Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[BroMikey]

I decided to try and use a 10 ohm - 10 watt resistor I had here.
And with rpms between 1950 rpm and 2325 rpm, I was getting
audible speed up with my ears and the amp meter dropping
in amperage.

..........It did not need all 51 strands to cause speed up either,
I placed the load between 51 and 15th series strand and was still
getting speed up.


Edit: I just checked with 10 ohm resistor load again, I can hear slight slow down at 15 strands.
So with that, we know this coil needs more than 15 strands at 2325 rpm.

peace love light

Keep flirting with it and you will find the right combo. I knew you could do it.

Sounds like around 35 strands you have struck a nerve.

[BroMikey]

Both Ferrite and Metglass are cooler than iron

,.......... So there goes your speed up under load.

For a BIG machine, circulate the heated water through
he floors and walls ..............

Can't help but think oil filled transformers, N.T. came out with those
also. I guess mineral oil works for heat extraction as a means of cooling
on a common pole transformer. Just press the spools into a tight fitting
plastic tube using water proof epoxy.

You have to heat your hot water at the house anyway. Quick and easy.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, better to have it without the capacitor I would think.

I see and have known the value, many things are very undervalued in this realm, because usually those things can't be controlled.
Take this Nikola Tesla coil I'm experimenting with and you are perfecting.
When taken to the logical conclusion of its use, unless we're going to be charged for the excess it generates, it too, cannot be controlled and put in a nice little box of, put 1 in and get 1 back.

Also, I measured the 120 vac - 11 watt incandescent bulb I was previously using as load and it shows 113.5 ohms.
I guess that it is too high of a resistance for my particular setup and my particular
Nikola tesla multifilar coil.
Maybe it was causing the effect to come too late or too soon.

By the way, I'm using Nikola tesla's full name, so people are not confused with that other puppet and their company.
peace love light
Thanks for your work and sharing turion.

[SkyWatcher]

success under load

Hi all, wow, thanks for that very helpful post turion, that will help for sure.

I have yet to read your post bromikey, have to go out, just want to post this update.

I have success under load , with lenz speed up, input amps drops at least 30 milliamps.

I decided to try and use a 10 ohm - 10 watt resistor I had here.
And with rpms between 1950 rpm and 2325 rpm, I was getting audible speed up with my ears and the amp meter dropping in amperage.

I could also see, It did not need all 51 strands to cause speed up either, I placed the load between 51 and 15th series strand and was still getting speed up.
Though I have most of them taped, so I would have to take more time to see where the neutral point is and then slow down point.

Edit: I just checked with 10 ohm resistor load again, I can hear slight slow down at 15 strands.
So with that, we know this coil needs more than 15 strands at 2325 rpm.

peace love light

[BroMikey]

Sky,
...................... I have a prototype that will run long enough to shoot
video and make real measurements that people can see.

The coils get hot and 10 minute the machine must be turned off?
Something like that is what you wrote. This might be why Heinz patent
talks about HT high Temp type II magnet wire. It has game changer
qualities as the resistance is lowered due to the nano coating on the
layered surface of the build.

As you know core material should be Metglas which is another game
changer I think. Iron might be easier for a novice. Like me.

Gonna order some of that there tape (Nano) to make cores with one
of these days from Alibaba. The price break is $145 to the door for
22 pounds of the best stuff having a higher frequency response (tiny)
than the standard 100hz tape sold for wall adapter construction.

As the coil strands get thicker more power is collected and it seems
like with better wire and core the heat will be greatly reduced to a level
that is practical to run long term. Still guessing of course but an educated
one. I cheat, I listen to everyone who has done it.

Keep up the fight to push foreword never surrender.

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[lorinrandone]

Turion
Thank you. I do not know if I could thank you otherwise for the accuracy and relevance of the given explanation.
My best regard. cristian alba

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi turion, thanks for sharing that information.
Yes, I thought about that also, the timing.
Maybe my high resistance series coils are not charging quickly with a load added, maybe the coil is charging too slowly and charging or filling the coil too late and causing a slow down with load.
Hmm, more to ponder and more experiments needed.
peace love light

[lorinrandone]

Hi lorinrandone, thanks for the reply and sharing your work.
Not sure how that coil is wired, if it is bucking mode, then I'm also not sure what results you might get, even if you have all the parameters close enough to get speed up under a load of some kind.

