Basic Free Energy Device

[Turion]

Blondes have more fun though!

[Turion]

Mario,
There are simply too many variables to name but here are a few that MUST be taken into consideration
Size of magnet vs size of coil core
Core material
Winding configuration (litzed, multi strand, series and parallel)
two rotors with a coil in the middle vs two coils with one rotor in the middle.
Timing, timing, timing
Running on potential difference.

The closer you are to having all those things right, the closer you are to success.

I can tell you right now, I am not the brains behind any of this stuff we have built. I just build it. Then I call Matt to figure out how to make it work. LOL

[Turion]

Metglass comes in a sheet on a spool, much like aluminum foil, only with sharp edges that will cut the crap out of you. When I wound my first core out of that stuff I used a piece of coat hanger and wound around it until I had the right diameter, then pulled the coat hanger out of it. I had super glued it on, but it still came out easily. My core was covered in blood by the time I was done, and I had dozens of cuts on my fingers from those edges. The only problem with the metglass as far as I can see is the smallest width it come in without some kind of special run at the factory is like 5 1/2 inches or maybe it was 5 3/4. I'd have to go measure. It would be a pain in the butt to cut it unless you could do it AFTER it was rolled up to form the core, Maybe some kind of hot wire cutter or something like that.

Dave

[OrthoParameter]

Read Muller. Get rid of the iron... loose the heat.

Matt

Thanks for the link....I'm re-learning things I had forgotten.

[OrthoParameter]

I dunno!

Hey you and Matt are the inventive geniuses here....
I'm sure you will find the best thing ever.

I like the anguswangus and I like the thane heins so I'm going to try and combine them while I wait for you guys to release the next level of understanding.

First I have to wind that new motor and tedious things like that make me nervous..... Especially when they have to spin fast.

[Mario]

Dave, a couple years ago I have built a Muller type motor-generator that had 8 ferrite cores on each side and 8 neo magnets on the rotor, obviously there was quite some cogging, depending on gap. I then built another rotor for the same device with 9 magnets to make it precessional and eliminate cogging, which it did. But cogging only, not the braking effect. When spun by hand yes it would turn smoothly, but still had a braking effect to it.
To drive the motoring coils (3 of 8) I used 3 hall's out of phase that controlled 3 separate bridge power circuits with recovery. I didn't see a big difference in power requirement in running the thing normal or with precessional rotor, except that it turned smoother. Maybe someone else had different experiences.
Anyway at some point at 10000 rpm the magnets got loose, like bullets!!! Fortunately I always had the rotor face towards where I was sitting which probably saved my live. I can still see the signs on the walls, ceiling, cabinet and a lead acid battery, like from a machine gun. Still find plexi pieces from time to time...
After that I only built aluminium rotors and the whole thing encased in a big thick wooden box lol.
But the precessional thing, not sure it saves power..

Mario

[OrthoParameter]

Moly Permalloy has a rating of 20k permeability at 20 gauss and flux density of 8.7k. Better than pure iron. but...
MetGlass has an 800k permeability at 20 gauss And a flux density that averages 200k below 1khz.

If the goal is to reduce heat from iron interaction you want a high permeability high flux density, low frequency operation.

Lenz Law then Heat are the largest inhibitors. To reduce that you reduce the iron and keep a flux density and high permeability.

For generators you also want something that is either completely NOT aligned in the flux path or is permanently aligned. Any material with iron in it has the possibility of changing its alignment under long term stress.

Read Muller. Get rid of the iron... loose the heat.

Matt

I'm certainly not going to argue with that. Heat is the enemy, a byproduct of core losses due to hysteresis and eddy currents.

MPP which is a powdered core has the lowest losses of all the other "miracle" core materials....Kool Mu, SenDust, etc...... Being tiny particles, it avoids the eddy current losses.

Even Mullers black sand core will experience hysteresis as it is an iron oxide powder just like the Natural Magnetite fine powder that I will receive tomorrow.

There is little doubt that MetGlass would be better than MPP, however, the MPP rod is made under conditions known to produce measurable results and the MetGlass seems as if it would be difficult to work with. I have no experience with it and have no idea how you would go about making a good core of it.

I agree with everything you are saying but I'm just trying to be helpful and thorough by testing every option. Dave has the machine to test and asked for materials. I have a friend at the welding shop at he college here so I am going to see if they have a press so I can make black sand rods for him to test as well.

I hope the MPP works better but if not, no big loss..... the Casino gods have been kind to me.

