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  • Turion
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    bi

    That the amp draw increased with the larger rotor is an observable FACT. You can argue theory all day long, but the amp draw still went up, which is what I said would happen. Period. I was right. What does that make you? I'll give you a clue...WRONG.


    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    I can do this all day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfYie-NRL2Q
    Last edited by Turion; 05-16-2020, 04:24 AM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... And that Newtons law was not applicable to the REAL WORLD. ...
    This statement from you says to me that you think you know more about the physics of motion than Newton. You've made similar similar statements before.

    I'm certain that Newton formulated his laws to apply to the real world. And they do. You do not have the option to apply or reject law to your liking. It's there. You don't understand it and choose to deny it. You'd benefit from learning and using fundamentals such as Newton's Laws of Motion to your advantage.

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    Newtons law was not applicable to the REAL WORLD. But you weren't having any of that at the time. But NOW it's your excuse for being wrong? Talk about TWO FACED. Wait, if you're the JOKER and TWO FACE, that must mean I'm Batman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOVwy4b6kI
    About 2+ amps for the new rotor, just the rotor, each additional coils adds 1.5 extra amp X 10 coils

    I like your post above. Newton is talking about an object out in space near the edge of the galaxy where little gravity can pull on a solid mass. No heat, no light but even then space materials floating around in it that will cause friction. Newton's law is metaphysical not practical just like math equations. Or theoretical mumbo gumbo
    And the people put in their $1 to see the movie to ooh and aah, Newton is our hero.

    Pop 2 coils on that thing. I'll bet it jumps up 3 amps everytime. Happy Quikcrete SEE-Ment Man
    Better hurry the sun is going to be blazing hot.

    Last edited by BroMikey; 05-15-2020, 11:02 PM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Increased mass, (WEIGHT) causes increased FRICTION on the bearings, which is one of the FUNDAMENTAL unbalanced forces. Are you denying that the amp draw on the motor increase with the larger rotor in the video? Are you? ARE YOU? There are two choices. Either I FAKED the video, or I am correct. Which is it?

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    That the amp draw increased with the larger rotor is an observable FACT. You can argue theory all day long, but the amp draw still went up, which is what I said would happen. Period. I was right. What does that make you?
    All I am saying, and have ever said on the subject, is in total agreement with Newton's Law, that, when moving at a constant speed, any difference in power is NOT due to a difference in mass.

    bi
    Last edited by bistander; 05-15-2020, 09:14 PM. Reason: Forgot bi

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  • Turion
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    Increased mass, (WEIGHT) causes increased FRICTION on the bearings, which is one of the FUNDAMENTAL unbalanced forces. Are you denying that the amp draw on the motor increase with the larger rotor in the video? Are you? ARE YOU? There are two choices. Either I FAKED the video, or I am correct. Which is it?

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    That the amp draw increased with the larger rotor is an observable FACT. You can argue theory all day long, but the amp draw still went up, which is what I said would happen. Period. I was right. What does that make you?
    Last edited by Turion; 05-15-2020, 08:58 PM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    And they prove you were WRONG

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    The kicker is, that your statement: "Pretty much all they show are a lot of unbalanced forces." Which is referring to the videos is exactly why I am right and YOU are wrong. I never said there were NO unbalanced forces. I said the amp draw of the larger, heavier rotor was greater. YOU are the one who insisted that Newton's law proves I'm wrong, and now you are attempting to use that same law to justify being incorrect? You are an absolute JOKE! As if somehow the unbalanced forces are responsible for the increased amp draw? Well of COURSE they are!!! That was the whole point I attempted to make from the beginning of this argument when I said friction in the bearings and other things YOU WEREN'T taking into consideration came into play here and were responsible for the increased amp draw. And that Newtons law was not applicable to the REAL WORLD. But you weren't having any of that at the time. But NOW it's your excuse for being wrong? Talk about TWO FACED. Wait, if you're the JOKER and TWO FACE, that must mean I'm Batman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOVwy4b6kI

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... For the LAST time, increased weight of the rotor is an increase in resistance to turning or increased LOAD on the motor. ...
    From the start of this you infer (IMO) that increased mass is responsible for increased current (increased power in the prime mover). And I, and Newton, clearly state application to mass only for the law. You repeatedly claimed this. It is unbelievable that you can deny the meaning in the post I quote above.
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    ​​​​​Newton states it in his law and I clarify it in my first reply quoted below in the third paragraph. Unbalanced forces are considered. Newton goes on to cover those in his second and third laws.

    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Hi Turion,
    You've said this before and I have pointed out that it is wrong. The power, and therefore the motor current, required to turn the rotor at a constant speed is independent of the rotor mass. This is stated in Newton's first law of motion, paraphrased here.

    An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and direction unless acted upon by an external force.

    External forces would include friction, aerodynamic drag and magnetics. Or since it is not actually the same motor, the difference in current may be due to a difference in the motor compared to the one used earlier.

