ReGenX Coils and ReGenXtra switching

[BroMikey]

....................... But what I am seeing,................... is a MAGNETIC assist of some kind going on with these "opposition magnets".......it was freaking Greyland OUT in one of the videos because the motor seemed to be a "runaway" so he refused to operate the machine

I agree, that without shielding you cannot get perfect neutralization,

So I'm happy.

You have had more time to think about why than I have. So why do you think it is so free floating? You mean like a magnetic bearing?

BTW you sent me a full rotor and magnets of that old floppy rotor design that I call the hockey puck machine. Scary.

[Turion]

I don't know where you saw my "hockey puck" rotor machine. I think I did one video of a rotor that was around 6", when I was trying to show that introducing a single coil would affect the amp draw of the motor and the rpm, but I was unsuccessful in that demo. My instruments weren't sensitive enough to show much of anything. I have been using nothing but a 10 1'2" rotor for years, and an even bigger rotor on my big machine.

so not sure what you mean by “new beauty.” Same basic rotor for last five years. Just different ways to try and mount the coils and hold opposition magnets.

With 12 coils in place and NO magnetic neutralization, the motor would pull over 100 amps on startup, and over 38 amps to turn the rotor. I show that in one of the videos I posted recently. You can hear me say that it "pegged" the 100 amp meter. In other videos I posted a while back, I show it pulling 38 amps with all the coils in place. I burnt up SEVERAL of the MY1020 motors because they are rated for (I believe) 26 or so amps. (Just checked...27.4 amps) Far less than I had to pull. Thats why I started researching magnetic neutralization in the first place. With a 12 magnet rotor, only 6 of the magnets are ever aligned to the coils. How many magnets you have on the rotor makes NO DIFFERENCE when working to NEUTRALIZE. What matters is how many COILS you have. With six coils on each side of the rotor, only 6 magnets can be aligned to coils at the same time, whether you have 6 magnets or 50 on the rotor. So six is all you have to neutralize AT ONE TIME.

You are CORRECT that the magnets attract steel differently than they repel other magnets. But what I am seeing, and what has already been discussed here (alexelectric post 326) is that there is a MAGNETIC assist of some kind going on with these "opposition magnets". It's almost like some half-assed "permanent magnet motor." If you remember, it was freaking Greyland OUT in one of the videos because the motor seemed to be a "runaway" so he refused to operate the machine without some of the coils in it because without them, it was going much faster than it should have for the voltage and amperage he was running it at.

I agree, that without shielding you cannot get perfect neutralization, but I will leave that to the guys who come after me and want to improve the design. All I wanted to do was show that you COULD neutralize the attraction of the rotor magnets to the iron core and cut the amp draw of the motor WAY DOWN. If I can get it below 12 or 13 amps, I will live with that. I was willing to "live" with 17. 12 amps x 24 volts is a machine that operates on 288 watts. Thats less than the output of TWO coils. I can live with that. It's also WAY LESS than the input I "claimed" was needed to run the machine. If you remember, I said 380-400 watts. So I'm happy.

[BroMikey]

The rotor has twelve 1" x 1/2" thick neos on it. (Actually twelve on EACH side of the rotor) There are 12 coils. Each coil is made of 12 strands of #23, each strand 253 feet long. Four strands are connected in series (Three groups of four) so three parallel strands come off the coil. Right now the machine is only drawing 156 watts, but I DOUBT it will speed up under load, so probably not much output to speak of. He will be lucky to run two coils, and the RPM running on 11.5 volts won't be much.

now I understand so much more. Before you had a hockey puck magnet machinesthat you were successful with having a loooog duty cycle meaning the time it took for a 2" disk to past over a 1" core. Also I believe the opposing magnets were easier to adjust for optimum. Now that you have this new beauty with a much heavier construction it stands to reason it would take a little more to operate. Operator costs are the costs power companies have written on our bill coming in the mail. This cost is only a few percent. Or we might say operator costs are the amount of input needed to rotate the rotor.

12 magnets that are 1/4th the area of the 2" disks might require more accurate tuning on the fly of counter magnets. But you had it down to 12amps with all the coils? I wonder. Or even 14amps. Those motors are very powerful and I won't even guess how much it should draw with all of the coils in place without the counter magnets. I we knew a relationship or comparison could be made from the old design before opposition magnets are introduced. Just trying to get you to remember those old numbers.

It is my understanding to 12 magnets tuning is more complicated than 5 magnet rotor tuning on the counter
In my experiments shielding is required to get perfection. As we all know cores are not magnets and when they see the powerful attraction of a rotor magnet they pull together, lets say from 1" away very strongly. However on the opposite side the rotor magnet and counter magnet are seeing each other from 2" away

This condition will cause imbalance as you are aware of. So what you have done is to use small counter magnets, adjusting them on the fly. This means that you are trading off peripheral field with TDC strength to get repulsion equilibrium. That rotor is awesome.

[Turion]

The rotor has twelve 1" x 1/2" thick neos on it. (Actually twelve on EACH side of the rotor) There are 12 coils. Each coil is made of 12 strands of #23, each strand 253 feet long. Four strands are connected in series (Three groups of four) so three parallel strands come off the coil. Right now the machine is only drawing 156 watts, but I DOUBT it will speed up under load, so probably not much output to speak of. He will be lucky to run two coils, and the RPM running on 11.5 volts won't be much.

