ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ernst]

So you don't think Aaron and Eric have mental problems like
Keshe huh? Isn't that special.

Like I said about typo's (Cited) and some taking advantage? You don't
listen very well either. But you go ahead and send us your proofs
so we can see your side of this more.

You are such a smart man. You think.

Normally I won't point out typo's, but in this case.... It is just too funny!
Everyone has mental issues, bro', and so do I. Nobody is perfect. But in Keshe's case it is quite serious. Aaron and Eric, and even you are better of. I'm sure!

Now, come on, lil'bro'!
Get your act together and show us your videos!
Don't be shy!
You're so quick to ask this from others, now, how about you?
(please don't refer to videos done by others, such as Gerard Morin! Show us YOURS.)
I bet you still have to make your first.


Ernst.

[Ufopolitics]

@UFO,

If you wouldn't mind, could you please post a bit more about this phenomena. I'd like to try a few experiments with it based on the Daly device since it's a perfect test fixture for this application.

Thanks much.[/LEFT]

Hello Dog-One,

There is actually not much to explain about my previous statement...it is just the same effect of electrifying a Coil (with a typical iron core) and observing a magnetization on the ends, except the way I see it all now through Ken's Theory about the dielectric counterspatial field generating the polarized magnetic fields.

The great deal by being able to see it all differently based on this Theory...is that many possibilities come to your mind, as you keep understanding it...and the number of satisfied/positive results from the many "what if's..." whenever you run any type of verification tests is very, but I mean very rewarding...so you keep adding more and more what if's...and is great friend...

I have a lot to share here, a lot of new and very different kind of testing to then build...build and keep building as you will see things never expected.

Unfortunately, I must keep the thread line in order of development, so whenever a newcomer starts reading see the development perfectly aligned.

What I wrote on that post...is just the tip of the iceberg...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Dog-One]

An Electromagnet Dielectric is just a temporary ether aperture/gate that depends upon the signal type and length of feeding time...then is closed back into counterspace once coil is turned off...as magnetic field is also gone.

..And Ken Wheeler has a full explanation and more details about its differences on his free book..

@UFO,

If you wouldn't mind, could you please post a bit more about this phenomena. I'd like to try a few experiments with it based on the Daly device since it's a perfect test fixture for this application.

Thanks much.

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,



You appear to be asking me for a test method to prove or disprove the existence of what you and Ken call the dielectric inertial plane which you say is located, among other places, in the middle of the magnet. I do not think I am qualified to do so. Among other reasons, I do not know what a dielectric inertial plane is, where it comes from, what it does, or how it interacts with the rest of the world. From listening to you and Ken, it pretty much mimics the magnetic field. Therefore finding it in the magnet without being influenced by the magnetic field might be impossible. Like I said, I do not see anything in your experiment which cannot be attributed to the magnetic induction.

I recall you telling someone that the permanent magnet is different than the electromagnet because there is no dielectric inertial plane in the electromagnet. If this is true, then it may be possible to devise an experiment using a tight magnetic circuit with exchangeable mmf source; a permanent magnet (PM) and an electromagnet (EM). Be able to use one or the other, PM or EM, with the rest of the magnetic path remaining the same. Verify the both PM and EM have the same area and flux density. Then excite or disturb the magnetic circuit in such a way as to influence your dielectric inertial plane and see if there is a difference between the two cases.

That is the best I can come up with at the moment.

Regards,

bi

Thanks Bistander,

You misunderstood me, sorry it is my "Third World Country English"...

What I meant for your suggestion was only referring to the comparative testing of the Faraday Induction test versus Mine (since you objected about the speed differences while I was moving coil with my hands on video)...Now mine is what it is, the dielectric displacement is shown there as well as the charges out...so, means I will not change my end.

So, your requested "suggestions" were to adapt the suitable conditions in order that Faraday tests exhibits almost identical parameters as mine ...

Keep reading in that post lower sections and you will see.

I recall you telling someone that the permanent magnet is different than the electromagnet because there is no dielectric inertial plane in the electromagnet.

