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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Could you be so nice and explain me this further.
    You take the generated current trough the motor windings to compensate
    an increasing load on the motor ? why is this load increasing on the motor ?
    When we draw current from the generator, it causes drag, the motor slows and the BEMF in the armature reduces. This allows more current to flow. Also when a load is placed on the secondary of a transformer, the impedance drops and more current can flow. Normally all the extra current comes from the source, but as we are creating current in the generator it makes sense to use that too.

    The voltage drop across the motor is very small, so if we make the voltage of our output higher than the motor, it will draw generator current through the motor with little voltage drop. We can still power our load but the current flow has assisted the motor. This extra current in the armature causes more generated current so it is a self compensating loop.

    As the transformer action is lowering impedance, more current flows, which in turn causes stronger generation due to the higher magnetic fields in the armature. Again it is self compensating the the generator.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    if the motor is very low in voltage this is better because it draws more
    current from the generator. so your kind of generator will be happy to give us
    more current but its unhappy to supply a higher voltage ?
    Increasing the number of turns on the generator will give us a higher voltage but lower current, as the voltage drop across the motor is the same the compensation will be less, as the current is less. Its another compromise. I don’t know what the ideal voltage would be from the generator, we will just have to try it out.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    so the key is to use an low impedance armature And low impedance
    field coil ?
    Not exactly, we can drop the impedance with the transformer action, We want very low ohmic resistance both in the field coils and the armature. Big wire. This is why I play around with starter motors as their ohmic resistance is often below 1/10th of an ohm. The problem here is I may be too low on the inductance, another compromise.

    Your asking the right questions

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  • HansKammler
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    #13 efficience 2:
    In effect we are using our electrical draw from the generator to compensate for the increased load on the motor by passing its current through the motor windings first. Yes, the motor will slow but by not as much as expected. The lower the voltage requirement of our electrical load the more current drawn and the greater the compensation.
    Could you be so nice and explain me this further.
    You take the generated current trough the motor windings to compensate
    an increasing load on the motor ? why is this load increasing on the motor ?

    if the motor is very low in voltage this is better because it draws more
    current from the generator. so your kind of generator will be happy to give us
    more current but its unhappy to supply a higher voltage ?

    so the key is to use an low impedance armature And low impedance
    field coil ?

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Thank you very much for your patience Mbrownn
    Yes I knew that Iīm wrong because the image makes no sense to me.
    ( I hoped you would draw a correction over my Image to see clear)
    I read the post "interesting motor" yesterday but I have to read it again
    No problem, its so obvious to me because I know how it works, but I forget that no one else has seen anything like this I will go through it again with this drawing http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...-coilsetup-jpg

    This drawing is like someone cut the motor in half so you can see the exposed parts. The red coils are powered, Imagine the current flows into the screen at the top red parts, and flows out of the screen at the two bottom red parts. Pretend that the coils marked in white are not there nor are the shoes, so we are only looking at the top left half.

    from this you can see that the red coils will be in attraction. The motor would not rotate if it were not for the shoe placed at the 12 o'clock position. This shoe gives a return path for the flux, but as it does so, it pulls on the top part of the armature coil making it rotate anticlockwise.

    So as a new armature coil comes in from the right, It switches on at the 1 o'clock position, it rotates anticlockwise to the 11 o'clock position due to the flux pulling the top half of the coil. As new coils come past the one o'clock position they switch on and switch off at the 11 o'clock position. At no time are any of the other armature coils on.

    If you can imagine this rotation you can see that no powered armature coils sweep past the coil at the 9 o'clock position, this is why there is no significant BEMF generated there.

    In truth the armature coils switch off just after passing the 12 o'clock position. It is the recovery brushes that make contact with the armature coil at this point, and the inductive kickback then powers the armature towards the 11 o'clock position, but you can ignore this paragraph if it confuses you.

    As the armature has current passing through it while it is powered, it makes sense to place a coil at the 12 o'clock position and let it generate. This is what the two dark green parts are. Because we have current flowing in the generator coil, BEMF is generated in the armature coil. We haven’t totally eliminated BEMF, because we have some BEMF in the armature.

    Effectively we now have a low BEMF motor, and generator combined.

