Stanley Meyer Explained

[TRON]

OK, lets think this thru...

so you think maybe different wavelengths would work at different levels... not without stages of electron extraction grids (mesh) in between... you see an electron only stays free from its orbit for .75 seconds and then the atoms stabilize again. Lets say you eject 10% of the electrons at the first level and it takes .25 seconds to pass the second chamber and the third and the fourth. lets say you eject 10 percent of the remaining air's electrons at the second level (now 1/2 second elapsed) now you have 10% + 9% and again at the third level (10% of 81% = 8.1%) so 10+9+8.1 = 27.1% now you are at the fourth level and the first 10% wants to revert back to ground state because you havent removed the free floating electrons from the mixture, so at the fourth level you remove 10% of the remaining 17.1% (1.71%) now this removal and return to ground state process continues imagine you had endless levels in a really long GP at the 5th level, you lose electrons from the 2nd level, (17.1+1.71 - 10% =(18.81-1.881) at the fifth level... and on it goes never reaching 100% because the electrons fall back to ground state.

The Meyers Solution? GP #1 removes 10% in less than .75 seconds and EXTRACTS THE ELECTRONS, consuming them in a filament outside the enclosed chamber so that they CANNOT stabilize the atoms again.
My thoughts on this may spark an idea...(get it...SPARK / TRON...ELECTRON...pun intended)

My idea is GP#1 - EEC#1 - GP#2 - EEC#2 - GP#3 - EEC#3 and so on in a loop... we can get closer to 100 percent this way and get more volume of processed ions out of the air because its processed in stages!


consider this stages in his resonance chambers were required for more energy output... first stage - 10%Etrons = 90%AIR left...second stage - 10%Etrons = 81%AIR left...third stage - 10%Etrons = 72.9%AIR left... SO you see: at the third stage we have 27.1% Ionized

Of course this is assuming 10% efficiency which is probably very easy to do at any CFM volume such as the intake of a car engine at full throttle...

BUT WAIT! He (meyer) didnt use engine vacuum to pull in the processed air, he used a positive displacement pump, to send the processed positive charged IONS to the water fuel injector via the mixing chamber...so i think the air in the GP chamber was moving very slowly past the voltage zones and the LEDS...
That complicates things because slower air returns to a stable state much easier because it hasn't had a chance to pass through the electron extraction grid

I believe that if we are to remain pure to what obviously worked, and replicate it, we need to figure it out from all angles and not try to reinvent the wheel, kiss... keep it simple stupid! that was Stan's Motto!

Now im thinking about the design of the pumps.. they cant have any grounded moving parts come in contact with the processed gas (air) because the battery or vehicle ground will source electrons and stabilize the ionized air!

The same goes for the mixing chamber, it should be made or delrin or nylon as well to keep the EXH+IONAIR+VAPOR in a condition that will not allow electrons to be pulled in before it has a chance to hit the tapered resonant injector cavity.

Good insulation all the way to the water fuel injector is a big key in the design !

PEace

[Oneminde]

It's what I did so your line of thinking is the same as mine for we are trying for photonic resonance with the oxygen atoms so they don't lose the energy levels between pulses from the corona discharges. Now you can see why I said this is the hard part. I need to run test after test on this before I can see if what I chose is working or not. In any case once the light comes on dangling it's connection in mid air you know you have it working to some degree.


So right back at ya,


h2opower.

In the image i added you can se two exempels of the initial idea.

ex.1linier solution.ex.2

[h20power]

just an idea!

It's what I did so your line of thinking is the same as mine for we are trying for photonic resonance with the oxygen atoms so they don't lose the energy levels between pulses from the corona discharges. Now you can see why I said this is the hard part. I need to run test after test on this before I can see if what I chose is working or not. In any case once the light comes on dangling it's connection in mid air you know you have it working to some degree.


So right back at ya,


h2opower.

[h20power]

I didn't started with radiation on my gas processor, i'm going to try with x-ray tubes when i have some money "soon".

There is a very impressive video on youtube about air ionization breakdown using yag lasers 200mj at +- 1064nm i tried to find some information about but the only thing i found is that it cost more than 10.000 euros.
YouTube - Laser induced air breakdown
There are also some places around the world h2o that makes researches about cyclotrons or and particle accelerators and you can go there and ask to use their facilities its for free and they have anything you need, google it.

