Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[ricards]

yes, the frequency in a tank circuit L, C, passes the frequency that enters resonation with the circuit.
this process is the one used in the radio, when you tune in a station, it has a propagation frequency, in tuner circuit of the radio receiver, a variable capacitor moves, which is connected in parallel to a coil, it enters resonance or tuning , and lets pass the corresponding frequency.

Hi Alex,

No, my question is no way related to radio, I meant the actual frequency of the passing magnets in the rotor, relative to your coil.
this means tuning is the other way around, you set your coil place a capacitor in parallel to make a tank circuit, and adjust your RPM/magnets to that tank circuit's frequency.

[alexelectric]

from what I understand, it seems the neutralization of lenz seems to be because of resonance?..
would the effect show on a tank circuit instead?..

frequency of the rotor can be determined by (rpm/60s)*number of magnets
and the frequency in the coil can be calculated via L and C.

say a rotor that can turn to 1800 rpm with 8 magnets would be 240hz
a matching coil and cap would be 4.7uF and 93mH coil.

Just a wild thought..

yes, the frequency in a tank circuit L, C, passes the frequency that enters resonation with the circuit.
this process is the one used in the radio, when you tune in a station, it has a propagation frequency, in tuner circuit of the radio receiver, a variable capacitor moves, which is connected in parallel to a coil, it enters resonance or tuning , and lets pass the corresponding frequency.

[alexelectric]

very good advice, in my case in two projects, the magnet flew out, hit a refrigerator that made a hole, luckily I was on the side

[alexelectric]

Hi alexelectric, not clear on what you're asking.
Though if you mean, am I looking for just lenz neutral or speed up, lenz neutral would be fine at this point.

That's why I went up in rpm's, to see if I could reach neutral at least.

Though I could go higher in rpm, I don't want to destroy that rotor.
I want to see if I can get this rotor to at least lenz neutral, with more reasonable rpm's.
peace love light

ok, that you achieve your goal, you have worked a lot on this project

[SkyWatcher]

Hi alexelectric, not clear on what you're asking.
Though if you mean, am I looking for just lenz neutral or speed up, lenz neutral would be fine at this point.

That's why I went up in rpm's, to see if I could reach neutral at least.

Though I could go higher in rpm, I don't want to destroy that rotor.
I want to see if I can get this rotor to at least lenz neutral, with more reasonable rpm's.
peace love light

[alexelectric]

Hi all, Hi ricards, thanks for the positive reply.

Hi bromikey, thank you also, you always have a positive, helpful reply to offer.
I am taking note of all of your suggestions, for potential use.

In the past, I did build larger rotors, with more powerful magnets, though I was using bolts as cores, I still observed interesting effects.
One thing I observed, when the bolt coil/core was facing the magnets with the coil closest to rotor, I could not get lenz neutral or speed up.
Though when I turned the coil/core around, which means the extended length of bolt core was facing the rotor magnets.
And the coil was a good distance away from the rotor magnets, then I could observe lenz neutral and even rotor speeding up.
This is why I want to try a longer core, to set the coil a distance away from the rotor magnets, while the core end is still very close to the rotor magnets.

I notice in your regenX coil thread, Barbosi brought this up and you posted tesla patents and other information related to the setting back of the coil.
I'm almost done painting the new, longer core pieces, so I'll post experiment results when I have them.
peace love light

SkyWatcher, what do you think, that you can reach, that is, what deceleration you will have in the engine as a goal, when the resonance is fulfilled.
what is your estimate

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi ricards, thanks for the positive reply.

Hi bromikey, thank you also, you always have a positive, helpful reply to offer.
I am taking note of all of your suggestions, for potential use.

In the past, I did build larger rotors, with more powerful magnets, though I was using bolts as cores, I still observed interesting effects.
One thing I observed, when the bolt coil/core was facing the magnets with the coil closest to rotor, I could not get lenz neutral or speed up.
Though when I turned the coil/core around, which means the extended length of bolt core was facing the rotor magnets.
And the coil was a good distance away from the rotor magnets, then I could observe lenz neutral and even rotor speeding up.
This is why I want to try a longer core, to set the coil a distance away from the rotor magnets, while the core end is still very close to the rotor magnets.