    You may find the next few paragraphs confusing, If you do, ignore it for now, but it is the part that we will exploit in the lockridge device. The previous part is the "interesting motor"

    As the commutator switches on and off coils, the armature is pulsing. This causes a transformer action between the armature and generator coil because they are on the same magnetic circuit. This is what gives us our AC component in the generator coil. The same will happen in the powered field coil.

    As the AC works with and against the DC it effectively self cancels. we cannot use the AC as the system is. The effect of this on a well set up device is that the AC transformer action lowers the impedance of both the powered field coil, the armature allowing more DC to flow.

    This effect is even more pronounced if we make the powered field coil pulse with the armature, by wiring them in series. By leaving out coils on the armature, or by using blank segments in the armature we can cause the current to actually stop in the armature for an instant. This intensifies the transformer action and the effect on the impedance.

    This lowering of impedance and increase in current actually cause the motor to accelerate when the load is placed on the generator Im not joking. Yes it is drawing more power but it is generating more power too.

    Imagine what could happen if the motor speed caused the pulsing to reach the resonant frequency of the coils!!!

    This is a lot to take in in one post, sorry for that.


    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    q2:Magnetic reactance or electrical rectance do you mean ?
    The ability to make the current lag or precede the voltage.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    my first idea would be a CAP in series with the generator winding (Motorcap) to filter out the DC component and clip it to a fixed level (biasing).
    the DC i filtered out with an bridge recifier and collecting in a second cap. So i can use both of them after.
    Is that you want to tell me ?
    Congratulations, you have thought of another of the methods of spiting the AC from the DC, but I never figured out how to get the DC out, and so have never mentioned it on the forums. Its one of the many things I call "a work in progress"

    I think we are going to make some progress

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    q3: Its because you switch off the current in the armature coil before it passes the field coil ? Right ?
    Correct, hopefully you can now see why.

    I suggest you build the "Interesting Motor", I call it the Motor Assisted Generator (MAG) or Motor assisted Dynamo (MAD) Then run some tests on the pulsing so we can narrow down the options for splitting the AC and DC

    Sorry for the long and in depth post

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  • HansKammler
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    Thank you very much for your patience Mbrownn
    Yes I knew that Iīm wrong because the image makes no sense to me.
    ( I hoped you would draw a correction over my Image to see clear)
    I read the post "interesting motor" yesterday but I have to read it again

    There is another way around this problem using reactance (I think thats the correct term) ie the voltage may drop to zero but current still flows. Its something I am trying to figure out.
    q2:Magnetic reactance or electrical rectance do you mean ?

    my first idea would be a CAP in series with the generator winding (Motorcap) to filter out the DC component and clip it to a fixed level (biasing).
    the DC i filtered out with an bridge recifier and collecting in a second cap. So i can use both of them after.
    Is that you want to tell me ?

    It is how the device is made to motor that is different. Little or no BEMF is generated in the field coils because no armature coil passes them while it is energized.
    q3: Its because you switch off the current in the armature coil before it passes the field coil ? Right ?

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    impressed !
    i sit now.


    iīm not sure if i understand your text completely. (english isnīt my native language)
    I draw a short image what I understand:

    q1:is this that you want to tell me ?
    q1.1
    Iīm not sure but the armature should be a cross (4 poles) instead of the
    block in the pic ?
    Sorry, no that’s not correct. Try reading this thread and see if you understand better http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ing-motor.html I talk about the construction from the 7th post
    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    q1.2
    the magamp is wired as a recifier than an amp ?
    Yes, that is one way to do it.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    q2:is the overlapped ac peak smaller or greater than the dc peak on the generator ?
    If the generated DC is 12v the AC will vary this DC between 24 and 0 v. Effectively the AC gain is lost when the voltage drops to zero.

    There is another way around this problem using reactance (I think thats the correct term) ie the voltage may drop to zero but current still flows. Its something I am trying to figure out.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    q3: how did you reduce the bemf on the generator to 2/3rd ?
    The generator is absolutely standard and so works in a conventional way.

    It is how the device is made to motor that is different. Little or no BEMF is generated in the field coils because no armature coil passes them while it is energized.
    Last edited by mbrownn; 06-15-2015, 11:52 PM.

