Basic Free Energy Device

[blackchisel97]

Hi V

I have found that the differences in ferrite will determine whether it does better than the welding rods. Some ferrite I have is worse than welding rods and some I have is much better than welding rods. Unfortunately I don't have the specs on any of the ferrite so I don't know what makes the difference but I suspect the higher permeability types are better.

Carroll

Hi Carroll,
Yes, that's most likely the case. Unfortunately, I have only one piece of ferrite, salvaged from a vintage radio. I need to get some more and compare.

Thanks
V

[Mario]

This is a simplified schematic of how I'm running it. This way I don't have to use bifilars. I switch on the neg. side and the collapse of the primaries goes directly to batt 3. Nothing compared to your great schematics (I just don't find the time to do that..) but it gives an idea.

I'm using paralleled mosfets instead of the transistor.

Mario

[citfta]

I hooked my test setup between positives of 3Batt system. It is almost 3am and I'm too tired to let it run right now. BTW, I have all three bifilar coils as I wasn't sure how I'm going to pulse them but I'm not using their second windings.
I tried ferrite as well as iron core and I'm getting better charging/less draw with iron (welding rods).
I have small 5W bulb as a load connected after the FWBR/cap from secondary.
I had to increase dc up to 20% to get something back to the 24V bank. I wasn't getting much at 10%.
I need to look at everything with fresh eyes. Too late right now and I can't even tell if what I did makes sense or not.

V

Hi V

I have found that the differences in ferrite will determine whether it does better than the welding rods. Some ferrite I have is worse than welding rods and some I have is much better than welding rods. Unfortunately I don't have the specs on any of the ferrite so I don't know what makes the difference but I suspect the higher permeability types are better.

Carroll

[Turion]

Setup

The setup Bob and I have been discussing and working to improve is two single wire primary coils (connected in series) on either side of a single wire secondary coil. All three wound on the same iron core. Bob has been decreasing the number of winds on the primary and increasing the size of the wire. Still experimenting with that but I'm sure Bob will share what he has seen so far.

Dave

[blackchisel97]

I hooked my test setup between positives of 3Batt system. It is almost 3am and I'm too tired to let it run right now. BTW, I have all three bifilar coils as I wasn't sure how I'm going to pulse them but I'm not using their second windings.
I tried ferrite as well as iron core and I'm getting better charging/less draw with iron (welding rods).
I have small 5W bulb as a load connected after the FWBR/cap from secondary.
I had to increase dc up to 20% to get something back to the 24V bank. I wasn't getting much at 10%.
I need to look at everything with fresh eyes. Too late right now and I can't even tell if what I did makes sense or not.

V

[SkyWatcher]

Hi turion, thanks for sharing and i look forward to what you or bob has to share.
So are you saying the self oscillator, bifilar method is not ideal and we should use single coil primaries and pulse the coils/transistors with external drive.
peace love light

[Turion]

Data

Since I have been out of town for several days, I have been in touch with Bob French every day and as usual, we talk this stuff to death, discussing what changes to make to the setup and how that will affect the output. As both of us are retired, that's an awful lot of talking. Bob has been making changes to his three coil setup, and I am sure he will be posting results here soon. I would agree that bifilar or trifilar coils are NOT the way to go. We have seen poor results. Bob has been using iron cores and I expect ferrite will produce better results, but won't know until I can test it. The results have been pretty darn good. But I will let Bob tell you about that. There is a lot of research that needs to be done here on how to get the best production out of this system, but once we have done that, it's just a matter of scaling up.

I'll be home by Thursday night, and have all kinds of things I have ordered waiting for me. One more chance to win more $$ in Laughlin on the way home! I did pretty well on the way here. Too bad I spent most of it on my kids and grandkids. Oh well, easy come, easy go. LOL.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, here is the modified circuit drawing.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, been testing the 3 coil setup as shown in previous circuit drawing.
It works well, i then decided to hook the output from secondary dc bridge, solely to the 3rd charge battery and also tried with a led bulb in series with the dc output from secondary bridge.
This 3 coil setup does indeed behave different from the multi-filar coil.
When testing the multi-filar coil, if i used 2 of the coils in series as a secondary to do the same thing, nothing could be pulled from the primary field collapse and vice versa.
However, with this 3 coil design, i am now powering led bulbs in series with primary oscillator coil using flyback diode, into the 3rd charge battery and at the same time, i can power led bulbs in series off the dc output of the secondary coils bridge rectifier, then again into the 3rd charge battery.
This 3 coil design does seem superior to multi-filar and anything else i have tried, for these purposes.
peace love light

edit: i'll post an updated circuit drawing tonight

[blackchisel97]

Pulsing those two coils directly from a 12 volt battery is FAR different than pulsing them using the potential difference BETWEEN primaries and the charge battery. You can measure the output of the secondary, but there is no way to assess input vs output with the system you have chosen to use. Not accurately anyway, since you are using up power.

Yes, of course. I was just curious about something and wanted to compare two cores I have available in order to pick better one. I'm not done yet.

Thanks Dave

V

[Turion]

Pulsing those two coils directly from a 12 volt battery is FAR different than pulsing them using the potential difference BETWEEN primaries and the charge battery. You can measure the output of the secondary, but there is no way to assess input vs output with the system you have chosen to use. Not accurately anyway, since you are using up power.

[blackchisel97]

Just finished winding three coil setup so it can be tested further. All three coils are bifilar, AWG 21 and matched. Approx. 2.2Ω each strand (1.1Ω paralleled).
Not everything is hooked up yet as I need to sit down and figure out the best way of running this.
I' m using square pulse at 10% dc and 500V/20A Mosfets for switching. I can adjust both, dc and frequency but running at 100Hz a.t.m while watching charging rate with two different cores.
I'm not running in 3 Batt configuration yet, just 12VDC.

V

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, here is the circuit i'm using and pic of coil and setup.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, i just hooked up the mario's style coil-core, with secondary in middle and a primary on each side, with an open straight ferrite core.
Initial results look very good.
Just using the full wave bridge off secondary into 3rd charge battery causes the neon bulb across the transistor to light up, so i also hooked up the single high speed diode off the primaries into the 3rd charge battery and that turned off the neon and gives even better 3rd battery charging.
Keep in mind, the full wave bridge is a standard 60 hertz type slow diode design.
I also hooked up the bifilar primaries in parallel, which is probably why the neon comes on, must be a mismatch in impedance between the two coils, as i did not match them yet.
Though my quick observations of voltage drop on the primary series batteries and voltage rise in 3rd charge battery, plus the light output in led bulbs, it looks really good.
peace love light

[i_ron]

Hi i_ron, if you are asking about the multifilar coil, each 24awg. strand is around 2.2 ohms, so since 2 are in parallel for the primary, that is 1.1 ohms.
Have not measured frequency, though i would guess between 15 - 20 khz
Getting ready to start winding the coils on the secondary in the middle coil design.
peace love light

Thanks Sky, much appreciated

Ron