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  • tachyoncatcher
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    More Observations

    Eye witnesses to the original German generator and also the Lockridge replication reported a odd reverberation sound coming from the generators when the lights were working. If you have ever had a motor producing a standing wave, it will make a odd, reverb sound. It is my contention that the Lockridge unit has a resonant component that must be used for the gain everyone is looking for. The external windings and capacitor plates make sense when you consider this component. Capacitive plates in close, physical proximity to switching magnetic polarity seems to be a common theme to many AE devices.

    @mbrown, if I remember correctly, the slotted case creates a specific magnetic polarity in the case? Maybe this needs to switch? What effect would the switching magnetic polarity have on the external coil? Even JB used a weak magnetic switching, with the capacitive coupling of small coils to create some amazing gain on that ferris wheel device he built. He also used the dielectric of a couple large capacitors for the supposed collection.

    More food for thought.

    Randy

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  • HansKammler
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    everybody on its own

    I research a similar project when I was starting these things in the past,
    called the Captn. Coler Converter.
    it was like this: there was a photo on the net of an replication,
    stupid Papers from british OSI with no clues how to work,
    the examiner was everything but not a technician and the final
    report is like a poem, than a report...

    Stumbled in darkness like an alchimist and try this and that
    and other things to come back to the point "its not working!"
    sadly this project was shelfed.


    the more investigators are working together, the more knowledge and
    results we get I know.




    But the point is, everyone is researching for its own and
    the tests are not supervisioned or in line with "a concept"
    so we have no theory about working and no syncronisation with the other
    investigators.

    so everybody does testing, do conclusions and at some point
    its get boring and the parts get dusty in the box.

    so the rotor looks like this:


    And the sawtooth is sitting on my 15.5 V DC when I powering
    this Bosch Generator as a motor. its from the commutator action when
    the brushes switches....
    The Generator runs smoothly arround 3000 RPM not going hot.
    so the coils are good for this kind of work.

    @mbrownn is lightyears ahead of lockridge experim. congrats !!

    Iīm at the beginning of the process because I learn about
    this project 2 months ago. So find an old VW generator (12V) and
    measure all parameter while running as a motor.

    At this stage I have no clue how this 3 filar coil works and how to connect
    to the rest. The Idea as a impedance matcher maybe.
    The thing is, if you kick a motorcoil you need a Switch and you have only
    brushes for switching action (transistors were not possible 1945)
    and a Triode arrangement seems a way to complex for Lockridge.

    How to get energy from an resonance circuit:

    to extract energy from a LCR circuit you have to maintain the resonance.
    so if you put a resistive load on it, you have to change the Inductance "L"
    simultan. I do this with a double winding on a Iron rod separated with an insulator.
    the upper winding is the L from the LCR circuit. The lower winding
    goes to an AMP who pushes current in that coil to create a magnet.
    but you have to be sure not to "oversaturate" the ironcore. (if you do this
    you get not enough inductance and the coil goes hot.
    when you raise the power in the lower coil, the upper coil change the
    inductance accordingly. Simple but elegant.


    picture says more than words. I wish more of you would draw ideas, than
    describe it with words...
    Last edited by HansKammler; 06-12-2015, 03:57 PM.

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  • mbrownn
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    Thanks for the input tachyoncatcher, all ideas a valid until we have a working unit, nothing is rejected because it is different.

    The basis of the things that I have uncovered researching this is as follows

    Its all about magnetism. A moving magnetic field can induce a current and a current can induce a magnetic field, we all know that. By keeping the magnetic field where we want it, such as in a transformer, we can make use of this property, but the same magnetic field can also do mechanical work through attraction. A motor can act as a transformer, a good example of this is the induction motor. So by combining the properties of a transformer and a motor we have two potential outputs for one input, one electrical and one mechanical. To some extent as we increase one we decrease the other, and this is to be expected, but it isnít exactly inversely proportional.

    A motor and a generator is basically the same thing so if we can make our transformer work as a motor, we can make it generate too. Now we have a transformer/motor/generator all for one input. 1 input and 3 output functions. The limitation on two of these is Lenz's Law giving us BEMF in one and an output in the other.

