Basic Free Energy Device

[Mario]

Dave, I meant the Bedini SG advanced handbook (nr3), P.Lindemann goes into details about the lenz-less generator stuff, the kromrey generator and the Bedini/Cole G-field generators that originated from that and explains some of the different versions and results.

Also, on this link check pages 10 and 11, especially the animation on page 11 is very interesting. It's probably stuff you know already, but it's one of the few places where the kromrey effect is explained quite well.

Mario

[Turion]

I have no ida what the SG nr3 manual is. LOL. So I guess I don't have one. The coils I am testing are six strands so that I can make some of those changes without rewinding.

Dave

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

I agree with what you're saying. We know that the core can't be a plain piece of iron else it would heat up a lot and result in big losses. Even Bedini said it needs to be laminations. Of course conventionally speaking ferrite, and even better met glass, are the best option, and this material has a very fast magnetic response. BUT, since what we want to achieve is a delay of the lenz brake and actually use it to our advantage by pushing the leaving magnet away, is the fastest material the best in this case?

As you say only trial error with logged data is a scientific way of doing this or it'll take forever.

But to start somewhere, as far as unloaded versus loaded coil voltage, we have some data from guys who were probably the best at this since they've built many! We have some numbers and can also look at what kind of geometries they've used. Do you guys have the SG nr.3 manual?
Also for the coils, I would possibly make them two or three strands, so that one has a few options and can connect them in parallel or series, without having to rewind so many times.

Mario

[Turion]

Mario,
I can't answer your question about ferrite cores vs welding rods, but I should be able to soon. I have a test setup I built just to test coil cores, but have been so busy with my generator I haven't had time to do the testing. My first test will be with Glassmat cores. I was able to obtain enough Glassmat material to build 12 cores for my generator, which has welding rod cores right now. But like I've said before, you build it, and then you start trying things to improve it. I'm doing the single core/coil test to see if it is worth my time replacing all my coils with ones that have glass mat cores. I also intend to test ferrite and #12 shot mixed with acrylic. My test device is powered by a razor scooter motor hooked to a power supply so I can be sure to run it with the same volts and amps (under specific loads) on each core test and measure the output in volts and amps and rpm's. I'll share those results as soon as I get it done. I gotta get ahold of some ferrite, and if anybody has anything else they want me to test (iron powder, or whatever) they could send it my way or let me know where I can order it, and I can give them the results in comparison. This is the kind of thing we need to be doing.

The next step would be to wind the coil with different configurations of wire, lengths, strands, sizes, twisted, iron wire or whatever, so see which produces the most positive output.

If we don't approach this stuff in a scientific manner and start putting together records of testing and keep those records for others to review and base forward progress on, we are going to continue to shoot blanks in the dark and hope to hit a target when we don't even know what the target is. Oh yeah, and some guy three months from now will be shooting at the same target I shot at six months ago, just like I'm shooting at targets many folks in the past have already shot at. We need that data base, and I can't think of a better place to start posting data than on a forum like this. Maybe we start a thread called "Data" and work a deal with the moderators so that it can be subdivided into different sub-topics where information can be posted and where others can go to find it. What say you all?

Dave

[OrthoParameter]

PMH ala Heins

Any experts on the PMH or Thane Heins (actual helpful information) please PM me....

Thanks
Ortho

[OrionLightShip]

Time for Action

First my thanks to Matt and Dave for their self-less dedication to getting information released. I have followed their work for years now and I built Matt's 3BGS pulse motor which had some pretty "unique" qualities.

It's amazing how you can read and follow something like this thread and still miss so much when you get busy with life. After watching Dave's video of his big machine and discussing with him, the possibility of utilizing my design skills and 3D printer that I built; I decided that I should re-read this entire thread start to finish.

Things happen. My ailing elderly mother, work, garden...you know...life happens. So I stayed up and reread every post till the wee hours last night. I had somehow missed the fact that Matt had released the new design for the pulse motor.

Well, I ordered the wire to rewire the razor motor that is sitting and gathering dust in storage, and I can't wait to see what his generator design might be!

