The bistander thread

[BroMikey]

I haven't thrown in the towel on this project. I am making TWO house payments

This has been a process. As new things were discovered,

I built a NEW machine to incorporate them into the design.
As design FLAWS were discovered, I built NEW machines to address them.

Greyland became so involved in this he started doing the machine work for FREE

I've DONE my part. .

I'm working on OTHER things that are bigger and better. .

As to getting rich. I could not in good conscious, sell someone something when I know there is something else that makes it obsolete. But the better tech is definitely up for sale, and it will not be shared here.

So the rest of us will have to carry the ball. I guess we can buy a book after the conference. Nice. Your other projects will be treated this same way. Obsolete soon. Shame. Happy remodeling. Maybe next weekend? Still waiting.

Thane has had and has the ball, always has, others took his work and modified it. Thane has the patents to prove it. Right after 9-11 he began formulating.

Thane's obsolete work, make me laugh.

[Turion]

I haven't thrown in the towel on this project. I am making TWO house payments until I get this house finished and sold, and that HAS to be my priority. Especially with everyone losing their jobs in this crazy pandemic. My family is not immune to that possibility. Try making two house payments with NO job. Not much fun. Unless of course one of YOU wants to make the payments for me so I can work on the generator??!!! I don't have time to take the machine apart and put it back together 20 times like Greyland has done to fix every little thing that goes wrong with it and try to work out all the bugs. What none of you seem to understand is I have NOTHING to prove. Greyland and I, along with a few others, have seen the machine work. We first got it working over FIVE years ago. We have seen how much it consumes and what it will output. We have worked MOST of the last five years just to improve the design. THAT is why it, and the other versions, have been taken apart. To make IMPROVEMENTS. We KNOW what it is capable of. Everything NOW is just being done to convince YOU people that it works. YOU are not my priority. I gave you every detail necessary to build this for yourselves. Prove it to yourselves or DISPROVE it, but BUILD IT. If you don't, that's YOUR problem. Don't come whining to me that I need to prove anything, or that I "owe" it to people to prove it works. I owe NONE of you ANYTHING. I will NEVER sell this machine, nor do I hope to profit from it. WHY NOT? Because, as I have said time and again, it is OBSOLETE!!!!! Why would I invest MORE time and MORE money into tech I know is obsolete when I could be investing that same time and money into tech that is better? THAT I KNOW is better, Because I have also seen it WORK. THAT is exactly what I am doing. I am working with an electrical engineer on stuff that makes the output of this machine embarrassing. Why do you think I gave it away for FREE??!!! I did it because it WORKS, but I have no USE for it. Others DO!. I also thought MAYBE, if people built it and saw that it worked, people might listen to OTHER things I had to say. But instead I am called a liar, a fraud and a con man, and few IF ANY have actually replicated this machine. You have to walk before you can run, and most people here are still crawling. Or sitting on their butt waiting for someone else to crawl and prove that crawling is possible.