    It is possible to reduce BEMF in a motor but the motor then looses torque, but by combining this with a generator, we can make the generator produce torque as well as generate. In effect our motor function is gone and has been replaced with an energizer. I still call it a motor because that is how most understand it. This is done by moving the coil away from the moving coil of the armature, by moving it 90 degrees around the armature. It does not work well with Lap or wave wound armatures so we replace it with a simple wound armature. The generator produces torque because the flux is bent around the armature coil, and this only happens in attraction.

    Attraction not only produces the torque but also keeps the flux in the core improving the transformer action, so again its about getting the magnetism to do 3 functions all at the same time.

    I know I didnít go a good job of explaining it but I hope you can understand it.

    Previous posts where i have discussed this
    http://www.energeticforum.com/257723-post1177.html
    http://www.energeticforum.com/254372-post1168.html
    http://www.energeticforum.com/221422-post1095.html

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  • tachyoncatcher
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    Observations.

    Hi fellow builders,
    Here are a couple ideas, observations, and notes from my experiments and research. Much will be obvious to most but I include them anyway for completeness. I think many of the components needed for a working device have been out in the open, but not understood as Tesla understood them and the interplay between them. I hope you find these observations useful.

    A pulse transformer (DC) typically has a shunted (slotted) core. Like the case of the device here. A DC transformer will take a DC pulse and turn it into a sawtooth wave form that is biased to the plus side.

    A generator will naturally create a AC output. AC can be converted to pulsed DC.

    A reflected AC wave can create a standing wave. This can be accumulative. Study sound inference waves.

    A resistive load can do work without a clear plus and minus, but rather a potential difference between two termination points and singular point in time.

    A resistive load is part of a resonant circuit but is not variable without re-tuning.
    It has been said that to perturb the ambient (aether, ether, dielectric ...) creates an influx to balance the disturbance. An earth ground is the most direct way to connect to the ambient.

    Ambient gain seems to occur ~400Hz. Harmonics causing higher frequencies? (yes)

    Magnetic flux has inertia.

    A Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil makes a better receiver coil than a single wire pancake coil.

    Tesla nearly always showed a AC generator in his power transmission circuits.


    Tesla used a earth ground in all power schemes.


    It is my opinion the Lockridge device used all of the above ideas to convert ambient perturbance into usable lighting. I am not an electronics expert nor do I have anywhere near the hands on experience that @mbrown has with this device. I am simply sharing based on my experimental work and research. If it seems half baked, it's because it is. Otherwise, I would post working plans.
    Good Luck,
    Randy

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  • mbrownn
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    I would be very interested to hear how you think it works, you say you get a saw tooth trace on the scope, how is that? could you explain?

    How would you use the reactive power?

    I experimented with resonance using a universal motor some years ago, a gain in voltage was seen but no gain in current. The motor ran but was very weak and had little torque. The gain in power was detectable in the form of heat although I could not get accurate measurements. I was unable to extract any electrical energy without killing the resonance and eventually gave up on that approach. How do you do it?

    Is there anything special about the old Bosch generators? In the picture the layout looks like a universal motor except there is a bigger offset from the neutral plane on the brushes. Is the armature wound differently? How many slots are on the armature? and how many commutator bars?

    Sorry for all the questions but if you donít ask, you donít find out.

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  • wantomake
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    patience me?

    Hello Hans,
    Taking into account that there is no proof that this device ever existed, and that some unknown friend gave a box full of just parts to J. Bedini that didn't work, also why hasn't anyone from Germany (if still able to remember) come forward with any stories of such device. We had Robert here once who had a friend that remembered seeing something similar as a boy in WW2 Germany. But had no details to give us.

    But I do think such a device is possible. Why? I think Mr. Bedini knows how this device operates as a single unit.

    I have more curiosity and at my age take my time building and learning from it.

    Patience is good but knowledge is better, with all due respect.
    wantomake

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  • HansKammler
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    Hello Wanttomake,

    research by excluding what not works seem to be a hard way.
    so you need a lot patience.

    I like Mr. Bedini who is willing to spread his wisdom to us (experimentiers)
    Nobody does this in the past. Iīll also publish my findings for others because thats the only way to help the people.
    Many good things are lost in the past when inventors wait for the big money and go to grave while waiting....

