Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[BroMikey]

Not me, Sky is using the same dia magnet on the repulsion side as the rotor magnets.
He may need a field that is more narrow.

I did the same test here using the MadMack setup and the wrong
magnet on the repulsion side slowed my rotor down in some cases

What I want to know is why are the builders so quiet.

[BroMikey]

....the magnetic lock caused by the spaced cores


Oh, and Mikey... There's really no need to impress me with your ignorance... I was already impressed from past posts... in the future if you show a little respect I will reciprocate with respect.

@Dragon
It's just me using the shock treatment. Dude there are no spaced core
strategy used here. That is the Muller motor that does that. If we were
using properly spaced cores you would still have lots of drag without
using Muller's coils and circuits.

No offense Dragon

However we can't keep mixing up apples and oranges in the details. A
little misinformation in the lump spoils the whole thing. Please keep
a strict eye on the specific layout and I won't feel the need to continual
correct you.

It is my desire that you understand. Is it yours?

Best way to grasp this easily is buy some refrigerator magnets that
are weak and cheap, then use a lazy Susan from the kitchen that
is used to spin around in a corner cupboard so you can get the cups
behind.

Now you have a spinning wheel and hot glue the magnets on that.
This will get you to magnetic cancellation by following instruction.
Very very simple setup.

First (Like Mad Mack taught) measure the pull force it takes to over
come the lock using 1 magnet on the spinning wheel to a bolt or
something iron. This is the first step.

Repeat this step again using a repulsing magnet on the opposition
side of the 2 rotor magnets to help break the magnetic lock.

Now you have your answer.

The taunt is all in fun to see whats inside.

God Bless you Dragon.

[dragon]

Thanks Turion for your "civil" answer to my questions although I still remain skeptical as to the power required by each added coil to the system. We are basically talking about 2 different functions each dealing with different rules - the magnetic lock caused by the spaced cores and the Lenz forces created by the current flow in the coils at speed.

Oh, and Mikey... There's really no need to impress me with your ignorance... I was already impressed from past posts... in the future if you show a little respect I will reciprocate with respect.

[bistander]

You know what a flunky is?

Do now. Mach1.6 at the rim.

[BroMikey]

Each coil we add will increase the input by 100 watts as well as increase the output by 100 watts. (maintaining unity) So with 10 coils we would have 1000 watts input to achieve an output of 1000 watts ( unity ).

Except you forgot one thing. I guess you didn't read the details. When a coil
to generate is installed on the generator head (EACH TIME) the drive input
will either go a tiny bit lower or stay the same. Did you forget?

Now let's try this again ( I know it is a brain fry) drive input will stay the
same if the generator uses magnetic neutralization, even at start up.

Did everyone hear that? No, I guess not, let me try once more. If I wanted
to demonstrate these facts I would use a Ferris wheel size project. Who
do we know did that?

Okay we all know3 that a 10-12 foot wheel has plenty of room all around
it, right? Let's say that the Ferris wheel can turn at 3000 rpm's(WOW)

Now we know from math equations that pie= 3.14 X Dia = circumference
so 12' X 3.14 = over 37 feet of running space to put coils. Now the coils
are bigger (Or smaller on your machine) so we would not know how much
a coil could produce without a test. Let's say we decided to populate the
wheel or rotor by putting a magnet every foot. With a foot to work with
we are going to need a pretty big magnet, let's say a 6" X 6" round magnet
whose pull force is hundreds of pounds each. But what do we care, once
the opposition magnets are in place it is as if no rotor to core cogging
existed, which it doesn't.

So now you have the picture ( I HOPE ) 37 huge magnets and no opposing
magnetic forces when the wheel is spun up by hand. Free as the breeze
as they say. Imagine the coils on this rig. Core material 6" dia and say
10" log so we can get our cooling in there

What's next is we must turn the rotor with the huge weights (magnets)
Let's say just for fun that to turn the rotor the drive input came out to
6,000watts. How much will a coil put out? Let's say a coil can put out
24 amps @ 130vac =over 3000watts. This coil is huge and wire goes
around a 6" core.

Remember the drive input never changes, right? Did you forget? Well
it don't change. So 2 coils you are at the break even point. How about
adding 10 more and calling it good? A total of 12 coils, can you get
a visual of this generator head?

How much power is left over? I get 10 X 3000w = ? How much?

You homies keep getting the answers wrong and flunkin test are going
to be expelled. You know what a flunky is?

[bistander]

Test suggestion

Really all Skywatcher needs to do is complete an output coil that will provide the same energy out as he is putting into it. For example his test showed 1.54 amps at 120 volts input so an output of 1.54 amps at 120 volts would be unity.( or any combination of voltage and amps that make up the 185 watt ) If all is done to Turion's specs this should be a reasonably simple task.. right?

