Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

Regarding LED's

I have done some research on this with hydrogen simulator applet (posted in this thread somewhere) it seems that once the electron of hydrogen is broken loose from its first energy level (with a UV, 10.2 eV 240nm y) just about any visible wavelength will knock it from its second level to a third or fourth. The energy level of attraction for an electron to a proton at the first level is a few times stronger than the energy level at the second level. As the distance increases away from the proton the attractive force decreases exponentially as a ratio to the distance. So the thing to understand is that a smaller wavelength (towards UV and up to X-ray) has more energy or electron volts per photon emitted. SO it would reason to theorize that the smaller wavelengths will move more electrons from their orbit and also set more electrons free per unit of time.

When we combine this fact with the added help we get from the high voltage pulses distorting the electron orbits, we see how 645 nm red leds could have worked for mr Meyers, of course he had to use very high static charges because smaller wavelength LEDs were not available at the time.

Now, due to the advances in LED designs, we can either go for more output of ionized gas (amb. air) or lower the voltage to a safer level and get the same output he got ...and we can do it with UV LEDs and a lower voltage.
Does that make sense.
Dont get trapped into thinking there is a specific wavelength to do this, remember we have the high voltage pulses changing the equation dramatically.

on another aspect:
I Believe that Pulsing the LEDs was important because of an electrical phenomena called "Inrush Current". Im not sure if it applies to discrete devices such as LEDs, but i think with a voltage pulse, you get more energetic photons than with a steady flow of juice to the LED... maybe someone could investigate that angle...

H20POWER: heres an idea, depending on the angle of light distribution maybe putting some vanes at the intake end to swirl the air as it goes through your GP could get more production as it would mix the air and slow it down a bit...vortex...
Also instead of just going thru once, have you thought about making a loop with two or three in series and recycling the air back through another second GP after passing the Electron Extraction Grid from the first GP?

Try Stainless Wire mashed into a ball, like steel wool and put that in a 3" long Vinyl tube about 2" diameter, using standard white PVC fittings from lowes or home depot to extract those nasty free electrons from the processed air !

Just an idea
Keep us posted!

[Oneminde]

On the other hand, a wide range led might be closer to the right frequensy - The red led in this exempel is fixed on 624nm (590-680nm range) while the whit led is between 425-700nm whit a peak on 450nm.

[Oneminde]

1.What coating did you use on the aluminum tube?
2.Are the top and bottom special made or did you purchase any of the parts?
3.Which type of diod are you going to use until we have the right waveform(s)?
(it is important to know that we do not know now if there is only one frequensy (one if we are lycky) - there might be one for every level!!!
4.What matterial are you going to use for the housing, is it glas or lexan/plexy?5mm LED RL5-R12120 Specifications

This LED is in the 450-700nm range (white) and have a 30 degree range (narrow) and a luminouse intensity of 18000 (insane).
5mm LED RL5-W18030 Specifications

[h20power]

The summary of Stanley Meyer work the way I see it is here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html#post47874

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html#post47875

Hope that helps those that don't feel like reading much.

h2opower.

[h20power]

I'm about 83.33% done now as I broke one of the parts to the gas processor and it has to be remade:

But I can run the needed test as is but I can't use the electronics until I get the part.

And thanks Tron for I too was wondering why that was posted in a thread deicated to the work of Stanley Meyers and other like water for fuel technologies. Mainly I think it's greed driven in that he will sell someone the items if a request comes of it. I on the other hand am much smarter than that, and know the only way anyone is really going to see this technology is for it to be given away. There are too many heavy hitters riding this one folks, trust me this is the only way anyone will have a shot at energy independence.

We can do this,

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

[TRON]

you are incorrect on so many levels..