    Regards,
    bi
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  • Turion
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    And they prove you were WRONG

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    The kicker is, that your statement: "Pretty much all they show are a lot of unbalanced forces." Which is referring to the videos is exactly why I am right and YOU are wrong. I never said there were NO unbalanced forces. I said the amp draw of the larger, heavier rotor was greater. YOU are the one who insisted that Newton's law proves I'm wrong, and now you are attempting to use that same law to justify being incorrect? You are an absolute JOKE! As if somehow the unbalanced forces are responsible for the increased amp draw? Well of COURSE they are!!! That was the whole point I attempted to make from the beginning of this argument when I said friction in the bearings and other things YOU WEREN'T taking into consideration came into play here and were responsible for the increased amp draw. And that Newtons law was not applicable to the REAL WORLD. But you weren't having any of that at the time. But NOW it's your excuse for being wrong? Talk about TWO FACED. Wait, if you're the JOKER and TWO FACE, that must mean I'm Batman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOVwy4b6kI

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  • Turion
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    oops123456
    Last edited by Turion; 05-15-2020, 05:23 PM.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    Never said he was wrong. ...
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... For the LAST time, increased weight of the rotor is an increase in resistance to turning or increased LOAD on the motor. ...
    Are you kidding me?

    As far as those two videos are concerned, I thought I did comment. Pretty much all they show are a lot of unbalanced forces.

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Lapping it up like good little doggies, monkeying around with your tiny minds

    Freud is another dozy.

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  • BroMikey
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    Just isn't possible to take out all heat, light, sound, gravity and maybe even a ghost or two.

    These show who the front men really are. Have another yo yo.

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  • Turion
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    Never said he was wrong. In fact I agree with him. Which I have already stated. I just don’t agree with YOU because you don’t know crap and have NO idea how to apply what Newton said. AND You’re still avoiding the videos.

    So, I made a statement or “claim” if you will. You challenged it and I proved you wrong with my videos. You’ve had plenty of chances to comment on the videos yet you avoid them like the plague because they show you for what you are. This is why you will NEVER be given proof that my generator works. Proof? You can’t handle the proof. You’ve just proved THAT to everyone here.

    bi is WRONG

    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    “We” are right? You put yourself on the same level as Newton? How humble of you. First of all, I never said Newton is wrong. I just showed, with two videos that the weight of the rotor CAN cause an increased amp draw in the motor just like I said it could. That doesn’t violate what Newton said because his law is a theoretical explanation of what would happen if it were possible for a rotor to spin with no outside forces, including friction, present. That isn’t possible in the real world but that doesn’t mean his theory is incorrect. YOU, on the other hand, believe that you know MORE than Newton because you believe his theory applies to my rotor. LOL. You don’t address the videos because they show you don’t even understand HOW to apply Newton’s laws.

    see them here:

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ...First of all, I never said Newton is wrong. ...
    Sure seems like it with your statement which I quote below.

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... For the LAST time, increased weight of the rotor is an increase in resistance to turning or increased LOAD on the motor. ...

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  • Turion
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    “We” are right? You put yourself on the same level as Newton? How humble of you. First of all, I never said Newton is wrong. I just showed, with two videos that the weight of the rotor CAN cause an increased amp draw in the motor just like I said it could. That doesn’t violate what Newton said because his law is a theoretical explanation of what would happen if it were possible for a rotor to spin with no outside forces, including friction, present. That isn’t possible in the real world but that doesn’t mean his theory is incorrect. YOU, on the other hand, believe that you know MORE than Newton because you believe his theory applies to my rotor. LOL. You don’t address the videos because they show you don’t even understand HOW to apply Newton’s laws.

    see them here:

    bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    WRONG AGAIN bi.
    This whole discussion began with THIS quote:

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    ... I know you’ve gone through life being given everything you want, ...
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    Practically everything that you "know" and post here is erroneous or a falsehood. Just like your statement quoted above. Or a while back when you told me that you knew more about the physics of motion than Issac Newton.

    bi
    This is where you LIED and said I "TOLD YOU" I know more about physics than Isaac Newton. When I denied ever having said that, you attempted to bring up my original statement about a heavier rotor drawing more amps, which in your convoluted way of thinking was some kind of justification for LYING about what I said. You claim a heavier rotor does NOT use more amps. I have SEEN that it does. To back up my statement that a heavier rotor DOEAS INDEED draw more amps, I posted the following two videos:

    Proving bi is WRONG
    https://youtu.be/LFlnhVQLWPk
    https://youtu.be/RvB3arCUPNg

    They show once again that it is YOU who does not know what he is talking about.
    Videos to which you have FAILED TO RESPOND. And you continue to attempt to AVOID the videos and change the subject. But every time you post here I am going to bring them up until you address the fact that you were WRONG. As I said. You better get used to being wrong. LOL
    You're again telling the world that you know better than Issac Newton about the physics of motion with your little rotor experience. I don't care if you call me a liar. I know I haven't lied. And I know that I agree with Newton and we are right.

    You're so worked up about it, did you consider consulting an impartial physics expert, like a professor?

    bi

    Bi the way, I inserted your quote of the post I was replying to with the quote you used. What I said was no more a lie than what you said.
    Last edited by bistander; 05-15-2020, 04:48 AM. Reason: Added quotes and BTW

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