What I can say, you are close to speed up under a load, just as I am.

There is a window of opportunity, the variables have to be close enough to get lenz neutral or speed up under load.

This is my current thinking on the matter.
When the coil is short circuited, that takes the longest to charge the coil that way, as that is the greatest amp load on the coil.
However, as we add resistances (loads) across the coil, it takes less time for the coil to charge and that sends a magnetic flux wave into the oncoming rotor magnet and slows it down.
Whereas, with the short circuit, that magnetic flux wave coming through the core, does not get to the rotor magnet in time to push back against it, instead, it repels it away, just as you are observing and showing.
Your rotor must have a decent rpm I assume to be doing that, now it's just a matter of getting the variables or capacitance of coil higher, to allow a load which speeds up the charging time of the coil, to cause lenz neutral or speed up under load.
Though like I said, I'm not sure about that bucking coil, if you will get the same results as bromikey, turion, etc.
peace love light

Edit: just want to clarify more, my thoughts.
The shorted coil gives the highest magnetic flux into the core.
Though that is like shorting a capacitor, then remove the short and it takes much more time for that empty capacitor to charge up.
That is giving a very nice delay to the magnetic wave, which normally would push against the incoming rotor magnet.
When we place resistances (loads) across the generator coil, then it's like charging a capacitor that is half full, that takes much less time to do so,
and is why we then need much higher rpm's or a proper multifilar coil with more capacitance to cause a greater phase delay, or an even greater length
core extension than what I have done.

SkyWatcher
thank you for your relevant opinions. I'm going to put more data about it.
As I said in the previous post, the coils are original drain pump washer and come wound with 0.45mm thread (I do not know how many turns open each). I have just turned one of them to connect as opposed , then I came up with the idea of making a kind of squirrel cage through the holes a few brass spuds that also serves to hold the core. I have also observed that fastening with iron screws, I do not get the same effect. I do not know, maybe it is an illusion. It is also true that I do not have much experience with this type of things, maybe Turion with his experience, could clarify this topic.
Thank you. cristian alba

[BroMikey]

Hi bromikey,
Yes, I think you are correct, not enough flux in this 3/4" diameter, bailing wire core.
In the past, with those bolt core experiments, I was using 1/2" diameter bolts and a rotor with 6 stacked of these 1" diameter by 1/8" thick magnets, for 3/4" thickness magnets.

Meaning, I don't think we can get 80 foot continuous coils,..............

Just seems like there must be other ways to connect all those wires
but I have not tried them. I saw a post somewhere of various connection
schemes. maybe bucking?????

Good observation about the magnets you use to use and the core. The
core could be easily replaced with a 3/4" square block off the bottom
end of a microwave transformer (MOT) this is what I use for now.

I have watched you for years now and your favorite position is out on
a limb sawing, true experimenter/inventor mind set.

Happy hunting.

yes the zero lenz effects already achieved on your end is enough to send
all the yuppies buzzing "Can't be done" to late


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[SkyWatcher]

Hi lorinrandone, thanks for the reply and sharing your work.
Not sure how that coil is wired, if it is bucking mode, then I'm also not sure what results you might get, even if you have all the parameters close enough to get speed up under a load of some kind.

What I can say, you are close to speed up under a load, just as I am.

There is a window of opportunity, the variables have to be close enough to get lenz neutral or speed up under load.

This is my current thinking on the matter.
When the coil is short circuited, that takes the longest to charge the coil that way, as that is the greatest amp load on the coil.
However, as we add resistances (loads) across the coil, it takes less time for the coil to charge and that sends a magnetic flux wave into the oncoming rotor magnet and slows it down.
Whereas, with the short circuit, that magnetic flux wave coming through the core, does not get to the rotor magnet in time to push back against it, instead, it repels it away, just as you are observing and showing.
Your rotor must have a decent rpm I assume to be doing that, now it's just a matter of getting the variables or capacitance of coil higher, to allow a load which speeds up the charging time of the coil, to cause lenz neutral or speed up under load.
Though like I said, I'm not sure about that bucking coil, if you will get the same results as bromikey, turion, etc.
peace love light

Edit: just want to clarify more, my thoughts.
The shorted coil gives the highest magnetic flux into the core.
Though that is like shorting a capacitor, then remove the short and it takes much more time for that empty capacitor to charge up.
That is giving a very nice delay to the magnetic wave, which normally would push against the incoming rotor magnet.
When we place resistances (loads) across the generator coil, then it's like charging a capacitor that is half full, that takes much less time to do so,
and is why we then need much higher rpm's or a proper multifilar coil with more capacitance to cause a greater phase delay, or an even greater length
core extension than what I have done.

