ReGenX Coils and ReGenXtra switching

[Turion]

We aren't arguing with what shielding does to the field. We understand that.

As to the rotor on my big machine, listen to the first TEN SECONDS of the video YOU posted in post 372. That will tell you. And if you watch that same video you will see than my 1" magnets have just a bit more than 1" space between them, not 2".

[BroMikey]

bro,
The fuss isn't about the fact that the magnetic field makes it go faster. The fuss is about the fact that all the shielding of the magnets you are doing PROBABLY isn't necessary because something GOOD is happening with the unshielded magnets

Oh I see, so perfecting cancellation is not needed? Humm....?

Let me point out gentlemen that your rotors may slip thru the cracks so to speak because your 1" magnets have 2" spaces between them. The truth is shielding does not subtract any field energy only redirect the energy where needed so as to remove conflicts. Still don't know which rotor in that machine. Hard to judge when the facts are dismal. I am sure it works, not the point of shielding adjustment control.

The shields push the field more out front inside of letting it go wherever.

[Turion]

bro,
The fuss isn't about the fact that the magnetic field makes it go faster. The fuss is about the fact that all the shielding of the magnets you are doing PROBABLY isn't necessary because something GOOD is happening with the unshielded magnets on both alexelectric's machine and mine. The rotor on the machine in the video and currently on my machine is the rotor with the magnets out at the rim also. But it is a THICKER rotor.
Any rotors on a machine with 12 coils has 12 generator magnets on each side. It also has 12 opposition magnets on each side.
Any rotors for a 10 coil machine only needs 12 magnets on each side.

I don't know if I mentioned this, but Greyland reduced the air gap between the rotor and the coils on the machine, and the opposition magnets were no longer able to neutralize the attraction of the rotor magnets to the iron cores of the coils, so he had to move the coil holders back to their original positions. On the final build, we will move them in again to as close as possible, since the gains in output are exponential when you do that, and use thicker opposition magnets, which will give us a stronger repulsion field.

bi,
Those numbers were for my original big machine. I replaced the rotor on that machine with a thicker rotor for a couple reasons. The first reason is that the plastic I was using was 1/2" thick, and when Greyoland drilled holes on each side of the rotor for 1/4" magnets to go in, but left a bit of plastic in between the holes so the magnets would be attracted to each other THROUGH the plastic, the magnets stuck out just a bit on both sides of the rotor. At the time, I didn't think anything of it. The day Peter Lindemann came to see me, I had a rotor magnet that was sticking out hit something at 2800 rpm and the rotor exploded. So changes were required. AND, a thicker rotor doesn't flex as much, so closer tolerances are possible. Because I was going to a thicker rotor ANYWAY, to make sure the magnets would be flush with the rotor surface, I decided to go with thicker magnets (24 1/2' thick magnets instead of 24 1/4" thick magnets, the amp draw went up, so the required input went up. But then again, so SHOULD the output.

So the numbers won't be the same with the machine I have NOW. I haven't measured total output on this machine yet, but I know two coils in series at 2800 rpm were blowing up 300 watt light bulbs, so that's a good sign.

bi, the only reason you have had to wait so long is because you haven't replicated. Easily solved! BroMikey and alexelectric are both seeing everything I have said is possible.

[BroMikey]

Not sure which rotor it has can't see inside.

[BroMikey]

24 magnet rotor also

[BroMikey]

Okay I got is now. Why all the fuss about why it goes faster? No attraction and the repulsion field has to go somewhere. We don't need to write a book on why. No attraction, only repulsion and the repulsion field is energy that must go somewhere so it follows the rotation. This is why people put magnets on the outside ot their factory PMM's. They have been doing that for decades. You add more field energy and it follows the path of least resistance. Come on guys, think

[BroMikey]

48 magnets rotor I mean 24 magnet rotor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qP8...ature=youtu.be

[BroMikey]

Turion's new rotor

[bistander]

... It's also WAY LESS than the input I "claimed" was needed to run the machine. If you remember, I said 380-400 watts. So I'm happy.

Hi Turion,

Your claim was:

Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. ...

posted on 05-24-2018, 08:55 PM by Turion on the
Open discussion for projects on this forum
thread.