If I ever wrote that electromagnets do not have a dielectric field...I was either distracted or just made a mistake...the dielectric field/plane just can not be clearly observed under viewing film like with a magnet...I have not tried looking at it with others methods like Ferrocells or CRT Equipment.

An Electromagnet Dielectric is just a temporary ether aperture/gate that depends upon the signal type and length of feeding time...then is closed back into counterspace once coil is turned off...as magnetic field is also gone.

..And Ken Wheeler has a full explanation and more details about its differences on his free book..

From listening to you and Ken, it pretty much mimics the magnetic field. Therefore finding it in the magnet without being influenced by the magnetic field might be impossible.

A magnet's Dielectric Field exist in Counterspace, and when it enters into the Spatial Plane (Space)(due to electrification, magnetization or whatever methods) just becomes the polarized ends or the magnet's poles...

Actually what we are seeing through viewing film is just the mutation/conversion/transfer 3D plane "exchanges" from dielectric field in counterspace to spatially polarized fields (Centrifugal)...as well as returning spatial polarizations back to counterspace (Centripetal)..

So far I don't think there could be an actual equipment or method(s) to be able to see counterspace while we are all here in this Space-Dimension.

So, it could be understood that whenever we move the dielectric, we move both polarized fields (N-S) as well through any ferromagnetic mass (the magnet).


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Free Energy

I am sorry Bistander...but I don't believe you.

If You would be -FOR REAL- doing what you claim (underlined) above, You will be participating in all this projects, by seriously building, testing and showing, replicating and showing, objecting, but showing YOUR Counter-Proof, etc,etc...BUT Instead, you just enter to seat down in front of your PC to criticize, to deny, to set the doubt, to ask captious questions trying to set in the ridicule, or to prove "the guy don't know what he is talking about"...right?...and that extends to whoever is defending this fields of Free Energy...

While we, on this end are working very hard to present Visual evidence, construction, replications, images, some real testing where very easily could -AT LEAST- be granted The Benefit of the Doubt...but NOPE, you have never done that, in all your posts above, even that positive simple action of leaving it as just a "possibility" towards Renewable Energy Fields...

Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

This morning I attended a breakfast to recognize volunteers at a local county agency. I had participated with a team of 3 to implement an alternative energy system for one of their programs. In doing that, we were able to find a way to enable Free Energy. It was not some magnetic generator or complex contraption. It was system efficiency improvement which eliminated energy waste. Every kilowatt hour not wasted is a kilowatt hour which they do not need to buy but can use elsewhere. Isn't that a free kilowatt hour of energy?

So don't tell me that I never do anything in the fields of renewable energy or free energy. This was far from the first project of this kind for me. I suspect there is a good chance that I am responsible for more free energy than you will ever be.

Good luck and keep trying,

bi

[bistander]

How to test

Hi Ufo,

Do you have any other testing suggestion(s).......

You appear to be asking me for a test method to prove or disprove the existence of what you and Ken call the dielectric inertial plane which you say is located, among other places, in the middle of the magnet. I do not think I am qualified to do so. Among other reasons, I do not know what a dielectric inertial plane is, where it comes from, what it does, or how it interacts with the rest of the world. From listening to you and Ken, it pretty much mimics the magnetic field. Therefore finding it in the magnet without being influenced by the magnetic field might be impossible. Like I said, I do not see anything in your experiment which cannot be attributed to the magnetic induction.

I recall you telling someone that the permanent magnet is different than the electromagnet because there is no dielectric inertial plane in the electromagnet. If this is true, then it may be possible to devise an experiment using a tight magnetic circuit with exchangeable mmf source; a permanent magnet (PM) and an electromagnet (EM). Be able to use one or the other, PM or EM, with the rest of the magnetic path remaining the same. Verify the both PM and EM have the same area and flux density. Then excite or disturb the magnetic circuit in such a way as to influence your dielectric inertial plane and see if there is a difference between the two cases.

That is the best I can come up with at the moment.

Regards,

bi

[Ernst]

You guys must be joking!
Some of my experiments: here.
My youtube channel: here
My blog: here.
I hope that satisfies your thirst, Aaron and Mikey (go ahead laugh yourself silly), and if not, I will soon show something that WILL change your opinion. I was hoping to be able to show you already, but my experiments were a few months delayed.