When I built my very FIRST version of this machine, it just happens that I wound two coils with three strands of 1,000 feet of #23 on them because that is what Matt had on the machine HE built that I was replicating. I was using an MY1016 motor and running it on 12 volts. It was turning at a bit over 2900 rpm, although I didn't know that at the time. All I knew was that when I connected the loads to coils, the amp draw on the motor went down, the coils produced power and all was perfect!. Then I added two more coils, and the machine wouldn't work. The loads would drag the motor down and I was afraid of burning it up because the amp draw would go up so high. I couldn't figure it out. Without the loads it seemed to run fine. I wasn't really paying attention to RPM at the time. I should have been. Even with two coils under load and the other two coils disconnected, it would drag the motor down and skyrocket the amp draw. What I learned from this VERY FIRST setup was two things. The rotor had to turn at a minimum of 2800 rpm, and additional coils caused the rotor to rotate slower because of the magnetic DRAG of the magnets going past the iron cores of the additional coils. Four coils in place caused it to drop the rpm to less than 2800, so NO speed up under load. I had to increase the voltage to 24 volts, and then I could run it with four coils, but NO MORE. Additional coils caused the MY1016 to burn up from the amp draw of running the rotor by the four + coils. I burnt up SEVERAL doing different testing. That's why I began searching for a way to turn the rotor freely, and that old patent showing magnetic neutralization came to mind. This has been a process. As new things were discovered, I built a NEW machine to incorporate them into the design. As design FLAWS were discovered, I built NEW machines to address them. Finally, Greyland became so involved in this he started doing the machine work for FREE, and we've been working on it together ever since. He wants it perfected so that he can go into the business of manufacturing these and selling them from his machine shop. I'm fine with that because I believe getting the tech out there to people is a good thing, but I've DONE my part. I built it. It works. I've shared HOW to build it. What happens now is all on YOU people. I'm working on OTHER things that are bigger and better. And they also work. There are many ways to skin this cat. I've given you one. Use it or don't. But don't blame me for your lack of effort. As to getting rich. I could not in good conscious, sell someone something when I know there is something else that makes it obsolete. But the better tech is definitely up for sale, and it will not be shared here.

[BroMikey]

With 12 coils in place, and not yet fine tuned....
https://youtu.be/P5KwN13Q_pg

Dave has given some of the best years of his life to this improved design, he sees it, the unit is nearly perfect and it is on hold? I guess I am in disbelief that Dave has thrown in to the point remodeling is now so important that the unit just sits there. Wow. I just won't consider that possibility, can't do it. Time to get rich?

[alexelectric]

Hello greetings

Alright, now adjust the magnets.

I want to comment that when I have the coil alone with the magnets in the prototype of the generator, if I want to turn it by hand on the axis of the generator, I cannot, there is a lot of attraction to the core of the coil and the magnet (2.5 inch), when I put the magnet that serves to reduce attraction, if I can rotate the rotor by hand on the shaft, it is a fact the reduction of magnetic drag.

What I have detected is that if the magnetic drive is reduced, but it still has a little but very little magnetic stop, it is due to the return of the magnet when wanting to be in the rejection position, at the beginning there is a slight rejection prior to the repulsion, inertia makes that magnetic stop jump between magnets, to enter the repulsion position already.

But as the inertia decreases, it causes it to enter a position of prior rejection by being aligned with the other magnet.

In Dave's video you can see the reduction and also the slight magnetic stop, so when the rotor stops it remains as a pendulum, since the inertia cannot overcome the next magnetic step.

A true magnetic suppression would be for the rotor to stop without doing that pendulum swing, it would be looking for a way to do it 100%, perhaps by changing the angle of the magnets.

But if the magnetic drag is undoubtedly much less as Dave has shown in his videos.

And what I comment on is to take into account everything that is being presented in this project and improve it.

And if this magnetic stop that I describe can be improved as a miniature, it would mean that the generator would gain more operating efficiency.

Thanks for sharing friends.

[BroMikey]

With 12 coils in place, and not yet fine tuned....
https://youtu.be/P5KwN13Q_pg

with opposition magnets in place but not tuned perfect yet. gotcha

[Turion]

With 12 coils in place, and not yet fine tuned....
https://youtu.be/P5KwN13Q_pg

[alexelectric]

Thanks BroMikey
As long as it (THE SPEED) is above the critical MINIMUM it works, Below the critical speed it don't work.
Savy?
I thank you for your guidance, so we move forward, with information and communication.
I will have to see how far the generation is not lost and it will not be like an electromagnet, the generator accelerating.