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  • HansKammler
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    impressed by this theory

    impressed !
    i sit now.


    iīm not sure if i understand your text completely. (english isnīt my native language)
    I draw a short image what I understand:



    q1:is this that you want to tell me ?

    q1.1
    Iīm not sure but the armature should be a cross (4 poles) instead of the
    block in the pic ?
    q1.2
    the magamp is wired as a recifier than an amp ?

    q2:is the overlapped ac peak smaller or greater than the dc peak on the generator ?

    q3: how did you reduce the bemf on the generator to 2/3rd ?

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Are you telling about a kind of transformer?
    So in a transformer you need ironcore or metglass as a magnetic
    media. so the air coiled trifilar cannot deliver enough energy to the 300W light bank.
    300W -> my Trifilar will melt away !
    240 turns of magnet wire 21 is not very much.
    even if you use the tesla patent "Coil for Electromagnets," patent #512,340
    (bifi selfcircuited)
    you cannot transfer 300W
    Yes a transformer, but not the trifilar coil. The powered field coils and the armature act as the primary, the other field coils act as the secondary. So if we pulse the primary using the commutator as the switching mechanism, with the powered field coil and the armature in attraction, we will get a strong transformer action in the generator coil. As this generator coil is also producing DC in it at the same time, we have the problem of separating the AC and DC signals. If we use diodes the AC becomes self cancelling and we cant extract it.

    Ill say it again to try and make it clear to understand. So we use one powered field coil and the armature as the input as a low BEMF motor, as I have described before. the 90 degree configuration with one of the generator shoes forces the motor to turn and generate DC in the coil mounted on the un-powered shoe. As this is pulsed we get a pulsed AC wave also occurring in that generator coil. This is only half of the field coils in the case.

    The second powered field coil is opposite the first and set in attraction. Normally this would lock the motor and it would not turn, but because the case is split, there is no flux path and this does not happen. The flux from this second powered field coil follows a second path around to the second output coil. Transformer action again creates an AC wave in this second output coil. The two act purely as a transformer as it is arranged in the case so that the powered armature does not sweep the shoe of the second output coil.

    We have a motor, a generator, and a transformer all in one case. Only one friction loss, only one iron loss for all three devices so our efficiency is much higher than three separate devices.

    We use the output of this transformer section like a magamp to turn the AC produced in the first generator coil into DC while powering a load at the same time.

    We have one pulsed input x. We have inductive kickback from this which can be collected which will be in the region of 17 to 35% efficient, so now our input to the transformer is 1.17 to 1.35x

    If the inductive kickback is fed to a capacitor across the load, it will reduce the input so our input is now 0.65x. Are you starting to see the gains? For an input of 0.65 we get an input to the transformer of at least 1.17. Allowing for a relatively poor transformer efficiency of say 60% we still have 0.7x as a transformer output.

    The generator is more efficient than out donor motor as we have reduced the BEMF by 2/3rds. Normally we would expect this motor to generate with around 50% efficiency but we know it will be better than that. however if we only apply a generation factor of 0.5x our total output is 1.2x.
    If our device is running at 1000w, for an input of 650w, we have an output of 1200w and with no use of a trifilar coil.



    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    So the only part is to use the CASE of LR as an Ironcore.
    but rotating fields destroy / shifts the phase of magnet flux away ?
    this will really weird but maybe a key to the function.

    So you need to transform the 12V AC to 220V AC for the bulbs ?
    we need 10 times more windings on L3 than L1 to shift the voltage
    from the generator to the bulbs, with 12 V trifilar you will see not even
    a glow in the bulb.



    A relay to switch the light bank as an ballast to the generator
    not to burn the gen coils ?
    We can wind out output coils to whatever ratio we want



    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Attraction to what or whom ?
    could you be please more precise, iīm not sure what you mean .
    So if you "held" the flux in the case, you cannot "consume" it to the bulbs
    instead you have to shift it forward , round by round ?
    always add a little kick ?
    Normally a motor is set up in repulsion with flux leaking out of it all over the place. By setting it up in attraction we keep the flux in the core and improve transformer efficiency.

    Read my thread here and you will see how to set up the motor in attraction. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ing-motor.html In this thread I only show how it will operate on DC, Any AC produced will self cancel. All four field coils are set up to motor and generate with no pure transformer part. I don’t want references to lockridge in that thread as it would confuse people who choose to try it. so far I have no takers

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    The magnetic Diode is very clever ! Wow
    Impressed me. I didnīt test this out, but soon I will test it.