This is the video of Jim that I liked. Mostly because what he shows, but also because I can agree with his explanations.
I must admit I am (maybe too) careful to say that I appreciate his work in general, because my opinion is only based on this one video. I remember seeing an interview with, I thought it was, this same man, but in that interview he made many mistakes. I hope I remember it wrong and that this Jim really is a star in this community.

And lil' Mikey... you're so angry at government/big money/.... you name it. You take it out on everyone who can apply 'standard' physics. That is uncalled for. There are many things there, that just are true and useful and have proven themselves over the years. You can not design a car without standard physics, nor an airplane, nor a computer...
Your hatred blinds you and makes you follow anyone who says something else.
Is that intelligent behaviour? Learn to control those emotions and you can be much more successful. BTW. where are the videos from your experiments?
I am not saying that highschool physics is the holy grail, not at all. There are many things wrong there and even more so when you go to University. But that doesn't mean that you must avoid all you have ever learned.

Keshe is not 'in the same boat' as Aaron and Eric. Keshe has serious mental issues and I don't believe Aaron and Eric have.
I do not know Tesla, I wish I did. But I bet I have read more of his work than you (lil'bro) have and I have read it more often.

These men you sited are so far beyond your ridiculous high school philosophy that the average person can't grasp what they are talking about.....

I love that quote! (but I would say "cited")

Aaron, here's for you: Is there anything you would like to discuss with me in this thread?
If so, here I am. I was just assuming that it would be better for this thread not to. I have read your ideas about counterspace, and to me it makes no sense and does not fit in with theories that are here discussed. Ufopolitics already said he will get back on this topic at a later stage. And since he says he has 'full proof', I think I should wait for his views.


Ernst.

[Cornboy 555]

Hey Mr Mikey, you have a knack of hitting the nail on the head, so to speak.

Please keep up your vigilance, as many folks need it.

Warmest Regards Cornboy.

[Ufopolitics]

No Ufo, that would not work. Dropping equal masses from the same height above the magnet where one is iron and the other is non magnetic will not result in equal speeds.

I will start first by simply asking...:

Do you have any other testing suggestion(s) arrangements that will fit your Formulas and demands?

I will take my time and make them.

Also, it is not only the velocity which would need to be matched, but also the flux field in which the coil resides. That would be very difficult to match because the experiment uses a very leaky magnetic circuit. A large portion, like half or more, is air. So the flux is circling back cutting through the coil and is not a constant B field. So it is not only the velocity of the iron piece altering the flux through the coil but also a redistribution of the flux density gradients causing a change of the total flux. In other words, both dΦ and dt change. E = -N * dΦ / dt.

Thanks anyway.

bi

But isn't the bold text above you have written...what we are looking for to obtain an EMF?

Doesn't a "Varying Field [B](or varying flux from B, same thing) over Time" must exist for EMF to be produced?..remember it is dΦB/dt

Doesn't one of the first Faraday's Coil-Magnet induction experiments were based on a hollow coil and a round bar magnet?

Isn't that the prime model shown to kids learning magnetism?

Let's analyze the hollow Coil (weight matched to iron cylinder) dropping to the magnet cylinder from just the known induction parameters.

B

The magnet will attract and accelerate the iron causing a higher speed than the non magnetic mass which depends on only gravity for acceleration.

And you are completely right Bistander...but the difference in speed should not be that much though, since the fall distance/Time is short...and since the pull force in Case 1 (magnet to steel) is known in Lbs... isn't there a way to "compensate v" for the attraction forces like shortening distance and/or adding more weight to falling coil?

Ufopolitics

[Aaron]

results

Why "I'm afraid" of those held in high esteem. You don't want to address me directly -that is fine - but the deeper you look the worst it gets? Conventional understandings that you mention cannot explain the results in his experiments and that is the point, he has experiments that defeat conventional experiments - are you personally doing the experiments on the bench yourself and if so, post your pics, videos, results because so far, we haven't seen anything you've done.