Proof please

Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. ...

Please show us proof of this simple claim:

Input power = 240 watts

Output power = 1800 watts

Simultaneously measured, real power, DC amps * DC volts or AC watts.

Been waiting a long time to see this.

Thanks,

bi

[Turion]

12 magnets on EACH SIDE OF THE ROTOR. That is the way I have been building for years now. The rotor magnets are in pairs. A magnet, a thin piece of the rotor plastic, and then a second magnet. The magnets attract each other through the thin piece of plastic so once you put them IN the rotor, they aren't going to come out. I have talked about this dozens of times in the videos I have made.

"Mr. BroMikey was scared" referred to the fact that when you commented on the video you were worried about how the machine was speeding up like crazy.

[BroMikey]

Mr. BroMikey was scared?

So now we are talking about the 24 magnet design. That is very important to note
I doubt anyone can explain this. But this is why we experiment, I'll try to find a picture of the right rotor we are discussing, this will help to focus on what reaction is taking place. 12 magnets or 24 magnets will be significantly different.

Greetings to all
Greetings Mr. Dave
Today, I am going to comment diligently, express my experience, all with respect, and I encourage you to continue building, if the debate happens, that it be positive, the dialog and the repetitive debate helps us to advance.

According to your comment:


You comment that there is a magnetic aid in the rotation, it is true, and very true, and this effect I had already mentioned, in the previous comments.

He comments that there is nobody with a construction of his generator, I remember again, If I built a simple replica, why I have not built the
of the largest rotor, 12 coils 24 magnets, is because I am first checking concepts, since I pass this first stage I will continue with another construction.

With the construction that I have made of the simple replica, it is enough for me to do the tests for now.

In the magnetic suppression if there is an extra help to the motor rotation, I have already commented on it, previously I will look for the links, and I commented on why it is important to add the effects that are being found in these tests, and leave a record of the contributor.

All these advances I have discovered thanks to your project Mr. Dave, your server and admirer for your perseverance, capacity, and your ingenuity to build prototypes that help us to generate energy. And you are also a great home builder as you have shown us in your videos.

Your comment:
there is actually some kind of magnetic assist to rotation. I don't know WHY, but that's the way it appears. Since nobody has replicated my machine there is no one but Greyland and I to SEE that or try to understand it, but that's ok.

It is clear why there is an extra help to the rotor with the magnets of the magnetic suppression drive, I will explain it again, when the suppressor magnets are in the position of their maximum repulsion aligned NN the repulsion is strong (already known condition, law of the poles) that gives an additional impulse to the rotation of the rotor, which helps to overcome the drag core-coil of the generator magnet, all good, there it and I have previously commented, inertia, repulsion give that impulse, inertia because it has to return to the point of entry of the magnetic stop of the NN magnets, well we do not give impulse to the rotor just that it passes a stop and that magnet repulse the return to the place where the magnetic stop must start it will stop it, nor the attraction of The core of the coil will not be enough to overcome this magnetic stop, now we give more momentum to the rotor than the magnetic stop will overcome and being in the NN position of repulsion will give an extra impulse to the rotation of the rotor, here we have that the repulsion of magnets, not only helps to eliminate magnet-core magnetic drag.

When the rotor is going to stop, it is between the suppressor magnets, with a pendulum swing, and it is because the rotor is between the pair of anterior magnets and the pair of posterior magnets, the rotor is not stopped at the core of the coil and its generator magnet, of course not, and if so, the repulsion is not working.

In the video where Mr. Greyland shows the rotation of the motor, where the coils are not installed, and rotates the generator with the motor, a high speed was observed that increased, which Mr. BroMikey was scared, when I saw That effect, comment that there was a magnetic motor, supported by a motor, which is in the rotor and stator, pure magnets in repulsion.

So from what I just discussed, the repulsion of the N-N magnets gives an extra boost to the rotor, is to say the repulsion not only suppresses the magnetic drag, but also gives an additional boost to the rotor. It is clear that N-N repulsion is the effect that gives us more momentum.