    The german inventor who did the first Lockridge, before the troops capture this and bring it to USA did surely not based this on bedini Energizer.

    I have a original Bosch generator from this time and measure out
    that every cycle it commutates two times.
    I see a sawtooth on the scope with 10ms width (aka 100Hz)
    3000 RPM @ 4,75Amps 18.8 V

    now i think where to put the slots and where to get 2 small coils in between.

    after I get the coils I measure the XL to get Z and with this
    i calculate the reactive energy traditional engineers throw away with motor design.

    sin phi=(xl-xc)/z
    z=sqrt(R^2+(xl-xc)^2)

    This is my approach to regauge the lost energy back to the machine.
    When the generator is in Balance / Resonance it will consume very less
    energy for maximum performance.



    How many different options you have with the 3filar coil to connect ?

    cheers

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  • mbrownn
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Mbrownn,
    Yes I would be very interested in your recent bench test results. If you have any Youtube or pictures(beside those on Imhotep forum) that would be great.
    Sorry to disappoint, I donít have any new results, but thanks to yours and Hiwaters work, I think we have eliminated Lap and wave wound armatures altogether.

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    My conclusion of the Lockridge device, from the test I ran, that it consist of motor, generator, and a device that stores and steps up useable voltage for the motor side to run on.
    My conclusion too. but you missed out the transformer effect inside the motor/generator.
    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    The motor and generating part I was able to see some results. But wasn't able to accomplish the third part- the coil/capacitor combo device. Not yet at least.
    I think we need to get the transformer part of it sorted too before we move onto the trifilar coil. I have done a lot of playing around on this aspect so hopefully we can get it to work in the device soon.

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    My biggest problem is my lack of knowledge in this arena of electronic, electromagnetic, and such. So I put this aside to study and build other projects and learn.
    We are both the same in this respect. That's why I have been playing around with transformers.

    The motor/generator side of it I put in the "Interesting Motor" thread as you know, and I have thought of a name for that. Either the Motor Assisted Generator, MAG or Motor Assisted Dynamo, MAD. MADMAG would work too

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    So I still have that project collecting dust somewhere so I can learn some more if you have any new findings.

    wantomake
    Be patient, I will be building again soon.

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  • wantomake
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    recent bench test

    Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
    Hi Hans, the research I did started with no theories or preconceived ideas, basically I got a motor and cut slots in it and then tried every wiring combination I could think of. After not making much progress I decided to rewind an armature with blanks on the commutator so that it pulsed and tried again. Now I had lots of things going on and through a process of elimination I am finding out what works and what does not.

    I have learned many things doing this and come across many problems. Each time I resolved a problem or eliminated a possibility the motor resembled more and more the device John Bedini showed us. I believe it to be an energiser of sorts, but not in the Bedini style. In fact it has no resemblance to Mr Bedini's devices that I can see. It does not seem to work in any way like Mr Bedini described in the video. No disrespect to John Bedini and his work, Its just different.

    I have let the test bench lead me, then looked at the theory to try to understand what is happening.

    Yes I would love to see a PDF of that notebook, but to be honest, we do not know if that was correct anyway. The device itself is teaching me, this is the process of reverse engineering, and so far it has been a good teacher. It does not work like any other device I have seen. Its fascinating, simple in its appearance, but complex in how it works.

    Forget about oscillators for now, that does not seem to be how it works

    I don't have all the answers but have made huge progress. I would be happy to share what I have found if you want to give it a try.

    Mbrownn,
    Yes I would be very interested in your recent bench test results. If you have any Youtube or pictures(beside those on Imhotep forum) that would be great.

    My conclusion of the Lockridge device, from the test I ran, that it consist of motor, generator, and a device that stores and steps up useable voltage for the motor side to run on. The motor and generating part I was able to see some results. But wasn't able to accomplish the third part- the coil/capacitor combo device. Not yet at least.

    My biggest problem is my lack of knowledge in this arena of electronic, electromagnetic, and such. So I put this aside to study and build other projects and learn.

    So I still have that project collecting dust somewhere so I can learn some more if you have any new findings.

    wantomake

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  • mbrownn
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    Hi Hans, the research I did started with no theories or preconceived ideas, basically I got a motor and cut slots in it and then tried every wiring combination I could think of. After not making much progress I decided to rewind an armature with blanks on the commutator so that it pulsed and tried again. Now I had lots of things going on and through a process of elimination I am finding out what works and what does not.