After seeing the AngusWangus PMH video I am inspired to try my hand at building a generator. My idea is to combine the PMH concept with Thane Heins device. I won't waste your time telling you how that looks but it makes sense to me and is easily created on my printer and filled with magnetite, iron powder, or steel shot.

The magnetic pulse from the magnets passing over the "horns" are injected into the toroid from which there is no escape. If the BEMF of one coil assists the forward EMF of the other coil and vice versa, then surely something good will come of that....don't know but the core materials have been ordered and I'm making partial hollow quasi-bi-toroids on my printer. Few days and I'll have that completed.

I have made some designs recently for Tom C over on the other forum for the Bedini window motor. I have helped design and print parts for Kone. I bullt my Rostock Max V2 printer from a kit with hundreds of pieces. I also designed and printed the JNL replication of the Bedini motor with regenerative acceleration under load.

When I joined the other forum; I used the name OrthoParameter. I changed my name because I used to be a mouthy know nothing know-it-all with nothing but theories. Now I'm a builder so it only felt appropriate to change my name.

I won't post anymore as Orion, I am Ortho now. I am building. Dave and Matt are the only ones who consistently draw my attention to their work. They already have machines that work. Why on earth would anyone ignore that and blindly follow someone with unproven claims? Get on board! This is going to happen, maybe you have something valuable to contribute. You won't know if you don't build that motor and get involved. If I can do it, anyone can.



Ortho

[Mario]

Hi Dave and all,

I haven't been contributing to this thread as I've been quite busy working on the serps project for the last months, but I've always kind of kept an eye on things here.
With the the serps circuit Barry and I have been able to replicate what was shown on Murray's scope shots, but when measuring the primary side of the transformer things were quite different, also when running a generator as the primary it slowed down. We've tried everything we could think of and we got to a point where without any further info from Murray's and Babcock's side we're stuck. Too bad as we've spent quite a lot of time and money...

Anyway since that project is on hold I've decided to go back to what I was working on before, which is the Kromrey or G-field generator. Glad you guys are working on this.
I had tried various versions over the last fiew years, from that I've learned a lot and I think now I know the basics needed to build this kind of generator.
I'm sure You and Matt are way ahead of me, I just wanted to list a few things, to exchanges notes sort of, maybe you can correct me or tell me your point of view.

The main ingredients are high inductance, high speed and a closed magnetic path.
The high inductance should possibly be achieved with a lot of iron (core), not so much with many copper wire turns, meaning high inductance but as low resistance as possible (more amps). Even Leedskalnin said he'd make more electricity with iron than copper right?

When the output is shorted, the driving motor power should decrease to at least half the power while speeding up. With the correct load the power should about halve.

More magnets on the rotor(s) allow to reach the needed frequency with lower rpms of the motor. But the magnets can not be too close either, else the coil has not enough time to collapse through the load.

I just finished testing a setup I put together with a modified motorbike generator (magneto) which has 12 pole pieces. I took off the big magnets from the outer flywheel and replaced them with 12 smaller magnets. The output wave was an almost perfect sine wave.
I then cut off 6 pole pieces and 6 magnets and the results where much better, meaning that even though the frequency was lower, the point where shorting the output didn't put any drag on the motor was way lower. This because the coils had enough time to discharge before the next magnet pass. The wave now looked like the typical G-field wave (WMWMW)

I haven't been able to lower it to the point where a low resistance load wouldn't put any drag on the motor, also because, even though the magnetic loops were closed, the lamination coil cores where very thin (not enough iron), but I've learned a lot. So I'm heavily thinking about my next version and how I should go about that. Before I build a bigger one I want to have a small running version where things work as they should.

Personally I think that the best kind of setup for a big version is a magneto type geometry. John B. has always said we should look at the Ford model-T magneto, which is kind of what he built and put on his ferris wheel centre.
In fact, with two iron discs, with coils on one disc and magnets on the other, in NSNS arrangement, the construction is quite simple and the magnetic loops still get closed.