[Turion]

Both Faraday and Tesla envisioned the Homopolor Generator as well as other devices and gave us the guidelines for creating what they termed (not me....I know how expensive this research can be!) free energy.
1. The work to move the magnetic fields about a system to create energy would have to be eliminated.
2. Magnetic drag would have to be eliminated
3. Pole lock-up would have to be eliminated.
4. Use of Potential difference.
Let me clarify this last. They talked about the movement of water from a higher concentration to a lower concentration to create "free" work as their example, but the same exact thing can be accomplished by moving ENERGY from a higher concentration THROUGH A MOTOR to a lower concentration.

How do you accomplish one, two and three? You combine a motor/generator. An odd/even relationship between poles on the rotor and the stator eliminates lockup. Elimination of the iron core (as well as eliminating as much metal as possible from the device) eliminates magnetic drag. Timing attracts the rotor and shuts off that attraction to allow the rotor to pass, eliminating as much of the "work" as possible to "move the magnetic forces about a system" A flywheel keeps the thing spinning.

These are the same things I have been harping on over and over and over again since I began this thread. Not because they are my original ideas, but because the MASTERS like Muller, and Tesla and Faraday and others LISTED these things as the requirements for a COP>1 system and I can read. And I have SEEN what can be done when you start combining the BEST motor with the BEST generator and the BEST timing with the Best potential difference.

To my way of thinking, the BEST device we could come up with would be a "U" shaped hollow tube filled with compacted metglass, wrapped with two coils as Angus Wangus demonstrated in his video with magnets passing across the end of the cores. With six of these U shaped devices around a rotor that has 7 sets of magnets on it. A small pulse (between potential differences) is given to the coils to attract the rotor and shut off before the rotor gets there to allow the passing magnets to fill the coils, collect the spike as the coils collapse, and then pulse again in repulsion to send the rotor on its way. Of course this is just my dream machine, but hey, we can all dream, can't we? I know the timing might be impossible, but some PART of it might be possible. If that won't work and we have to drive it with a motor, we do that between potential differences and recover MOST of what we used to power the device. So that's MY idea guys. What kind of improvements would YOU make to it? The rotors MIGHT have to go between the two ends of the U shaped device. I don't know which would be best. That's where experimentation comes in. I know BOTH setups have their drawbacks.

Dave

[Turion]

Yes. What's up?

[OrthoParameter]

I found an email address for them and contacted them about purchasing a core sample. I'll let you know what they say. Thanks for the info! That email address was
[email protected]

Dave

Awesome.....

do you have a paypal account associated with the email address I have for you?
I got something for ya.

[Turion]

Core samples

I found an email address for them and contacted them about purchasing a core sample. I'll let you know what they say. Thanks for the info! That email address was
[email protected]

Dave

[OrthoParameter]

From what I understand, you can only purchase that in torrid form. If you find it some other way, let me know where please.

I have two coil core sizes I am working with
1" diameter x 5 1/2 inches
3/4 diameter x 3 inches

Either will work.

MolyPermalloy Rods

Since this a manufacturer, you know the drill. If they don't have a stocking distributor, purchase may be impossible.

The other option is to buy MPP toroids, crush and powder them, and using a binder and a hydraulic press; you could make your own.

For what I am trying, I am limited to using powder with sodium silicate and co2 to make a core like sand casting cores. The problem with that or a "poured" core is the low permeability, so the hydraulic pressing is needed for "roll your own" rods.

Let me know if you want to contact them or if I should move forward on this.

Ferrite rods are much easier but they do come in many alloys so research is needed to find the best properties for the low frequencies involved.

[Turion]

Coil core material

From what I understand, you can only purchase that in torrid form. If you find it some other way, let me know where please.

I have two coil core sizes I am working with
1" diameter x 5 1/2 inches
3/4 diameter x 3 inches

Either will work.

[OrthoParameter]

I gotta get ahold of some ferrite, and if anybody has anything else they want me to test (iron powder, or whatever) they could send it my way or let me know where I can order it, and I can give them the results in comparison. This is the kind of thing we need to be doing.

Dave

Hi Dave,
Research says the best bet for core material (if not MetGlass) is MolyPermalloy (MPP). I'm going to try and purchase a couple of different alloy rods tomorrow.

What diameter and length of core do you prefer? I don't know if they will sell small quantities but I'm going to try them. My hope is they will have a stocking distributor or they will let me have a sample.

[Turion]

Oh, yeah, I have all 3 Bedini SG Handbooks. LOL