    Yes you could. But the magnetfield arround the trifilar will interferere with
    the rotating field in the GenMo (Generator/motor combo).
    I came up with this while I was trying to resolve the AC problem in the generator coil but eventually discarded it because the trifilar coil is 90 degrees out and so could not have this effect.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    An OpAmp is fast enough to do an PID , measure the resistance and
    instaneous output a difference signal to the MOSFET driver -> adjust L properly.
    I dont think we had this technology in the 1940s

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    but in resonance the losses in the coils are almost zero. Xl=Xc=0 (in theory)
    so drop in Amp from the power supply at constant rpm (when you feed constant Voltage to the motor)
    or rising RPMs with constant current supply.

    another approach: (not tested, but inspired from JB SG Cap Discharger)
    charge a capacitor (diode) inside the Resonance loop.when you reach the 30V then you can "click" an relais
    to push the joules from the cap to the Motor. (KICKMode)
    say "in the right moment"
    Resonance is short lost, but the motor turns further (momentum)
    the resonance should reestablish and the cycle repeats.


    Ismael Aviso:


    He find a way to short circuit the motorcoils at the right moment to
    (on the peak of the sinus wave) and charge insteanous a cap without
    "lenzing" the generator out !

    so you could use 2 Coils of the generator and close them
    with lowest (!) resistance at the peak (when rotorfield approach the statorwinding)
    so you recycle power and say bye to Mr. Lenz
    No Lenz no Drag on the generator. perfect


    OK Mr Brown.
    I will shortly forget the resonance mode.
    So if there is no LCR system at the moment.
    how will you connect the parts to get a working model ?
    What I have overseen ?
    You lost me a bit in this part so i will keep reading it until I get it.

    I like Aviso's work, one day I will try to go and see him, he lives on a different island to me.

    Don’t forget the resonance. Remember inductive kickback is a resonant event.

    I dont have all the answers but I am convinced that what I have done is part of it, it remains a work in progress. So what is the trifilar coil? Maybe part of the supply and a means of impedance matching all these things together, the truth is I don’t know yet.

    90% of my posts on this forum have been related to this device so you will see how over the years my ideas have evolved, how I have taken a path and it didnt work out and how I reverse engineered this thing.

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  • HansKammler
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    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    Remember folks, no one has a working model of this device except possibly the government in some warehouse somewhere. ..

    Hans, if this is truly a reactive or radiant device, you will be working with a slightly different form of energy. Without conversion, our scope and meters are useless. Caps help with this problem. JB has shown us how to collect this in a cap. My experience with this form of energy is you must allow for a "break in" of the conversion components before measuring efficiencies. I wish I could remember my second source of information regarding the resonance component because I also remember the statement by Lockridge himself not to use anything other than light bulbs on the generator or risk burning the whole thing up. Also a clue to high voltage and/or frequency.

    Randy
    thank you Randy.

    So lets rush the warehouses around ;-)
    we are the goverment (in an democratic manner)
    its easier to ask all your friends to ask their friends for notebooks of
    retired phD technicians. in reality the donīt shelf this device in a warehouse.
    they destroy this or you find a junkbox with parts of such an device.
    mostly old scientists who are retired now, have old notebooks of projects (no they donīt use laptop pcs) at home
    and forget that they have it. Nobody of you knows an ITT / Rand Corp / Douglas guy ?

    You donīt need fancy parts like bariumtitanate enriched with some isotope or something to build G Wave transformers, we
    talk about lowcost butcherpaper MP Caps handrolled , cu coils and a mechanical switch logic on the shaft.
    real analog stuff like marconi did (and he did a lot things beside radio)

    to your question:

    Yes low impedance parts are fine to collect radiant impulses.
    i tested this out in the past.
    you have to use the electret effect of some caps.

    the point is if you not use an ohmic load you shift the phase out of
    syncronisation and have big losses, hum and heat results in a
    dead device in seconds

    High voltage ? with old textil isolated cu strips (aka coil) from bosch 1945 ?
    really ? arcing between the commutatorplates will eat your coal brush in minutes.