Also, Jim Murray's SERPS technology can light 1500 watts of bulbs on a gas generator and the generator sits there idling. The generator sees no load. You say you liked something he said, but do you really and do you understand what he is talking about? What words are being put in his mouth?

[bistander]

Ferrous?

When ferrous objects fall, the Earth's magnetic field induces counter currents that cause a repelling magnetic field that slow the decent. It's been known for years but it is almost never mentioned. It is very subtle but can be measured and has been in the lab using very small pieces falling in a very controlled environment to compare non-ferrous objects.

Hi Aaron,

This appears to contradict your earlier statement:

Non-Ferrous metal objects fall slower than other objects.

Ferrous or non-Ferrous? And could it be conducting metal which is slowed by induced eddy currents caused by motion in the magnetic field and those induced currents produce a magnetic field themselves which opposes the external field and motion in that field? In which case, it is due to the low resistivity and not the permeability of the material.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Agree, so then what about if I make another coil, same spec's but with a heavier spool with non magnetic weights in order to be balanced identically to the iron cylinder...then drop both from the exact same measured distance in the two different arrangements?

No Ufo, that would not work. Dropping equal masses from the same height above the magnet where one is iron and the other is non magnetic will not result in equal speeds. The magnet will attract and accelerate the iron causing a higher speed than the non magnetic mass which depends on only gravity for acceleration.

Also, it is not only the velocity which would need to be matched, but also the flux field in which the coil resides. That would be very difficult to match because the experiment uses a very leaky magnetic circuit. A large portion, like half or more, is air. So the flux is circling back cutting through the coil and is not a constant B field. So it is not only the velocity of the iron piece altering the flux through the coil but also a redistribution of the flux density gradients causing a change of the total flux. In other words, both dΦ and dt change. E = -N * dΦ / dt.

Thanks anyway.

Agree
Of course I do...

And so anyone around here...all they have to do is visit your Post History...and spend sometime searching JUST for ONE Single post there -where at least ONCE-you accept there could be some "possibility" about ANY Free Energy Device, Magnetic Motor, etc..or whatever that goes beyond or brakes the limits established by Classic Physics...

That simple Bistander.

I am sorry Bistander...but I don't believe you.

If You would be -FOR REAL- doing what you claim (underlined) above, You will be participating in all this projects, by seriously building, testing and showing, replicating and showing, objecting, but showing YOUR Counter-Proof, etc,etc...BUT Instead, you just enter to seat down in front of your PC to criticize, to deny, to set the doubt, to ask captious questions trying to set in the ridicule, or to prove "the guy don't know what he is talking about"...right?...and that extends to whoever is defending this fields of Free Energy...

While we, on this end are working very hard to present Visual evidence, construction, replications, images, some real testing where very easily could -AT LEAST- be granted The Benefit of the Doubt...but NOPE, you have never done that, in all your posts above, even that positive simple action of leaving it as just a "possibility" towards Renewable Energy Fields...

Yes, it is extremely simple to identify all of you guys...it is funny, because Citfta also writes exactly what you have written above...that you both are "looking" to find OU...PLEASE...allow me to ROFL...

I WILL FOR SURE (F WORD) DO IT, However, not holding my breath... absolutely not any hopes, that a single positive comments or "approval" would come from you nor any one of the Conservative Tea Party Members...

You guys do NOT represent a majority...thanks GOD!!...As you are not THE WHOLE WORLD either.

Following that I couldn't care less if ANY of you do or don't open your mind.

Ufopolitics

You don't know me. And what you write about me is off base to say the least. I have a great deal of experience in electric machinery, power conversion and energy storage. A good deal of that was (or is) associated with renewable energy or energy conservation. I am willing to share what I know and help those who will listen.

bi

[Ernst]

I am sorry Bistander...but I don't believe you.

If You would be -FOR REAL- doing what you claim (underlined) above, You will be participating in all this projects, by seriously building, testing and showing, replicating and showing, objecting, but showing YOUR Counter-Proof, etc,etc...BUT Instead, you just enter to seat down in front of your PC to criticize, to deny, to set the doubt, to ask captious questions trying to set in the ridicule, or to prove "the guy don't know what he is talking about"...right?...and that extends to whoever is defending this fields of Free Energy...