4mm because what i said first about the recirculating current. After voltage or amperage if you prefer reach a certain level the water molecules ionize positively losing electrons and this electrons are recirculated with the current to destroy more bounds the high voltage difference create a net Force that become stronger than the bound. Maybe thats why meyer aways said it wont get hot very fast. Voltage is = Amps*Resistance Or if you prefer water resistance * Amps. I predicted that using 2ppm water would need much less current to the reaction to start. It is a self oscillating circuit because you use electrons from the water.

The research about superconductors that studs very high q resonance because of the almost 0 resistance tell you that even with low loss or high q it wont self oscillate unless you have a source of current for the cycles to self sustain. The problem is that its very dangerous using water for this and it must be designed as such that you can stop the oscillation or you are going to really be in trouble. It can explode. So you have to implement practical limits and if you understand what i'm talking about, meyer did it by using the injector. You can chose other methods like changing the Q of the circuit or a way to short the cell in the case of risk or choosing a diode that limit the max current you need.

please start your own thread... nothing you have ever posted on this one has been in line with the Meyers patents or concepts...PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD to AVOID CONFUSING the other readers of H20POWERS GREAT WORK.. Im glad you are designing your own stuff... but it is so far removed from what Meyers did that you MUST start your own thread for your Unique design
So FAr , you havent done anything that a kid in college couldnt do with a printed circuit board and a soldering iron. lots of hot air claiming to be truth!
PROVE IT ! START YOUR OWN THREAD... if you really are a genius...
Make a lawnmower run on water, then come back here and post your designs
Or else stop, you are confusing people with junk science and terminology.

[Oneminde]

I'm surprise about your interest.. You are focalized, as me, on Meyer concept.. My cell is not standard electolisys cell and don't use any electrolyte as KOH or NAOH but only mineral water, On this cell I have apply some Meyer concepts, Kelvin generator and photons for destabilize water. The internal design is in serie, for have you a vision.. the cell is similar multiple capacitors and each cell is separate from the others.. Now I think you have understand.. The magnetic/photon stage is out of the cell.. The water pump send to pressure mineral water inside to destabilization stage and after to the serie cell. The destabilized mineral water pass trought little holes present on negative plate and after trougth internal serie circuit of plates, to the end mineral water negatively charged pass trought positive plate, on it are present every little holes that help a lot for gas production.. Of course..I have also 13 neutral plates into the cell.. for it I use 28Vdc with PWM. For resonance frequency I have build an specifically circuit connected to PC via serial, Is a programmable PWM from 0.1Hz-1MHz, in this way you can find a right frequency for your usage..

sebesfato

[sebosfato]

4mm because what i said first about the recirculating current. After voltage or amperage if you prefer reach a certain level the water molecules ionize positively losing electrons and this electrons are recirculated with the current to destroy more bounds the high voltage difference create a net Force that become stronger than the bound. Maybe thats why meyer aways said it wont get hot very fast. Voltage is = Amps*Resistance Or if you prefer water resistance * Amps. I predicted that using 2ppm water would need much less current to the reaction to start. It is a self oscillating circuit because you use electrons from the water.

The research about superconductors that studs very high q resonance because of the almost 0 resistance tell you that even with low loss or high q it wont self oscillate unless you have a source of current for the cycles to self sustain. The problem is that its very dangerous using water for this and it must be designed as such that you can stop the oscillation or you are going to really be in trouble. It can explode. So you have to implement practical limits and if you understand what i'm talking about, meyer did it by using the injector. You can chose other methods like changing the Q of the circuit or a way to short the cell in the case of risk or choosing a diode that limit the max current you need.

[pmazz850]

Wow!

Thats some pretty thick wire!

[sebosfato]

ohh boy here you see my diodes and my pll design photos. Diodes are 70HFLR60S002 15 euros each with heat syncs. The pll design have filter parameters and timing capacitor changing facilities and 3 decade dividers the resonant scanning circuit, manual frequency adjust, feedback circuit and driver to drive the mosfet at high speed. The core chip is htc7046 max 18MHz very high speed pll ic. Hope you enjoy.