    We donīt measure efficiencies at the moment the question from Mbrown is
    how to collect "gain" from a resonant loop without disturbing the loop.
    the cap is a proven solution but it depends on the circuit you design.
    if you watch the zero going signal, you can switch on the fly and extract
    the power out from cap and wait for the next zero.

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  • tachyoncatcher
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    Voltage?

    Remember folks, no one has a working model of this device except possibly the government in some warehouse somewhere. We have no way of knowing voltage or frequency of the output to the bulbs. We can assume they were standard 220v/50Hz bulbs used in Germany and 120v/60Hz used in US. Bulbs are not picky and actually work better with high voltage and high frequency. They will use less current and illuminate fully, even cold if high enough.

    Hans, if this is truly a reactive or radiant device, you will be working with a slightly different form of energy. Without conversion, our scope and meters are useless. Caps help with this problem. JB has shown us how to collect this in a cap. My experience with this form of energy is you must allow for a "break in" of the conversion components before measuring efficiencies. I wish I could remember my second source of information regarding the resonance component because I also remember the statement by Lockridge himself not to use anything other than light bulbs on the generator or risk burning the whole thing up. Also a clue to high voltage and/or frequency.

    Randy

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  • HansKammler
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    stuck on theory

    The lockridge appears to have this configuration. Remember you do not have to drive that second coil, by using it as an output current flows and impedance changes. In a motor generator configuration like I have done, the lowering of impedance causes the device to draw more current. By drawing current from the generator coil when supplying the device with AC we get acceleration. Acceleration under load. This was using a simplified armature but even worked a little with a standard armature.

    I dont know if your idea about how it works is the same as mine, but you seem to be looking at similar principals

    As for resonance and using it as an LC circuit, it seams to be leading me away from that, but we just dont know.

    I use the reverse engineering approach and let the device teach me, and it has taught me a lot.
    Are you telling about a kind of transformer?
    So in a transformer you need ironcore or metglass as a magnetic
    media. so the air coiled trifilar cannot deliver enough energy to the 300W light bank.
    300W -> my Trifilar will melt away !
    240 turns of magnet wire 21 is not very much.
    even if you use the tesla patent "Coil for Electromagnets," patent #512,340
    (bifi selfcircuited)
    you cannot transfer 300W

    So the only part is to use the CASE of LR as an Ironcore.
    but rotating fields destroy / shifts the phase of magnet flux away ?
    this will really weird but maybe a key to the function.

    So you need to transform the 12V AC to 220V AC for the bulbs ?
    we need 10 times more windings on L3 than L1 to shift the voltage
    from the generator to the bulbs, with 12 V trifilar you will see not even
    a glow in the bulb.

    Robert49 did report a "clicking sound" here. A possible clue to a missing component. What makes clicking sounds? A spark gap maybe? I also heard about the resonance sound from another source who I just can't remember. JB or Mark McKay? Not sure.
    A relay to switch the light bank as an ballast to the generator
    not to burn the gen coils ?

    If I am correct, and it works in attraction, the flux will be held within the case and very little will leak out. This would mean that the reason the the trifilar coil are wrapped around the case for only one reason, convenience.
    Attraction to what or whom ?
    could you be please more precise, iīm not sure what you mean .
    So if you "held" the flux in the case, you cannot "consume" it to the bulbs
    instead you have to shift it forward , round by round ?
    always add a little kick ?

    The magnetic Diode is very clever ! Wow
    Impressed me. I didnīt test this out, but soon i will test it.

    I still believe it is possible for the trifilar coil to be used in a way that Babcock showed us, as a choke to store energy. This coil would then impedance match by supplying whatever voltage is required to maintain current in the motor.
    Yes you could. But the magnetfield arround the trifilar will interferere with
    the rotating field in the GenMo (Generator/motor combo).

    The Idea of resonance in the motor is not without merit, but suffers from problems. The bigest being that the inductance in a motor constantly changes as it rotates, and as load varies. How to make a circuit respond to this is problematic and I was unable to do it.
    An OpAmp is fast enough to do an PID , measure the resistance and
    instaneous output a difference signal to the MOSFET driver -> adjust L properly.

