over their minds, whereas we do not, apparently.
If this were not the case, you or I or turion, etc., would not have the freewill to even think this tech is possible and would be programmed to debunk it in some way.
Yes, this is all spiritual, if it were not, all these kinds of tech would be already in use by everyone, as they once were in the recent past.
I wouldn't say it's a big mistake, that's how things roll in this place, in a different kind of realm, all those inventors would never have been programmed to behave as they have, they would have selflessly given the knowledge of such (GAME) changing tech for free, so people can build it and share it, just as Thane, turion, etc. have done to one degree or another.
I'm going to focus on building a more practical coil, out of 24awg. wire, just need to figure out how I'm going to measure out each strand and then be able to wind them together.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

quote from Thane, yes I've been rummaging around the threads at
both sites.

I can hear the sound also, just before speed up, wasn't sure what it
was, now I know.

Of course Thane takes the time to see who is working on this Tesla coil
patent for lenz free electromagnets. Thane instigated some of this
work after he found out for himself years ago. His thrill is to see others
succeed.

However LUC is not about helping with these confirmations but I guess
he hasn't figured that one out yet. On the surface Luc comes on as
an engineer level student who is honestly looking for the goods, nope.

On bigger wire that produces more generated power Turion has led the
way publicly holding back nothing and giving himself to teaching this
subject for years.

Thanes quote is nothing more than a validation for Thanes work and only
breaks the ice for some college boys who won't agree. Just another proof
that Thane is right. Of course he is.

However we need to work toward the practical aspects and the processes
leading up to that. Only Turion has done that, the rest are out for money
so many secrets are kept. Only the select few inside get the goodies
and most of them don't have the time to follow thru.

It is a big mistake. We have many examples of people who found secrets
only to have them die with the finder. N.Tesla did not do that.

We have everything we need right here.
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[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, yes, that is interesting.
Only downside, not sure how much juice we can get from these 30 awg. strands.

Maybe if more separate coil/cores are added and placed in parallel for more current, that could work.

Here's an interesting quote from Thane, yes I've been rummaging around the threads at both sites.

I can hear the sound also, just before speed up, wasn't sure what it was, now I know.
peace love light

THE FINAL AND MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR IN YOUR REPLICATIONS IS THE SOUND THE HV COIL DISCHARGING MAGNETIC FIELD MAKES WHEN IT HITS I_RON'S ROTOR.
I_RON'S ROTOR OPENNED MANY NEW DOORS BUT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IF YOU GET THINGS RIGHT - YOU WILL ACTUALLY HEAR THE MAGNETIC FIELD PINGING OFF THE ROTOR WHEN THE HV COIL IS ENGAGED - JUST BEFORE ACCELERATION HAPPENS. (DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT SEND GOTOLUC A PM AND HE WILL CONFIRM THIS). IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
AS I HAVE SAID THE HV COIL IS ACTUALLY A CAPACITOR UNDER THE CORRECT CONDITIONS.
A CAPACITOR DISCHAGES INSTANTLY BUT ONLY AT TDC.
SO THE SOUND OF FLUX HITTING THE ROTOR IS THE CAPACITOR STORING ENERGY AND THEN RELEASING IT ALL AT ONCE. - YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND WITH A TYPICAL COIL THAT IS ACTING AS AN INDUCTOR PRODUCING AND RELEASING A "GRADUAL" MAGNETIC FIELD.
AND YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND IF THE CORES "DISAPPEAR" MAGNETICALLY WHEN ENGAGED
YOU WON'T GET THIS SOUND IF THE MOTOR IS CAUSING ACCELERATION - END OF STORY.

[BroMikey]

When I went to 12 strands 250 feet long of
#23 I got SUUL at 1800 rpm

At 1800 rpm's your 12"
rotor is carrying your magnets around at 63mph

....at 51 strands of 30awg., lenz
neutral is around 1500 rpm....................

Your magnets are traveling
16mph on that tiny rotor. 4X slower than 63MPH so maybe that short
strand coil with 12" rotor will speed up at 500rpms??
or 700RPM's see what I mean? Or 1500/4=350rpm??????????????

Slow mean less power generation so use a 96 magnet rotor

Conclusion:

Rotor dia relates to frequency based on RPM's. On a scope we read
time in micro second or milliseconds and can be converted to other
speed measurements. I went to MPH to give us a term easy to grasp.
Also to warn of the dangers of flying projectiles.

Typically Turions rotor magnet travels at 98mph at 2800rpm's



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[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for sharing that information, which I'm sure is a re-post.

I have another coil from previous experiments, it's a 12 strand - 24awg. magnet wire coil.
I measured ohms of single strand and calculated about 110 feet per strand.

Not sure if that coil is worth experimenting with or just making another coil of at least 12 strand 24 awg., with longer length strands.

I would like more usable power, plus, I do plan to build a bigger rotor with bigger magnets at some point in near future.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, thanks for sharing that.
Ok, I see what you are saying and asking of me.
I will test to see how low the rpm's can go with 51 strands, a 10 ohm resistor load and a couple other load resistances.

peace love light

Edit: Ok, with 10 ohm resistor load, at 51 strands of 30awg., lenz neutral is around 1500 rpm, little lenz speed up at around 1800 rpm.

[BroMikey]

I would have told you about the loading but it is better you find out
some things on your own. Like Turion just mentioned more magnets
generator more and I have 20 so this allowed me more power
to light up bulbs. You do not have 20 magnets. I have 4200ft of wire
on my "C" core, you do not have a "C" core or 4200ft of wire.

I am running sometimes over 3000 rpm's, not you. You are sometimes
at 1900rpm's, that is where I would like to see results. Down lower.
You could have 6" extension on any standard coil and you would not
get to where you are now.

What you have there that interests me is 51 strands at 40ft long
which seems to allow for speed up sooner. My strands for uncontrollable
speed up peaked at 17 using 3000rpm's or more and are 170ft each
strand or 17X170=2890ft of wire.

Turion is using 250 ft per strand + 800ft long I believe, wanto got speed
up at 2800 rpm's also using shorter strands than Turion.

What is interesting about your setup is that speed up has seem to
come at a lower RPM due to shorter strands using more of them(51)

The kicker will be when you connect all 51 strands in series and begin
slowing down the rotor to see what the very slowest RPM is that speed
up under load will still occur.

If this be true, that speed up will come at a lower RPM the next person
might us 100 strands at 20ft per strand. Who knows maybe 1000rpm's
will do the same job using the right coil.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, thanks, not sure it could have been done without the 1" core extension though, which I think added some phase delay.

I tried a 12 volt tractor battery as load with full wave bridge off coil, using all 51 strands
and I was able to get lenz neutral at around 2550 rpm.
If I used #1 to #15 strand, rotor would slow down, so battery load probably needs 30-51 strands and a little more rpm.

Seems obvious, the load type matters, though I would have thought the 12 volt battery, being so low in resistance, would not be much different than the 10 ohm resistor.
Maybe because it already has a 12 volt potential, that is causing the difference or the diodes resistance and causing the phase delay to be shorter, thus the need for more rpm and coil strands.
peace love light