X-rays are produced under vacuum. So you just need a high voltage source and one vacuum tube some old tv tubes produces x-rays and also some triodes and tube diodes. There are tubes about 50w costs about 1500 euros or you can get on ebay too for cheap prices but for that you don't have any information on usage specifications or anything. When working with x-rays you also need protection and meters to measure any radiation.


I would add that meyer said water have theoretically 3 times more Hydrogen per pound than gasoline effectively 2,5 times because of contaminants and nitrogen... and that it have few less than lpg but any way it have its own oxygen for the combustion.

[Oneminde]

just an idea!

[sebosfato]

I didn't started with radiation on my gas processor, i'm going to try with x-ray tubes when i have some money "soon".

There is a very impressive video on youtube about air ionization breakdown using yag lasers 200mj at +- 1064nm i tried to find some information about but the only thing i found is that it cost more than 10.000 euros.
YouTube - Laser induced air breakdown
There are also some places around the world h2o that makes researches about cyclotrons or and particle accelerators and you can go there and ask to use their facilities its for free and they have anything you need, google it.

X-rays are produced under vacuum. So you just need a high voltage source and one vacuum tube some old tv tubes produces x-rays and also some triodes and tube diodes. There are tubes about 50w costs about 1500 euros or you can get on ebay too for cheap prices but for that you don't have any information on usage specifications or anything. When working with x-rays you also need protection and meters to measure any radiation.


I would add that meyer said water have theoretically 3 times more Hydrogen per pound than gasoline effectively 2,5 times because of contaminants and nitrogen... and that it have few less than lpg but any way it have its own oxygen for the combustion.

[h20power]

The main reason I posted anything at all is some people thought I was trying to get people to do something I myself was unwilling to do, sort of trying to get others to do my research in a way. The postings are to shut the naysayers up that where trying very hard, mind you, to get people to not build anything. Some went even as far as to call all of this magic, but the math and science I posted shut them up. For now if one added the numbers Stanley Meyers words started to make sense when he wrote of the 4th energy level or more for at the fourth energy level the energy content of the mixture surpases that of gasoline.

This is as real as it gets and what I have done is to allow everyone to proceed to the finish line at the same time I am doing so, and that is a first as far as I can tell. Most keep all the information to themselves as that is what society at large has trained them to do, kind-of a hiden safegard for those in power. Since I know the rules of the game they have no power over me. I am the one type of person they prayed never existed in the world. One without greed driving their life as it drives theirs and all of those that blindly follow the mad media machine filled with propaganda to that aim of continued control of the information to the masses so they can control them. This is about freedom, for if one controls their own energy needs they have true freedom for that person really wouldn't have to work for anyone as all the energy needed to sustain life would be under their control and at the ready when they need it. Albert Bowe's work is only missing the Gas Processor and his words are true:
YouTube - The Water Manipulation Motor - Introduction (1 of 2)
YouTube - Water Manipulation Motor - the details (2 of 2)

For I have looked into it and all the math & science checks out just fine the same as Stanley Meyer's work does. Energy independence it the right of all that inhabit the earth.


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

[h20power]

1.What coating did you use on the aluminum tube?
2.Are the top and bottom special made or did you purchase any of the parts?
3.Which type of diod are you going to use until we have the right waveform(s)?
(it is important to know that we do not know now if there is only one frequensy (one if we are lycky) - there might be one for every level!!!
4.What matterial are you going to use for the housing, is it glas or lexan/plexy?5mm LED RL5-R12120 Specifications

This LED is in the 450-700nm range (white) and have a 30 degree range (narrow) and a luminouse intensity of 18000 (insane).
5mm LED RL5-W18030 Specifications

These are too many questions that should be solved by the end user for it to be a engineering project for everyone and that means you have to do all of your own research, even into strength and matireals. The whole prototype had to be made and came from my mind for that is the point of an engineering project. Like I have said I have seen others that are cheaper to build than my own. Note, I will not listen to anyone that is unwilling to build and get some real test data under their belt, for that would be like taking advice from someone that doesn't know how to ride a bike watching someone else ride a bike and then writing a book about, "How to ride a bike." Some see this as me being mean or bull-headed, but those are the rules and all individuals and teams have to follow them for it is the way things are done. Watch by me even showing mydesign will lead many to copy rather than design, it is just the way of the world and I understand that, but they will have no understanding why I did the things I did and that will lead ultimately to failur. If you are going to do this you are going to have to do it the hard way so you understand what it is you are doing, trust me there is no other way.