[BroMikey]

Just an update. Spoke to Greyland. He was in the shop working last night. He has the generator running on 11.5 volts at 12 amps right now. Will probably test tonight to see if it will speed up under load. It's possible, but I DOUBT it will at that voltage because of the speed. I doubt it is going fast enough. But he has to start somewhere. Will keep you all informed.

Oh yeah David Bowling, good to hear the news about Greyland feeling better and back working his heart out on these awesome extra energy project. All that needs to be done is to show 10watts output higher than the input. This will shatter all of the old science.

I have been noticing Thanes charge controller and how important conversion is in the end. I can see why you are using dc motors now. That generator Greyland is testing is the 5 magnet pole? Or is the 10 magnet poles?

[Turion]

Just an update. Spoke to Greyland. He was in the shop working last night. He has the generator running on 11.5 volts at 12 amps right now. Will probably test tonight to see if it will speed up under load. It's possible, but I DOUBT it will at that voltage because of the speed. I doubt it is going fast enough. But he has to start somewhere. Will keep you all informed.

[BroMikey]

Still stuck in the stone age guys.

[bistander]

Actually you can not charge and discharge the battery simultaneously. ...

Thank you dragon. Seems obvious. Easy to confirm in the literature or on the bench.

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[BroMikey]

Hi Dragon good explanation I agree except for the RegenX bifilar generators, I have them here and they are simple, clean and far beyond present tech. Magic? Donno we can leave that to the peeps running around for free.

[dragon]

Actually you can not charge and discharge the battery simultaneously. When you start the car the alternator charges the battery while all other loads are drawing power from the alternator, the battery at this point is simply another load in the overall circuit. You can remove the battery because your powering the alternator with and external source of energy. If the charging ( or alternator output ) is lower than the load requirements then the output is shared between the battery and alternator output. For instance a 200 watt load with a 100 watt output of the alternator - the alternator would supply 100 watts and a watt meter would show a 100 watt drain on the battery. If the output of the alternator was 200 watts and you had a 100 watt load then the battery would be charged with 100 watts while the load dissipated 100 watts. There really isn't any "magic" going on there nor in Thanes machines...

[BroMikey]

Again as per usual your comments are bias and insulting. Ignorance is no excuse for the laws presented. Name calling, very poor taste just as yucky as they come. Please refrain from such speech. If you have something intelligent you may enter a comment.

Cars charge the battery at the same time they are being discharged. The head lights drain the battery and the alternator puts the power back into the battery as needed. In the old days I have removed my battery once the car was started and the system works without a battery, same same happening here.

Again this lack of basic knowledge shows complete ignorance on your part of common systems in use today. Yet you claim preeminence concerning higher learning in energy systems. A back yard mechanic can see right thru.

These demo's are easy to understand. The only complication left is to engage a number of engineers to fit the devices into one package.

[bistander]

...Always remember that Thane is an engineering genius, way out in front of the pack.

Thane is an idiot. If he was right in what he claims and says at the end of that video that the electric scooter can run forever without charging, why doesn't he prove it by just not turning it off. Just leave it run, and run, and run. For hours, days, weeks, and more. He can't because it doesn't remotely function as he claims. He is full of BS.

You can't charge and discharge a battery simultaneously. And you can't charge a battery at lower potential than it is at open circuit.

bi

[BroMikey]

Do you know how to use a battery? How to discharge a battery? How to charge a battery?

How can you charge a battery with a current through the battery which is in the same direction as when it was discharged?

How can you charge a battery when its terminal voltage is lower than its open circuit voltage?

bi

I don't have time to skill you in the art so to short form the answer look at an automobile and the way it draws power from the battery and the alternator charges the battery at the same time. Feel free to ask any question but remember that you or I do not know everything. If you stay open something new can enter your thought process.

Also note that on the Ebike there is a charge controller. It is located where the gas tank normally is but this is an electric bike. The ReGenX coils probably produce anywhere from 100vac-300vac depending on RPM with each coil producing around 2 amps max in this setting. In previous video's the coils actually have a substantially high max amp rating. 5 amp max but heating up.

Many charge controller are available in electric car systems. As a simplified for instance coils must be designed to produce 20-30vac in a car alternator depending on the RPM of the car's gas engine in order to regulate down to 13.8vdc after including rectification. These systems are not as simple as Thane may make them look. Always remember that Thane is an engineering genius, way out in front of the pack.

[bistander]

If you listened at one point he says the voltage is also 74vdc which was during normal operation or conventional discharging. So I am not sure why that is a problem. If you have a technical question that I can understand I will do my best to answer it. What is the question?
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Do you know how to use a battery? How to discharge a battery? How to charge a battery?

How can you charge a battery with a current through the battery which is in the same direction as when it was discharged?

How can you charge a battery when its terminal voltage is lower than its open circuit voltage?

bi

[BroMikey]

It is such a simple idea. The ebike motor out of the factory delivers 5 amps at 75vdc (approx)

The ReGenX rotor (Approx 14" dia) with 1" magnets (approx 20) at 1/2" thick pressed into holder sleeves which are press fit/ epoxied. Probably sleeves are spot welded to rotor then mic-ed- then pressed . Next is 3 C Core coils that gently assist the back wheel which in turn slightly eases battery consumption while delivering 5.34 amps back to the battery at the said voltage. Unlimited range is so simple.

If you see what I see then you would know.