[BroMikey]

Using your arithmetic, to approach light speed and actually delay Lenz, you'd need to spin at 17,228,571,428.57 RPM. You're right, Lenz effect isn't instantaneous, just very, very fast. That's why in my post I said "essentially" no delay. Meaning that you would be unable to recognize, measure or otherwise detect any time or distance offset.
Regards,
bi

Wrong, each lenz reaction is dependent on the electro mechanical apparatus. All machines cause a certain desired reaction. The collider measurements would be beyond your ability or tools, in the case of a slow moving magnet (a few miles per hour) past a coil you might if you tried find that it takes time. This time to develop the effect would take much longer than a simple oscillator circuit. The reference to the collider is just another aversion tactic you employ regularly. Better to stick with simple stuff that seems very often to be out of your reach anyway.

[bistander]

Geeez better leave the roomAmen Grayland. That's insane. That thing made me nervous, had me off my chair floating for fear. That thing was really crankin. Seemed like 10,000 rpm but I know it wasn't because it can't go past 2800rpm rating of the motor, right? Or maybe he is over voltage? Nice freakout video tho, makes my day seeing how professional that rotor was built. That is a work of art my man.

On the other hand the flywheel effect may be multiplying and the power supply giving more than the rating. Maybe that was 3600 rpm? 13amps at 48v??? Think about, a 12" dia X 3.14 = means each revolution the rotor travels 37+ inches X 4000rpm minimum = 148,000inches / 12" = 12,333 feet per minute X 60min = 740,000 feet per hour divide 5280 = 140 miles per hour gentlemen. That sucker is one bad bad boy, be careful, that is 205 fps

Using your arithmetic, to approach light speed and actually delay Lenz, you'd need to spin at 17,228,571,428.57 RPM. You're right, Lenz effect isn't instantaneous, just very, very fast. That's why in my post I said "essentially" no delay. Meaning that you would be unable to recognize, measure or otherwise detect any time or distance offset.
Regards,
bi

[BroMikey]

[QUOTE=alexelectric;n497405]
One question Dave, if the generator is going to accelerate to 2800 rpm, and if it accelerates too much, it does not generate, I ask ?, You have to hold the generator at that speed, so that it is of good generation.

/QUOTE]

As long as it (THE SPEED) is above the critical MINIMUM it works, Below the critical speed it don't work.
Savy?

[alexelectric]

Hello Turion Greetings

Thanks for this new video, and sharing it illustrates your progress a lot.
But a cobservation Dave, in the video the 12 coils are not installed, ( ok you already clarified) when he makes the test of moving the rotor with a finger.

Another thing Greyland should do is install the 12 coils and rotate the rotor by hand to see how free the rotor is from the magnetic resistor, (but with the 12 coils) and according to the evaluation of the result. You will know if you have to adjust the magnets more or something is wrong or right.

The reduction of the magnetic braking if it is real, I have also verified it with my prototype, without the magnetic drag canceling magnet, when wanting to turn it by hand I require an effort, and when I put the canceling magnet or that balances the drag, I can already move it much easier, this is what they say it does not help, but if it helps and you are right Dave and you are using this element in favor of lowering the operation amperage consumption of turning the generator.

Greyland says he did the test and consumed 17.5 amps. does not say how much voltage, but if you have as example 36v x 17.5 = 630 watts and if the 12 coils are going to produce 2000 watts you already have 1370 watts gain, very well you already have gain.
I think they must get another source with a regulator.

You should already test the 12 coils under load and obtain the operation data to have the operation data clear, and from there assess what will be done, improve, adjust, change.

I think they are stuck and in circles in running this 12 coil generator with the 12 amps that the 6 coil generator consumed, it had different condition of implements, coils, cores, magnets, rotor size, weight, etc. I think there is some difference. good if they manage to reduce it to less, but apparently it does not give that result to the given conditions.

One question Dave, if the generator is going to accelerate to 2800 rpm, and if it accelerates too much, it does not generate, I ask ?, You have to hold the generator at that speed, so that it is of good generation.