    From resonance we get voltage gain and not current, until we discharge the resonant circuit. My attempts at tapping the circuit to draw power were unsuccessful as it killed the resonance. Maybe you know how to do this but I don’t
    but in resonance the losses in the coils are almost zero. Xl=Xc=0 (in theory)
    so drop in Amp from the power supply at constant rpm (when you feed constant Voltage to the motor)
    or rising RPMs with constant current supply.

    another approach: (not tested, but inspired from JB SG Cap Discharger)
    charge a capacitor (diode) inside the Resonance loop.when you reach the 30V then you can "click" an relais
    to push the joules from the cap to the Motor. (KICKMode)
    say "in the right moment"
    Resonance is short lost, but the motor turns further (momentum)
    the resonance should reestablish and the cycle repeats.


    Ismael Aviso:


    He find a way to short circuit the motorcoils at the right moment to
    (on the peak of the sinus wave) and charge insteanous a cap without
    "lenzing" the generator out !

    so you could use 2 Coils of the generator and close them
    with lowest (!) resistance at the peak (when rotorfield approach the statorwinding)
    so you recycle power and say bye to Mr. Lenz
    No Lenz no Drag on the generator. perfect


    OK Mr Brown.
    I will shortly forget the resonance mode.
    So if there is no LCR system at the moment.
    how will you connect the parts to get a working model ?
    What I have overseen ?

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    Robert49 did report a "clicking sound" here. A possible clue to a missing component. What makes clicking sounds? A spark gap maybe? I also heard about the resonance sound from another source who I just can't remember. JB or Mark McKay? Not sure.
    Think about this as a cause for the clicking, at startup and low speeds anyway. If we have capacitor discharge into the motor, the currents could be huge, this would cause all the components to flex with the pulse of magnetism. Imagine the coils and even the wound capacitor flexing with each pulse. If the capacitor was charged as high as 400v as I believe either JB or PL suggested, the current could be kA and the magnetic field monstrous. It would be like a MRI scanner being turned on.


    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    Wonderful! A saturation issue for sure, but not a brick wall. Yes, on the "waaa waaa wa ..."
    I have no idea, but it got very hot and started to smoke



    Originally posted by tachyoncatcher View Post
    With the expertise mbrown has collected on magnetic flow in motors/generators and your firm grasp of resonance, Hans, I believe you two could solve this thing.

    Good Luck,
    Randy
    Thanks for your complement, but my expertise is only a result of persistence. It may sound like I am saying the thing that Hans is looking at wont work, I am not. Remember I thought this way too at one point, and even tried to make it work. Unfortunately I was unsuccessful so I can only report my failure. Its not about telling people to do it my way, its about finding out how it worked. Even when we do get it to work, it may not be the way it was actually done hehehe

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    for the Lockridge device there are not so many possibilities of working
    with such a small count of pieces. But maybe not all pieces are present to us
    (like always )
    This is very true
    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    so we have a L in the motorcoils and generator coils,
    we have a C in arround the case.
    this C could be either a current compensation for something or a
    buffer cap. but the buffer cap you donīt need to wind across a case
    thats make no sense. This part will be soldered directy where you need it.
    and a motor spike snubber will be soldered on the motorcoil directly but
    why will the inventor help to minimze the EM Radiations ?
    If I am correct, and it works in attraction, the flux will be held within the case and very little will leak out. This would mean that the reason the the trifilar coil are wrapped around the case for only one reason, convenience.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    >but a series LCR will live with an cap in series of an L
    around a case and then you will certainly put the cap arround the coils !!!


    so I like the idea of a L1 and Cap in series , parallel with L2 and a R load
    but this needs now to be build and measured.
    everytime the magnetic lines will travel across the coil (yes that will 90 degrees from the other coils in the generator in faradayspeech)
    Yes, the coil would seem to be wound the wrong way. There is another possibility that I looked at. If you wanted to create a magnetic diode, that is make it so the magnetic poles do not reverse despite any AC in the coils you could put a coil around the part of the flux path to do so, but as you pointed out, again it is 90 degrees out.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Q1:
    but for this idea, the the coil is not winded horizontal for this, it is winded vertical to collect rotating lines of force (magn.)
    or what you think ?
    I don’t believe this to be the case as I believe we are operating in attraction and we have the 90 degree problem twice.


    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    So you get a kick in L1 and then a damping wave will occur with C that will
    induce a higher voltage with less current in L2 to the R (300W bulbs)
    to consume the power.