I have wondered well and if I put on a disk of repulsive magnets, would there be more impulse? We would already be building a hybrid, generator motor with support magnets to achieve more spin.

In the adjustment of the suppressor magnets, it must be very precise and not easy, as all the tests that Mr. Dave has shared have shown, if you leave something weak the adjustment of the magnets in the repulsion between magnets could not beat the core, the rotor will park or stop at the core, now if you bring the magnets closer for greater repulsion, you will have the problem of breaking or exceeding the magnetic stop between magnets, you have to make the optimal magnetic adjustment, all this I experience, If I am with a simple replica of the generated, it is a lot of work, improving the projects, also see the prototypes and examples of BroMikey, how much work and effort they dedicate to their projects.

In summary the N-N repulsion of the magnets gives the extra to the rotation of the rotor, this is the explanation, the forces that interact in repulsion.


Thanks to all who share and learn from them, thank you Mr. Dave, Thank you Mr. BroMikey, and the others who contribute their experience in this forum.

[Turion]

I finished my downstairs renovation at the old house yesterday, and took the day today to work on getting my shop and storage shed in some kind of order. Stuff has just been hauled down to my workbenches and piled a foot high for several weeks now. Once I clear some space I will be working on getting the 6-5 version of the generator back together. I still have lots to do over at the old house, but the pressure is off a bit, so I can work on some things here at the same time without upsetting my sweetie. That means the generator, and testing the ferrite cores I have been wanting to test.

Alex,
We're seeing the same thing. The rotation of the rotor with the weight of 24 magnets on it out at the rim gives you some "flywheel" effect or action that partially negates the repulsion of the two magnets (rotor magnet and repulsion magnet) when they are coming into alignment and don't WANT to. Once they hit TDC and move slightly beyond, the repulsion effect actually gives some "motor" action as it pushes the rotor magnet away. Because the flywheel effect partially negated the repulsion on the front side, you get a gain on the repulsion on the back side. These two SHOULD have been equal, but the flywheel effect gives you the gain. You may not believe it. Your conditioning may discount it. But I know what we are seeing on the BENCH. And that is way more important than theory or what you were taught in school. Man couldn't fly. The math proved it. Until the Wright brothers did it. The BENCH is the final proof. That's why you HAVE TO BUILD this stuff instead off sitting on your butt spouting textbook crap and worn out theories. I am going to be putting my 6-5 machine black together with ferrite cores in the coils to test them for speed up under load. Once I have done that, I will be contacting Greyland to build a new 6-6 machine for the conference that addresses all the issues we have seen and takes advantage of all we have learned.

Stay tuned.

[alexelectric]

Turion

You are CORRECT that the magnets attract steel differently than they repel other magnets. But what I am seeing, and what has already been discussed here (alexelectric post 326) is that there is a MAGNETIC assist of some kind going on with these "opposition magnets". It's almost like some half-assed "permanent magnet motor." If you remember, it was freaking Greyland OUT in one of the videos because the motor seemed to be a "runaway" so he refused to operate the machine without some of the coils in it because without them, it was going much faster than it should have for the voltage and amperage he was running it at.

That's correct there is an explanation (alexelectric post 326).

It has an N magnet rotor, facing an N magnet stator as if it were a magnet motor supported by its spin by the DC motor.

So simple that when I saw the configuration it was clear to me the repulsion motor and the CD motor.

In addition to the feature being used for neutralizing magnetic drag, it could be used for other projects.

We are following your progress, Mr. Dave.

[BroMikey]

RUNAWAY ROTOR

So why is that?

I thought you meant SMALL like a hockey puck. Yeah, those first rotors were a bit scary because the magnets could come out. ....... No worries about the magnets coming out at all. Especially if you epoxy the back of them to that thin piece of plastic

You have had more time to think about why than I have. So why do you think it is so free floating? You mean like a magnetic bearing?

[Turion]

I thought you meant SMALL like a hockey puck. Yeah, those first rotors were a bit scary because the magnets could come out. But if you put TWO of them together with a thin piece of plastic between that the magnets can attract to each other through, they work GREAT. No worries about the magnets coming out at all. Especially if you epoxy the back of them to that thin piece of plastic