For a smaller "proof of concept" generator I think I'll put something together like Cole's setup.
Two or four fixed coils and 2 iron disc rotors with 4 or 8 magnets on each side on a common shaft, driven by a motor. I'm not sure whether to use ferrite cores or welding rod… What do you guys think?

sorry for the long post, just wanted to let you know there's one more guy working on this

Mario

[Turion]

One of the most significant aspects of the 3BGS setup is the way in which an electric motor is powered using that setup. If you haven't ever put together a simple 3BGS setup, I recommend you try it with 2 fully charged batteries and a discharged GOOD battery so you can observe what happens.

Run the motor between the positives. (If you don't know what that means, look at the Three Battery Generating System Thread and READ the damn thing. You need to understand what is going on there.) Connect the negative probe of a volt meter to the negative of the closest battery (in series) to the motor and the positive to the closest side of the motor and take a reading. Now leave the negative of the meter connected and move the positive to the other side of the motor. You will see that the voltage coming OUT of the motor is higher than the voltage going INTO the motor. The change in voltage will depend on the efficiency of the motor. The higher the efficiency, the higher the voltage output because your "off the shelf" motor is also acting as a generator at the SAME time as it is working as a motor.

Now put the meter on the discharged battery. It should read over 24 volts. I believe what you are actually reading here is the potential difference between the discharged battery and the total voltage of the batteries in series. As battery 3 charges, this voltage reading will go DOWN. If you don't believe me, pull battery 3 out of the system and measure its voltage at different points. If and when the reading on battery 3 drops below 15 VOLTS, there is no longer enough potential difference to CHARGE battery 3. Listen to what John Bedini had to say on this subject. It's right there on the 3BGS thread. So HOW do you keep that from happening? How about 3 batteries in series for a potential difference of 36 volts, going to two batteries in parallel, and pull loads off the second battery in parallel to keep it from charging, with a diode in between so charging is one way.
Now you always have a potential difference, and all you have to worry about is that your three primary batteries will eventually discharge, so you have to rotate the positions of all your batteries. You will need an Arduino or some other microprocessor that can do that for you. We have folks here who can put that circuit together in their sleep, and probably do it with FEWER batteries than what I describe.

Why am I bringing this up here instead of on the 3BGS thread?

I said you needed 4 things to build a system that would PROVE that this stuff works. A pulse motor, and Matt's design does EVERYTHING we need it to do. A flywheel...and all of you can figure that out (weight needs to be at the RIM of the wheel) The circuit (What I have described above or comparable circuit that runs the pulse motor off the potential difference) and a generator. Now Matt is working on a generator and will be putting something out. He wants the LEAST expensive, MOST productive and EASIEST generator for people to replicate. It would be nice if it would accelerate under resistive AND INDUCTIVE loads. (If it only accelerated under INDUCTIVE LOADS, I would be happy! We KNOW there are things out there that will ALREADY do this. But Matt is pretty intent on developing the BEST one possible. If you aren't familiar with them, do a little research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M

Here's one configuration, but those who have built it know what the issues are with it. The output from the coils is enough to run the little motors he uses as his inductive loads, but output is LESS than the input. You have to have more coils or bigger coils, and when you do this, there are other issues. BUT, it is a good place to start for those of you who really want to research, because it does everything you would want...runs resistive and inductive loads and speeds up under load. It is a locking loop like the Kromrey and others. I know people who have run the magnets past the ENDS of the bars, which increased output, maintained the speeding up under load, maintained the running no slow down running inductive loads, but suddenly slows down the motor with resistive loads. So research STILL needs to be done on this. What size wire, how many winds, how many coils will work on a rotor before you have too many to keep it running. Lots of questions. There is just TOO much research in TOO many areas for Matt and I to do it all. We need a team of folks.

If you can recover 80-90% of what is used to run the motor by running it on potential difference while speeding up the motor when you put loads on the generator, you are headed in the right direction. I'm not saying Matt and I have all the answers. I'm saying we know some things that work, and some pretty good ideas what direction we need to go. Oh, and we have built some prototypes that WORK, and are improving on them.