I notice in your regenX coil thread, Barbosi brought this up and you posted tesla patents and other information related to the setting back of the coil.
I'm almost done painting the new, longer core pieces, so I'll post experiment results when I have them.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Yes I would say. My rotor has 20 magnets at 50lb pull each with
a 9"dia rotor where magnets did place which also is part of the
frequency.

Turion uses 6 magnets that are very very powerful. The dia escapes me
but around 12" which relates to a magnet speed in MPH much faster
than even my 9" rotor.

A good point might be that a 3.75" dia rotor might not be large enough
along side the weak magnets. Such thin magnets or 1/8" at gaps of 1/8"
may not provide enough flux to properly react with the larger cores.

Without a balance, drag may prevail.

In my case even with the big rotor using 20 magnets, I got my best
response when cogging at low speeds were tremendous. It became
very difficult at this point to get the rotor up to speed without damaging
the drive motor requiring me to resort to using a clutch.

The rotor magnets and core material must be sized to generate a
reasonable amount of output Vs input. When this is accomplished
drive input with increase substantial as compared to a free wheeling
rotor with no magnets.

For example a 50lb magnet 1" long, with an 1/8" may still exhibit a
40lb pull while an 1/8" long magnet running an 1/8th" gap may not
be capable of offering much flux.

[ricards]

Multifilar Coil Vs Tank Circuit

from what I understand, it seems the neutralization of lenz seems to be because of resonance?..
would the effect show on a tank circuit instead?..

frequency of the rotor can be determined by (rpm/60s)*number of magnets
and the frequency in the coil can be calculated via L and C.

say a rotor that can turn to 1800 rpm with 8 magnets would be 240hz
a matching coil and cap would be 4.7uF and 93mH coil.

Just a wild thought..

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, I have something I'm going to try.
I'm going to extend the core out from where it is now, by an inch in length.
Will have to hammer out the old core pieces and make new ones of proper length.
Questions or comments welcome.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi alexelectric, thanks for the kind words.
Yes, I'm thankful to bromikey and turion as well.
Ok, I've increased the rpm of the rotor with the safety barrier in place to around 2625 rpm's.
Still no lenz neutral or acceleratrion when series coil is shorted, with this particular setup.

Though again, when shorted, input amps are increasing very little, 10-20 milliamps.
So, I will have to give this some more thought, on what to do next.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi all, finished the protective shield.
Not feeling the greatest at the moment, when I feel a little better I will test this at higher rpm's.
peace love light

Good idea. We all had the croup here for weeks. These grain elevators
and stuff in the air (GMO bioweapons=Monsantos DNA mod's) just cough
till you barf.

Anyway

Great shield, I did that also as you can see in the video, Thane did it, only
one who didn't was Turion, he got shot with a magnet I think in the foot.

[alexelectric]

Hi all, finished the protective shield.
Not feeling the greatest at the moment, when I feel a little better I will test this at higher rpm's.
peace love light

Very good and greetings, you've been working very hard, well that you take your precautions, commented that an occasion with a bedini engine that was testing, the magnet went off, of luck was next to and not in front, I pass twice, it was very the speed of the bedini that one of the magnets gave off, thank God nothing serious happened,
thanks to all who contribute and guide, here and seen two users who know a lot and guide, BroMikey, Turion

and share their knowledge thanks to them and others.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, finished the protective shield.
Not feeling the greatest at the moment, when I feel a little better I will test this at higher rpm's.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for the helpful information.

I made the gap a little tighter on the magnet to core gap.
Also, I'm building a protective shield (dome) around the rotor using 1/2" high density board, to keep the water, oh I mean the rotor magnets from removing me from this realm.

Then I can feel better about increasing the rpm's to a higher level.
peace love light