    I have learned many things doing this and come across many problems. Each time I resolved a problem or eliminated a possibility the motor resembled more and more the device John Bedini showed us. I believe it to be an energiser of sorts, but not in the Bedini style. In fact it has no resemblance to Mr Bedini's devices that I can see. It does not seem to work in any way like Mr Bedini described in the video. No disrespect to John Bedini and his work, Its just different.

    I have let the test bench lead me, then looked at the theory to try to understand what is happening.

    Yes I would love to see a PDF of that notebook, but to be honest, we do not know if that was correct anyway. The device itself is teaching me, this is the process of reverse engineering, and so far it has been a good teacher. It does not work like any other device I have seen. Its fascinating, simple in its appearance, but complex in how it works.

    Forget about oscillators for now, that does not seem to be how it works

    I don't have all the answers but have made huge progress. I would be happy to share what I have found if you want to give it a try.

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  • HansKammler
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    flywheel mixed knowledge with bedini ?

    Yes the flywheel is to store the momentum power of "a pulse Motor" to get
    a smooth rotation -> Pulse motor -> so there is a Cap you discharge in the Motorcoil. OK
    but this all reminds my on bedini 1984 Schematics called "energizer"
    I donīt have the feeling that the Lockridge is a hidden Bedini Energizer.
    We are mixing ideas togheter ?

    So 1945 there was no transistors, only tubes and relais.
    and mechanical switching via brushes and commutators.

    So we have a lot of speculation where and how to connect the trifilar
    Capacitive coil but we missed the theory of function.
    First we need a theory for this device and then we could go further
    and build a testbench for that.

    what we know by now :
    so we have a tuned C with L from the field coils in the Motor part.
    We have bulbs they are use as defined "R" to the oscillator.
    And we know that the slotted case forms a magnetic "C Bow" so if you
    look at this (magnetic) Lines of flux you will realize that the lines are shorter on one side of the bow and longer on the other side. this give us a non linear magnetic filed to the rotor.

    btw.

    I look the thread many times and wonder myself why there is
    no pdf scan of the research notebook , Mr Bedini is showing in "Energy f. t. vacuum Part 14" ?

    Where to find the scans of this book ?
    maybe it sheds more light in this case.

    cheers

    Hans

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  • mbrownn
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    I see what your saying, it could be that excess energy is being stored in the flywheel which when the generator is not being cranked continues to spin the motor. this motor then could act as a generator powering the lights. It does run a long time but there are a few things we don't know

    Why does he keep playing with the 9v battery? how much energy does it take to crank his generator? etc. From the video its difficult to make any real judgements about his hobby device other than it does run a long time with his flywheel attached.

    The most simple motor/generator is just that, with a motor directly attached to a generator. Taking it a step further we can add a flywheel and this allows us to have a longer off time as the energy stored in the flywheel can spin the generator, but in truth we had to put that extra energy in the flywheel first, so there is no gain.

    When we look at the pictures and description of the lockridge, there is no mention of an external generator. That leads me to believe it is in the device and not external.

    By doing this we do get a gain in efficiency as we only have one set of bearings to turn and one set of iron losses instead of two. This I have done and the idea has been used on other things two such as the dynomotor.

    What exactly the capacitor, extra coils, rectifier and diodes are doing is up for debate as no one has produced a functioning device, including me. However I am working on it.

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  • garrypm
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    Sorry Mike, I should have stated -

    take note what happens without the flywheel. then

    see what happens once the flywheel is added.

    Cheers, Garry

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  • mbrownn
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    Its a basic motor, generator and storage device concept. Remember that that a flywheel can store energy too.

    We don't know how much effort is put into cranking the handle, or what the losses are but we can see the lights are very low consumption so its not too surprising. Nice though

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  • garrypm
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    Hi All,

    If this one is not a hoax, this would fit in with Lockridge -

    Flywheel Energy Overunity - YouTube

    We need more info on the claimed VCR motor.

    Cheers, Garry
    Last edited by garrypm; 09-25-2014, 09:19 PM.

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