Pretty close, dragon. But for AC out of the wall and for AC out of the coil (across the load) you need to use real power (watts) not apparent power (VA or volt Amperes). This involves PF or do as Sky did and use a killawatt meter.

Hi all, well there was a difference.
Killiwatt meter says:
With just the rotor = 1.54 amps, 138 watts
With core added = 1.59 amps, 144 watts
With core and magnet neutralizing = 1.59 amps, 144 watts.
...

[dragon]

Sky’s rotor isn’t the same size as mine. He isn’t using the same magnets I used. I don’t recall if he has 12 magnets on the rotor or not, so the number of magnets probably isn’t the same. His coil isn’t the same as mine... different size wire, different length, different number of strands 25% less mass of copper. Therefore, it is highly unlikely he will get the same output from his coil as I do. But he will get SOMETHING. And that will tell him how many coils he has to have to go COP>1. Then he just has to build it. I know how many coils I needed on my machine to break even with input and Sky will find that out for his machine. Every machine, if not an exact replication, is different.

Why would you need more than one coil to prove unity? If you can't achieve an activity equal or greater than the input with one then you couldn't do it with 2 or 10 or 100. Each coil would need to produce more than the input so the end result would be far greater than that of a single coil. Lets pretend we have a machine with a coil that produces 100 watts with a 100 watt input ( unity ). Each coil we add will increase the input by 100 watts as well as increase the output by 100 watts. (maintaining unity) So with 10 coils we would have 1000 watts input to achieve an output of 1000 watts ( unity ). However, if we have a single coil that requires a 100 watt input that could produce 110 watts out adding 10 coils our input would be 1000 watts and the output would be 1100 watts.

In order to increase the output exponentially as we add coils the input cannot change. Isn't this highly unlikely?

[dragon]

Really all Skywatcher needs to do is complete an output coil that will provide the same energy out as he is putting into it. For example his test showed 1.54 amps at 120 volts input so an output of 1.54 amps at 120 volts would be unity.( or any combination of voltage and amps that make up the 185 watt ) If all is done to Turion's specs this should be a reasonably simple task.. right?

[Quantum_well]

Messing with lens.

The way I see it:imagine your rotor with magnets as a toothed gear wheel driven by some prime mover.
Engaged is a similar wheel with a brake,this is the stator coils.
When you hit the brake the first thing to happen is the stator wheel stops and the tooth on the rotor wheel hits the stationary stator wheel tooth.
There's nothing you can do to alter this.
If you don't get this reaction nothing is going to happen.
It took me a while but I eventually came across relativistic electromagnetism. It's an absolutely beautiful part of physics.
Study it,learn and enjoy!!

[bistander]

Do something with it

...
I, on the other hand, have built over a dozen of these machines, have recorded them running, have measured the inputs and the outputs the amps and the voltage required by the drive motor when different rotor and coil combinations are used. I have all kinds of data and all kinds of facts.
...

Kool. Why don't you put together a white paper and get peer review?

[bistander]

Facts

..., therefore you HAVE no facts. ...

Like 200 years of scientific study by the best human minds and then like a billion copper and iron electrical machines operating daily.

You have 2 points from memory,

...
than explain the fact that with it in place the amp draw of the motor is 12 amps and without it in place the amp draw of the motor is over 30 amps. ...

Impressive.

[BroMikey]

There are no such devices running now nor have there ever been running to their claims.

Once again just Mr innocence blathering non nonsensical fiction.

Go MadMack you are the man
It would take years to thoroughly grasp all his data@Mr. Werjefelt

It's only invalid to a shameful skeptic such as yourself.

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[bistander]

You say

bi,
If magnetic neutralization is useless, than explain the fact that with it in place the amp draw of the motor is 12 amps and without it in place the amp draw of the motor is over 30 amps. Those are facts. You base your conclusions on the data provided by Sky running one rotor with a coil one time. I base my conclusions on several years of running my generator turned by different motors. It is so interesting that you are such an expert on this subject probably having NEVER built anything with more than a few coils.

You simply CANNOT explain those facts away. All you can do is whine about not getting the data you need and try to intimidate people into doing the work for you. I have just PROVIDED you with data, but you will still ignore it because it does not agree with your conclusions so it must be incorrect.

Turion,

You saying it doesn't make it fact. All these years and you haven't bothered to properly document or record a test. Doesn't Mr. Werjefelt convince you?

And this isn't about me. It's about the topic, science, experimentation and facts.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Earth engine

There are no such devices running now nor have there ever been running to their claims.

[BroMikey]

https://ie.energy/earth_engine/

The investors certainly are losers

The Earth Engine has been running for years offering 40kw. You are
not innocent when it comes to degrading invention in general.