[lorinrandone]

Hi SkyWatcher. Hi everybody

My name is cristian alba. I am following your work and I have achieved a first step as you will see in the video that I will provide below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOFtSXnfD5o
I have achieved a significant increase in rotor speed with a relevant current drop. When you put a load on it, things change and the law of lenz is present. If you do not mind, could you indicate what I am doing wrong?
I have to mention that I used two coils of a washing machine drain pump connected in bucking coil.
Thank you. cristian alba

[SkyWatcher]

Hi bromikey, thanks for the positive, encouraging words and helpful information as always.

Yes, I think you are correct, not enough flux in this 3/4" diameter, bailing wire core.
In the past, with those bolt core experiments, I was using 1/2" diameter bolts and a rotor with 6 stacked of these 1" diameter by 1/8" thick magnets, for 3/4" thickness magnets.

Also, I did connect an amp meter earlier today, to see if the amps were increasing when short circuited, zero increase at very low rpm's.

Yup, I thought about the same thing, the 80 foot coil idea.
Though as I thought about it, isn't that exactly how it is wired now, it's one long series coil wire.
Meaning, I don't think we can get 80 foot continuous coils, only a 40 foot coil that is connected back to the start of another coil strand, Nikola Tesla style.

Unless I'm not imagining this in my minds eye correctly, let me know what you think.

Otherwise, I'm going to think about what to do next, will probably do a higher speed run tomorrow, when I'm rested more.

Also, do you think I should post a video showing my progress so far, of how it is lenz neutral, when short circuited, would that be of value to you or anyone.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Great to see someone going out on a limb for a change. Nice
setup and excellent persistence.

Let me repeat that when not much magnetic flux reached the cores
my speed up was so tiny I could barely read it. However with tight gaps
and super powerful cogging my speed up soared to record levels using the
same magnets, using the same rotor, using the same coil, using the same
running and start up RPM's. Everything was the same except for the
start up magnetic cogging which is enormous. This also permitted me
to generator a decent amount of power where with big gaps little
to nothing.

You always go out on a limb, perfect choice for the new hardware.

PS you can connect two 40ft coils up to make 80ft coils (Not series)
Maybe 40ft is too short for your size rotor.

Then series connect 80ft coils.

No one has ever tried this.

[SkyWatcher]

Partial Success Update

Hi all, I'm having partial success, got the extended core put back together and it is lenz neutral, it seems, at just about any rpm when short circuited.
However, when I load the generator coil with a 6 watt non-modified led bulb, lenz slow down is observed.
Though I have not yet cranked up the rpm's to high levels, need to put the shield back in place later and try that also.
Though we are obviously close, maybe a certain type of load will be lenz neutral at this point, compared to the led bulb's inner circuitry.
peace love light

[alexelectric]

Hi Alex,

No, my question is no way related to radio, I meant the actual frequency of the passing magnets in the rotor, relative to your coil.
this means tuning is the other way around, you set your coil place a capacitor in parallel to make a tank circuit, and adjust your RPM/magnets to that tank circuit's frequency.

if ricards, if I understood the first comment, the speed with which passes the magnets, which can come into resonance with the coil, and make the tank circuit with a capacitor in parallel.

what I described of the radio communication was an addition to the oscillating and resonant circuits.

The detail is that here, I think that the capacitor is not put in parallel, if not adding the connections of the coil to have different inductances, at different frequencies (rotation of the magnets), and the capacitance takes advantage of the same that form the coil

There are different ways to make the resonant circuits, I have seen projects of motors that coils that try to take advantage of the capacitance of the coil, etc,
well there's a lot to keep experimenting
welcome the comments everything helps to understand and learn,
Thank you