    Fig A, B
    some possibilities how to connect the trifilar coil with C and R

    Fig C:
    You can light a 230 VAC bulb with 40Volts if you drive it resonant to
    get as much light as a 230V 25W bulb on mains directly.
    the cap is not a polarized one like an EL-Cap you buy a motorcap for
    this because this LCR (R=lamp) circuit is a damped oscillator at
    50 hz .

    Paul Babcock and Jim would be happy now because we talk about their project
    as you learned in "babcock magnet secrets" how to multiply the power of light vs. fuel consumtion.
    Paul: "going forward and back to the load , over and over again" JIM: "use the power more than one time" etc. etc.
    they build a LCR oscillator/transformer with the windings from the diesel gen.
    But this you know allready ?



    Humming coils:
    Yes I hear this humming sound to when I play with relays or small DC motors
    and PWM circuits. It will stress the parts really if you not take the
    energy away ("R" = Bulb) so you need to use the power to help the coils.
    if you donīt do it , the energy will barbecue your windings in the generator.
    the resistance is very low at this state and a huge current will
    rush in your prototype so you can feel the heat and smell it

    Power plants take much knowledge to avoid this behavor with their
    output transformers and rent a bunch of engineers to find solutions for that
    "special case" we all waiting for

    Mr. Tesla tested it out before us and payed a lot of money for the new transformer in colorado


    thats it why I tell you LCR not only LC you often read on other machine description. But the R is a calculated part in the game. thats the difference between a journalist who thinks he is an engineer.
    (small things are most important to have a working machine or a not working one)
    I still believe it is possible for the trifilar coil to be used in a way that Babcock showed us, as a choke to store energy. This coil would then impedance match by supplying whatever voltage is required to maintain current in the motor.

    The Idea of resonance in the motor is not without merit, but suffers from problems. The bigest being that the inductance in a motor constantly changes as it rotates, and as load varies. How to make a circuit respond to this is problematic and I was unable to do it. From resonance we get voltage gain and not current, until we discharge the resonant circuit. My attempts at tapping the circuit to draw power were unsuccessful as it killed the resonance. Maybe you know how to do this but I don’t.

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    question 2:

    did some one of you take pictures from the scope connected a coil around the slotted "motor" ? ( aka your 3filar coil)
    so we can se how looks the magnetfield around ?
    Iīm not so far at the moment and try to visualize the fields but
    think how much magn. flow will running out of the slots ?

    A hint: 50 ohms impedance of your scope will
    change the curve because its almost a short-circuit, take one 100K resistor
    in series with scope please when doing screenshot.

    standard physics will tell you:
    the case is short circuiting all magnetic fluxlines
    or:
    the lines of force are going "throught the iron of the case" but not out of it to collect it in a( 1-2-3 or X Filar) coil.



    Maybe we can build the "theory" further.
    Sorry I didn't. I gave up on resonance as a primary function of the machine and followed a more simple and obvious path but that does not mean I am right. I encourage you to investigate this as far as you can, you will probably do a better job of it than I did

    Keep giving us your thoughts as there is probably a lot that I missed on this

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  • tachyoncatcher
    replied
    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    What is your source that you mentioned eye witnesses in first sentence? I've seen every video made on the Lockridge device. Did I miss something?
    Robert49 did report a "clicking sound" here. A possible clue to a missing component. What makes clicking sounds? A spark gap maybe? I also heard about the resonance sound from another source who I just can't remember. JB or Mark McKay? Not sure.

    Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
    I have literally heard this, waaa waaa wa wa wa wa waaaaaa is the best way I can describe it.
    I believe I got a gain, the voltage went up, the current dropped and the motor got very hot. The gain was in heat.
    Wonderful! A saturation issue for sure, but not a brick wall. Yes, on the "waaa waaa wa ..."

    Originally posted by HansKammler View Post
    Humming coils:
    Yes I hear this humming sound to when I play with relays or small DC motors
    and PWM circuits. It will stress the parts really if you not take the
    energy away ("R" = Bulb) so you need to use the power to help the coils.
    if you donīt do it , the energy will barbecue your windings in the generator.
    the resistance is very low at this state and a huge current will
    rush in your prototype so you can feel the heat and smell it
    With the expertise mbrown has collected on magnetic flow in motors/generators and your firm grasp of resonance, Hans, I believe you two could solve this thing.