If you want i can send you the circuit and i'm finishing the design also for the pressure limit in the cell and for the min idle and max acceleration for safe operation with the cell closed.
ps:Meyer was a genius. not the only one...

Hope you can see well the wire thickness.

[tutanka]

So what you are telling me is that you can

I'm surprise about your interest.. You are focalized, as me, on Meyer concept.. My cell is not standard electolisys cell and don't use any electrolyte as KOH or NAOH but only mineral water, On this cell I have apply some Meyer concepts, Kelvin generator and photons for destabilize water. The internal design is in serie, for have you a vision.. the cell is similar multiple capacitors and each cell is separate from the others.. Now I think you have understand.. The magnetic/photon stage is out of the cell.. The water pump send to pressure mineral water inside to destabilization stage and after to the serie cell. The destabilized mineral water pass trought little holes present on negative plate and after trougth internal serie circuit of plates, to the end mineral water negatively charged pass trought positive plate, on it are present every little holes that help a lot for gas production.. Of course..I have also 13 neutral plates into the cell.. for it I use 28Vdc with PWM. For resonance frequency I have build an specifically circuit connected to PC via serial, Is a programmable PWM from 0.1Hz-1MHz, in this way you can find a right frequency for your usage..

[Oneminde]

[h20power]

Oneminde,

I will not engauge in he said she said type of talks for it is counter productive. For it sounds like you want me to say Dr. Lindemann was wrong in his explaination or something to that effect and I wont do that. The one thing that sets me aside from just about everyone else is everything I have written about has a foundation in standered science as we know it today.

Water fuel injectors science is based on the same princeables of a Kelvin Genarator. The Water Fuel Capacitor upsets the natrual equilibrium of water in that it is an isolated circuit and when the EEC is turned on it is consuming electrons not putting in electrons like if you where to forget that it is supposed to be an isolated circuit and ground it. For if you put a ground on the inside of the WFC when the EEC turns on it will sense the ground and all you will get is Dr. Faraday type electrolysis for the times the EEC is on. It has to be an isolated circuit and the WFC is part of that circuit.

The Gas Processor is an electrostatic device that strips the electrons from the incoming air and at the same time a coherent light intermixing chamber. The EEC on that consumes any electrons that where stripped off so they can not recombine to make the ionized gases stable again before combustion with the atomized over charge water mist.

All of this was not easy for me to understand and took a few years of constant work on Stanley Meyer's patents and many others work on water for use as a fuel source. Studying lightining storms, Taylor cones, and Kelvin genarators. Then studying the nature of water with a lot of reading from Viktor Schauberger's books. Learning how mother nature breaks down the bonds of the water molecule came from understanding just how lightining storms work. And hundreads of hours performing real expiriments the proper way as if still in a college class room and your grade depended on your work. You seem to think it was easy to figure this all out, and that a lot of things I have written about has no bases in science. My understanding of how it all works has a scientific base that comes along with it. Trust me I wouldn't build if I didn't already do the science for it other than to do a blind test for something I truly didn't understand, like the VIC transformer at first. And the blind test I ran on the VIC transformer allowed me to understand just what it was really doing first hand for all of the explainations I was getting about it was from people that never built anything. Another thing I did was to make a mental definition of terms for the words of Stanley Meyers didn't always mean what the dictionary had to say about them.

Now at that I am finishing up my work on the water for fuel technology I made sure I wasn't the only one that knows how it all works by posting this thread. This is the only way anyone is going to see this technology is for it to be given away just as I have done here, for "they" didn't give us any other course of action.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

Answer

I have seen that video before. I'm not sure exactly what "method" your referring to. He is explaining what Stanley did, In his opinion of course. I would go back to page seven in this thread and read on from there. I read it several times before it all sank in and its still sinking in. Like h2opower said, no one has ever built and put together all of meyers technology, together. Everyone was focused on the WFC and overlooked the rest. There is alot that is explained in this thread. Please study it. Are you planning on using the WFC or injectors?