Dave

[RAMSET]

Reproducibility

David
your frustrations with these systems seem to be shared by Cold fusion researchers the world over, reproducibility has been an issue in most excess energy cold fusion claims.

also to be clear, Hydrogen has been a very Big part of these claims ..
with the most recent anomalies attached to Nano shapes which trap the little atoms and stress them during these harsh tests ...

I sulphated battery is literally steeped in such crystalline cavities...
and these pulses most definitely can supply the stress.

I would NOT worry that this will go by the wayside..

some of us are experimenting in this fashion ,All experimenters are welcome to join in .
here are some links worth following and the last link we are replicating.
*However David your experience has given pause to another path.
please do Contact me at
[email protected] [ also any experimenters who wish to work in this area]


ICCF19, April 2015

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Alexander Parkhomov's E-Cat replication experiments - The E-Cat World LENR Knowledge Base

respectfully
Chet K
PS
And for additional Clarity
David these areas are the only areas that true OPEN SOURCE science
is sharing anomalies of excess energy and these claims are in the Hundreds world wide.
it pays to pay attention....

[citfta]

Well I watched the video and I am impressed! He puts 26 watts into the transformer and gets 12 watts out. That's about 45% efficient. Really impressive.

I did see one thing in the video that was a great idea. He did use a transformer to power his circuit. I posted here over a year ago about the danger of the original circuit he showed. Most people don't realize that with the original circuit shown using only the cap and bridge that both sides of the bridge are about 65 volts above ground potential. That 65 volts pulsing DC will knock your socks off if it doesn't kill you. I have to give the guy credit for being smart enough to use a transformer. His measurement methods are wrong but at least he is trying to be safe.

Turion and Co.

Come and join the party:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal - Clarence

It has nothing to do with the Barbosa topic. lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4

Respectfully,
Carroll

PS: I should clarify that a bit. In the U.S. there would be 65 volts above ground. In Europe where I think they use 240 volts the voltage above ground would be over 100 volts

[Turion]

Sorry a.king21,

I'm not registered on that forum and registration is by invite only. I didn't get invited to the ball.

Dave.

[a.king21]

Come and join the party

Turion and Co.

Come and join the party:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal - Clarence

It has nothing to do with the Barbosa topic. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4

[wantomake]

Thanks Dave,
I have most of what you posted in paragraph one. All I will need is magnetic wire.

Thank you Matt. I know this is planting season for you.

Sincerely,
wantomake

[Turion]

Basic device

wantomake,
I started this thread because of what I saw with the simple two coil device Matt built and I replicated. It was obvious that by using a pulsed DC motor, the right gen, the right circuit and possibly with a flywheel, we could put together something that was even better than what Matt built and I replicated. And it will be CHEAP as we can get it! The purchase and rewinding of a razor scooter motor SHOULD be the biggest expense. The gen section Matt is building from scratch and testing. When he has it to the point he feels like others can replicate and get the same results, I know he will post it. It won't have the same output as my 12 coil machine, but that's not the purpose here. The purpose is to put something small together that ANYONE can replicate and get results that will convince ANYBODY that this stuff is for real. Then we take it from there.

I have worked dozens of bugs out of the the design Matt came up with, and I am very happy with what we have come up with, but THAT modified design isn't even built yet, and may have bugs of its own. I have someone working on parts for it right now, but I have magnets to buy and 12 coils to wind, so it won't be soon. I'm NOT going to post something here that costs a couple thousand dollars to replicate when mine won't stay running. When mine will run consistently, then you'll see my big machine and we'll get some folks to replicate it. Until then, the small prototype is where we need to focus because MORE PEOPLE can afford to build it.

When you can run a motor, recover 80% of the power you used to run it, and produce twice as much with the gen as it cost to run the motor in the first place, you are moving into the area where small changes make big differences.

Dave

[wantomake]

Ready

Thanks Dave,
I am ready to build, but as you posted it is costing you a lot. Will this be something we can afford to build? Hope to be able help and give any input to help the process succeed.

Good to hear of your success,
wantomake