    Good Luck,
    Randy

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  • HansKammler
    replied
    humming coils and measure coils

    The idea of the variable L Inductor is not new (for me).
    it is just a simple way of doing it right.


    When I researched the Stan Meyer papers for HHO gas generation years ago,
    i used this part to split H2 from H2O in resonance. Most people
    had a fixed LCR circuit and wonders why the output is so inefficient.
    (because every build device is different from others and so it has
    another selfresonance point.)
    When I realize the water in the tank is changing
    this freq. also I try this adustable L piece with success.

    for the Lockridge device there are not so many possibilities of working
    with such a small count of pieces. But maybe not all pieces are present to us
    (like always )
    so we have a L in the motorcoils and generator coils,
    we have a C in arround the case.
    this C could be either a current compensation for something or a
    buffer cap. but the buffer cap you donīt need to wind across a case
    thats make no sense. This part will be soldered directy where you need it.
    and a motor spike snubber will be soldered on the motorcoil directly but
    why will the inventor help to minimze the EM Radiations ?

    >but a series LCR will live with an cap in series of an L
    around a case and then you will certainly put the cap arround the coils !!!


    so I like the idea of a L1 and Cap in series , parallel with L2 and a R load
    but this needs now to be build and measured.
    everytime the magnetic lines will travel across the coil (yes that will 90 degrees from the other coils in the generator in faradayspeech)

    Q1:
    but for this idea, the the coil is not winded horizontal for this, it is winded vertical to collect rotating lines of force (magn.)
    or what you think ?

    So you get a kick in L1 and then a damping wave will occur with C that will
    induce a higher voltage with less current in L2 to the R (300W bulbs)
    to consume the power.



    Fig A, B
    some possibilities how to connect the trifilar coil with C and R

    Fig C:
    You can light a 230 VAC bulb with 40Volts if you drive it resonant to
    get as much light as a 230V 25W bulb on mains directly.
    the cap is not a polarized one like an EL-Cap you buy a motorcap for
    this because this LCR (R=lamp) circuit is a damped oscillator at
    50 hz .

    Paul Babcock and Jim would be happy now because we talk about their project
    as you learned in "babcock magnet secrets" how to multiply the power of light vs. fuel consumtion.
    Paul: "going forward and back to the load , over and over again" JIM: "use the power more than one time" etc. etc.
    they build a LCR oscillator/transformer with the windings from the diesel gen.
    But this you know allready ?



    Humming coils:
    Yes I hear this humming sound to when I play with relays or small DC motors
    and PWM circuits. It will stress the parts really if you not take the
    energy away ("R" = Bulb) so you need to use the power to help the coils.
    if you donīt do it , the energy will barbecue your windings in the generator.
    the resistance is very low at this state and a huge current will
    rush in your prototype so you can feel the heat and smell it

    Power plants take much knowledge to avoid this behavor with their
    output transformers and rent a bunch of engineers to find solutions for that
    "special case" we all waiting for

    Mr. Tesla tested it out before us and payed a lot of money for the new transformer in colorado


    thats it why I tell you LCR not only LC you often read on other machine description. But the R is a calculated part in the game. thats the difference between a journalist who thinks he is an engineer.
    (small things are most important to have a working machine or a not working one)

    question 2:

    did some one of you take pictures from the scope connected a coil around the slotted "motor" ? ( aka your 3filar coil)
    so we can se how looks the magnetfield around ?
    Iīm not so far at the moment and try to visualize the fields but
    think how much magn. flow will running out of the slots ?

    A hint: 50 ohms impedance of your scope will
    change the curve because its almost a short-circuit, take one 100K resistor
    in series with scope please when doing screenshot.

    standard physics will tell you:
    the case is short circuiting all magnetic fluxlines
    or:
    the lines of force are going "throught the iron of the case" but not out of it to collect it in a( 1-2-3 or X Filar) coil.



    Maybe we can build the "theory" further.
    Last edited by HansKammler; 06-13-2015, 10:44 PM.

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  • mbrownn
    replied
    Originally posted by wantomake View Post

    What is your source that you mentioned eye witnesses in first sentence? I've seen every video made on the Lockridge device. Did I miss something?

    Sorry so scattered,
    wantomake
    I believe it was Robert49 but I could be wrong.

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