Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

Hi,
Trying to do this all by yourself is commendable but you can always ask for help you need it.

It took the Anton Cell group in Germany over 4 months to make their 1000 watt genset run on water, and they had a team of people, and they still are working how to make the engine run smoothly.

They took a Gasoline engine genset and took off the throttle body and carburetor and now are trying to make a new gas regulator design.

Anton Cell Gasoline Genset running on HHO:


Ignition Timing modifications to TDC:


Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
YouTube - Anton HHO cell drives motor-generator with heavy load around 1000 Watts

Of course their design is different from your design, that is the reason I asked if your design can run on a Gasoline genset & if you needed to adjust the ignition timing to TDC.

Regards

They use HHO I use NH3, NO IGNITION CHANGES ARE NEEDED Reply to my answer.. why in first system Meyer used HHO and in the second system use water?

[pengrove]

active nitrogen reaction with water mist

[Aaron]

Langmuir

Can you explain to us what langmuir showed and how's related please?

(maybe we should also count with the argon in the air, but it will need more complex calculation i'm not able yet to determine.

You don't need math to conceptualize the basic deal.

Did you read the two Lateral Science website articles on Langmuir and
the atomic torch? I referenced them countless times in this forum.

Those old references are great because they simply spell things out
the way they are without a bunch of over-engineered language.

[vrand]

no changes.. when all is finished video is posted..

Hi,
Trying to do this all by yourself is commendable but you can always ask for help you need it.

It took the Anton Cell group in Germany over 4 months to make their 1000 watt genset run on water, and they had a team of people, and they still are working how to make the engine run smoothly.

They took a Gasoline engine genset and took off the throttle body and carburetor and now are trying to make a new gas regulator design.

Anton Cell Gasoline Genset running on HHO:


Ignition Timing modifications to TDC:


Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
YouTube - Anton HHO cell drives motor-generator with heavy load around 1000 Watts

Of course their design is different from your design, that is the reason I asked if your design can run on a Gasoline genset & if you needed to adjust the ignition timing to TDC.

Regards

[tutanka]

Hi Aaron

I just considered the coefficient of emission of metals related to temperature...

Can you explain to us what langmuir showed and how's related please?

(maybe we should also count with the argon in the air, but it will need more complex calculation i'm not able yet to determine.

i'll keep working on it!!!

Regards

Read and think about that... Rayleigh is the right way... repeat again and again.. meyer patents are wrongs, h2opower is wrong .. the oxygen is used inside GP ONLY for retard recomposition of nitrogen molecular.. THAT IS FIRST SECRET REVEALED..

[sebosfato]

Hi Aaron

I just considered the coefficient of emission of metals related to temperature...

Can you explain to us what langmuir showed and how's related please?

(maybe we should also count with the argon in the air, but it will need more complex calculation i'm not able yet to determine.

i'll keep working on it!!!

Regards

[tutanka]

Hi Alex,
Is it easier to convert an LPG generator vs gasoline carburetor?

Do you need to change the ignition timing? To TDC?

How is your progress? When will make the video of genset operation?
Best Regards, Mike R.

no changes.. when all is finished video is posted..

[Aaron]

Langmuir

The temperatures a common engine runs Is impossible to create thermo emission by the metal and even if there were, this free electrons would run in the direction of the metal because in the middle of a conductor there always be charge = to 0.

The metal need to glow red to emit electrons.

You haven't considered every metal and you haven't considered what
Langmuir showed.

[vrand]

The next week you can see with your eyes.. Tomorrow I received latest component from Argentina.. Regards

Hi Alex,
Is it easier to convert an LPG generator vs gasoline carburetor?

Do you need to change the ignition timing? To TDC?

How is your progress? When will make the video of genset operation?
Best Regards, Mike R.

[tutanka]

for open your minds..

Hello everyone,

For more times I have written that meyer patents are wrong in content.. today I send you other little extract from Meyer section2.pdf..

"The Quenching Circuit Technology is a combination and
integration of several Gas-Processes that uses noncombustible
gases to render hydrogen safer than Natural Gas.
The, "Non-Burnable" gases are used to adjust hydrogen
"Bum-Rate" to Fuel-Gas burning levels ... recycled to
stabilize Gas-Flame temperatures .. .intermixed to sustain and
maintain an hydrogen Gas-Flame ... and used to prevent
Spark-Ignition of supply gases."