While we, on this end are working very hard to present Visual evidence, construction, replications, images, some real testing where very easily could -AT LEAST- be granted The Benefit of the Doubt...but NOPE, you have never done that, in all your posts above, even that positive simple action of leaving it as just a "possibility" towards Renewable Energy Fields...

Yes, it is extremely simple to identify all of you guys...it is funny, because Citfta also writes exactly what you have written above...that you both are "looking" to find OU...PLEASE...allow me to ROFL...

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,


When you move the coil over the magnet by hand: 2.0 Volts.

When you drop the iron onto the magnet: 14.8 Volts.

Difference is approx 7 to 1 ratio.

What is the ratio of speed; moving coil by hand versus dropping iron cylinder? The faster the speed, the greater will be the induced voltage.

Agree, so then what about if I make another coil, same spec's but with a heavier spool with non magnetic weights in order to be balanced identically to the iron cylinder...then drop both from the exact same measured distance in the two different arrangements?

Would that work for you as to at least open your mind towards the fact that the concepts we have so far from Faraday induction are based on the wrong Magnetic Model"?

Please, you do not know my mind. You may think you do, but you do not.

Of course I do...

And so anyone around here...all they have to do is visit your Post History...and spend sometime searching JUST for ONE Single post there -where at least ONCE-you accept there could be some "possibility" about ANY Free Energy Device, Magnetic Motor, etc..or whatever that goes beyond or brakes the limits established by Classic Physics...

That simple Bistander.

Evidence that I would in fact change my mind, or accept some new theory, is the fact that I am here looking. I search for evidence, such as you claim in the title of this thread.

I am sorry Bistander...but I don't believe you.

If You would be -FOR REAL- doing what you claim (underlined) above, You will be participating in all this projects, by seriously building, testing and showing, replicating and showing, objecting, but showing YOUR Counter-Proof, etc,etc...BUT Instead, you just enter to seat down in front of your PC to criticize, to deny, to set the doubt, to ask captious questions trying to set in the ridicule, or to prove "the guy don't know what he is talking about"...right?...and that extends to whoever is defending this fields of Free Energy...

While we, on this end are working very hard to present Visual evidence, construction, replications, images, some real testing where very easily could -AT LEAST- be granted The Benefit of the Doubt...but NOPE, you have never done that, in all your posts above, even that positive simple action of leaving it as just a "possibility" towards Renewable Energy Fields...

Yes, it is extremely simple to identify all of you guys...it is funny, because Citfta also writes exactly what you have written above...that you both are "looking" to find OU...PLEASE...allow me to ROFL...

My questions to you are in hope that your answers will convince me that what you put forth as evidence is creditable. That has not happened yet. I see nothing in your experiment which cannot be explained with conventional theory.

I await the rest of your presentation (parts 2 & 3).

bi

I WILL FOR SURE (F WORD) DO IT, However, not holding my breath... absolutely not any hopes, that a single positive comments or "approval" would come from you nor any one of the Conservative Tea Party Members...

You guys do NOT represent a majority...thanks GOD!!...As you are not THE WHOLE WORLD either.

Following that I couldn't care less if ANY of you do or don't open your mind.


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Induced Voltage

Hi Ufo,

I hope You noticed and compared the difference in output when I move the Coil over magnet...versus when I just dropped the piece of bare iron over the two static main components in Faraday induction.

The difference is huge.

When you move the coil over the magnet by hand: 2.0 Volts.

When you drop the iron onto the magnet: 14.8 Volts.

Difference is approx 7 to 1 ratio.

What is the ratio of speed; moving coil by hand versus dropping iron cylinder? The faster the speed, the greater will be the induced voltage.

Anyways, I know you will not change your mind.

Please, you do not know my mind. You may think you do, but you do not. Evidence that I would in fact change my mind, or accept some new theory, is the fact that I am here looking. I search for evidence, such as you claim in the title of this thread. My questions to you are in hope that your answers will convince me that what you put forth as evidence is creditable. That has not happened yet. I see nothing in your experiment which cannot be explained with conventional theory.

I await the rest of your presentation (parts 2 & 3).

bi