Thank you for showing your progress and commenting on the progress.
you have a good prototype and a good generator

[Turion]

Greyland is still having trouble getting the amp draw down. I think he MAY have something wrong with his meter. He says it is showing 16 amps running the motor with all the coils in place, unloaded, but I know that power supply only puts out 13 amps, so something is funny somewhere. Anyway, here is the latest video he sent me. This one shows the generator with all 12 coils in place and he can spin the rotor with one finger. If you believe this is possible to do WITHOUT magnetic neutralization in place I invite you to build a rotor and surround it with coils and give it a try. If you believe it is of no use or makes "no difference" you are just wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqC...ature=youtu.be

Oops, I just watched the video again. He DOESN'T have all 12 coils in the machine. Not sure HOW many he has in place right now. WIll ask him tomorrow.

[alexelectric]

Good Turion, that you have a job and a good project, dedicate time and effort and you will have your fruits.

A comment about the generator, in particular if I would like you to share more videos, when the coils are already installed and they rotate it manually to observe the magnetic cancellation of the drag, another video where they rotate it with the motor, it does not matter that you do not give us the measures.
Very good job the assembly that has shown in the videos, good that you met someone who has the tools to assemble it well.
what I ask of you from the videos is for something that a few like me and BroMikey
We have been following this project, and in my case I am making a simple replica, and if I have not finished it, it is because I have had time and resources I have allocated more to family needs.
I remember that nobody did any test and replica of your project and you claimed it, and comment that they would only share it with those who started working on some replica, for that reason I started to replicate your project, I know that you have done it Publicly shared on the forum, and has not received recognition.
In my case, I make the reply because I like to experiment, and since I saw your project, the patent theory has become clear to me, and its principles and proposals, Mr. Turion, have been clear to me and I did not doubt that I was right, although For this reason, I started to carry out the economic and simple replication.
I do not want to be selfish but I know that you are a person who has shared everything, and if you can, you can share the videos by mail, that you can show, understand and understand that you want the most data for the energy congress, okay, It will be a great project that will demonstrate how to improve generators, my admiration and respect for you.
As soon as I can, I show my progress of the simple project of your replica.
Once the replica is finished, I will carry out the big project as you are doing it.
thanks for everything and i keep going

[BroMikey]

Good going Dave, get the money back in order first, the house will be beautiful. Looking foreword to seeing the results of your many hard years of work plus the big bucks. AND thanks to guys like Grayland who take an interest who are younger can carry the ball to another yard line. Go Grayland. Yes I agree save the best part for the conference where everyone can see worldwide.
I'll bet your wife is happy to see all your progress, just a few more miles to go.

[Turion]

Greyland just called. He has three coil pair in the machine now, and can spin it with one finger. I don't know how many amps, and he is on a role, so likely the next video he makes will show the machine running with all 12 coils in it, but not under load. That's likely the last video we're going to post before the conference, unless he also makes a separate video showing the amps and voltage consumed bu the motor to run it with all 12 coils in place. He MIGHT put one coil pair under load to show that the machine does not slow down under load, but that will be it. We will NOT show the total output of this machine until the conference.

As for me, it looks like I might be turning the downstairs of my house over to the contractor to tape and texture the downstairs and lay all the floor tile down there. I can keep him and his guys isolated down there while I work on the upstairs. I have one room up there to completely gut, and need to pull up the old kitchen linoleum flooring to be replaced with tile. And then paint the upstairs and downstairs. The back porch has to be jackhammered out and replaced with pavers, and I'm not looking forward to THAT job. Too much like work. Still lots to do, but I'm feeling much better about my progress. When you get old, stuff just takes more time to get done for some reason.

I can't wait to get back to work on one of this stuff. I had to turn the heavy lifting over to an electrical engineer friend of mine on my projects because I just don't have the skills necessary to make them work, but I DO have some prototypes he has come up with that I want to see running on my bench before we move forward. And I still want to get that one version of my generator back together because while it doesn't put out as much power as the unit Greyland is working on, it DOES work, is much simpler, and demonstrates proof of concept. Besides, I still want to test the coils with ferrite cores and see if they will speed up under load and at what RPM.