Quenching circuit in fact is very important but only in the true reaction for obtain complete process

[sebosfato]

Thats very nice,

Thanks
Regards
good night

[sucahyo]

Won't it have relative potential only to the negative side of battery and not to the environment? I think it do not charge the engine positively, but only to charge the negative side negatively. The engine/car body it self still have same potential as the surrounding.

relate to this:
Du Faye & Franklin.

It was in the year 1746 that he first began to pay attention to the experiments in electricity which were being made in England and France. A great deal had been learnt about this science since the time when Otto Guericke made the first electrical machine in 1672, and a Frenchman named Du Faye had shown that two different kinds of electricity could be produced by rubbing different substances. You will remember that a pith-ball, when charged with electricity from a stick of electrified sealing-wax, draws back, and will not approach the sealing-wax again (see p.122). But Du Faye discovered that if you rub the end of a glass rod with silk, and bring it near to this ball, it will draw the ball towards itself, showing that the electricity in
the glass rod has exactly the opposite effect to that in the sealing-wax. In other words, while Guericke had shown that substances charged with the same kind of electricity repel each other, Du Faye showed that substances charged with different kinds of electricity attract each other. Both these men thought that electricity was a fluid which was created by the rubbing, and which was not in bodies at other times ; when Franklin, however, began to make his experiments, he came to the conclusion that this was not as they had supposed, but that all bodies have more or less electricity in them, which the rubbing only brings out.

You will now, I think, be able to follow Franklin's experiments. He put a person, whom we will call A, upon a glass stool, and made him rub the glass cylinder of an electrical machine with one hand and place his other hand upon it to receive the electricity. Now, he said, if electricity is created by the rubbing, this person must be filled with it, for he will be constantly taking it from the machine, and it cannot pass away, because of the glass legs under the stool. But he found that A had no more electricity in him after rubbing the cylinder than he had before, neither could any sparks be drawn out of him. He then took two people, A and B, and placing each of them on a glass stool, made A rub the cylinder, and B touch it, so as to receive the electricity. Now notice carefully what happened. B was soon so full of electricity that when Franklin touched him, sparks came out at all points ; but what was still more curious, when Franklin went to A and touched him, sparks came out between them just as they had done between him and B.

This he explained as follows :'A, B, and myself,' he said, have all our natural quantity of electricity. Now when A rubbed the tube, he gave up some of his electricity to it, and this B took, so that A had lost half his electricity and B had more than his share. I then touched B, and his extra charge of electricity passed into me and ran away into the earth. I now went to A, and I had more electricity in me than he had, because he had lost half his natural quantity, and so part of my electricity passed into him, producing the sparks as before.

marc concept:

[sebosfato]

[sucahyo]

The fact that the gas enter inside the engine and the engine is a conductor, (similar to a van de graf or a cylinder) (and grounded) cancel all the possibilities of keeping air minimally charged or "ionized".

I believe in the attraction and repulsion theory. The enclosing wall may have polarity, the ion that is most opposite with the wall polarity will try to get closer, and the ion that is most similar will try to distance.

This is because no electron can remain in the middle of a conductor.

I don't use electron stripping theory.

Think of a metallic sphere and you put an electron inside of it. It will immediately move toward the metal just because of the geometry even not having a voltage. !!!

I don't understand. Even if the wall more negative than the electron?

I aways believed that the fact that meyer used the positive electrode the outside cylinder had something to do with this!!! I believe that somehow he used this geometric configuration to lower the needed energy to accomplish the electrolysis. The delrin around and inside the cylinders even should help by allowing the cylinder to hold the charge.

I think electrolysis need potential difference, if there is no potential difference, how charging the car help electrolysis?

I was guessing that if you could charge the entire engine than something would change. But i'm not sure of it. But if you think about, having the engine charged positively, when you inject positive ions, when they touch the cylinder they should not discharge because it is already charged up to 40kv where corona is already happening...

How do we charge the whole car positively? We charge it more positive compare to what?

I think that if we could have the piston at least covered with ceramic but having a small point in the top of it metallic, and the block of the engine isolated by some ceramic, we could generate electricity, straight from combustion. Because when the explosion happens is quite easy to have a voltage as result of the plasma (explosion) + van de graf effect + theromoelectric.

I think it is easier to capture vortex iduced electricity than by movement.

[Aaron]

thermionic emission

This is because no electron can remain in the middle of a conductor.

And that if you put an ion inside this cylinder it will readily discharge.

Have you considered thermionic emissions from different hot metal(s) in the engine?
Also, the heat of the mixture from pressure?