Hope that aids in your understanding of what an engineering project is.

h2opower.

[Oneminde]

Okay then this is what I am trying 410 nm, 465 nm, 560 nm, and 635 nm. I was planning too use 780 nm but found those to be out of my price range for the project as they cost more than all of the other LEDs combined. And I will add this no matter what anyone says this is what I will be trying and I simply will not change this until I have some real test data under my belt. For me talk is cheap and test data, math, and science rules. That is how I do things and it has lead me to where I am today away from the bandwagon of hho'ers still working on technology even Stanley Meyer threw away or have some sort of magic in their theorms. I have no magic in what I have posted it is all real science which is why I really don't like putting up a guess. But you wanted a guess and this time I decided to give it to you. Enjoy


h2opower.

[h20power]

Okay then this is what I am trying 410 nm, 465 nm, 560 nm, and 635 nm. I was planning too use 780 nm but found those to be out of my price range for the project as they cost more than all of the other LEDs combined. And I will add this no matter what anyone says this is what I will be trying and I simply will not change this until I have some real test data under my belt. For me talk is cheap and test data, math, and science rules. That is how I do things and it has lead me to where I am today away from the bandwagon of hho'ers still working on technology even Stanley Meyer threw away or have some sort of magic in their theorms. I have no magic in what I have posted it is all real science which is why I really don't like putting up a guess. But you wanted a guess and this time I decided to give it to you. Enjoy


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

[h20power]

When it comes to the LED wavelengths it is only the oxygen we are focusing on, for the hydrogen only has one electron to remove. I will tell you this is the hard part for, as far as I know, it is imposible to tell which wavelengths are for which enengy level. For each energy level has it's own resonance wavelength(s) that goes a long with it. In this part I took my best guess based on the research I did.

Here are some energy levels you all can look at: Molar ionization energies of the elements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But know that oxygen has more than 73 wavelengths that effect it. I did as best as I could in trying to find out what the wavelengths are at different level primarly stripping the first one off and then 4th, 5th, and 6th energy levels. But I did also find the 8th energy level wave length I think I posted it in this thread.

That is why I didn't tell anyone what LEDs I am using for I am guessing and the ones I guessed at may not work. I didn't find a lot of information on the different wavelengths that corrispound to each of the 8 energy levels. But one thing I did in my research was to find out what coherent light is and how pulsing this kind of light effects atoms. Also when looking into how LEDs have changed over the last 11 plus years Stanley Meyer didn't have anywhere near the output of the LEDs we have today. The white LED had been invented but it didn't come out to market until the late 90's I belive as I also race a historical search on them. The wavelengths white LEDs put out typically peak at 465 nm and again at 560 nm those two colors (blue and yellow) appear white to the human eye. We need to make them into a charge pump and just following Stanley Meyer on this will do just that, though as you might have guessed the technology on that has also improved over time: Standard and White LED Basics and Operation - Maxim.

The way I designed the GP I can put a spinner right infront of the GP, but I will run the first test without it and only add it in if I see a need for it. Though we are ionizing anything that goes through the GP we are using the LEDs to focuse on the oxygen atom for that is the one we want to strip for it is the true source of power in the resulting reaction once the mixture is made. If you don't know what the mixture is please read the whole Canadian patent on the water fuel injectors.

Again this part of my research I wont tell for I don't want anyone getting made at me if my best guess doesn't work all that well. Only more testing will tell if the ones I chose will work or not. The most important thing to do right now is to build a GP of your own design for I have now seen a lot of different ways it can be done, some far cheaper than my own by a factor of 10, so do your homework and get too building for it is your energy independence in the end so just reach out and take it.


h2opower.

[sebosfato]

please start your own thread... nothing you have ever posted on this one has been in line with the Meyers patents or concepts...PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD to AVOID CONFUSING the other readers of H20POWERS GREAT WORK.. Im glad you are designing your own stuff... but it is so far removed from what Meyers did that you MUST start your own thread for your Unique design
So FAr , you havent done anything that a kid in college couldnt do with a printed circuit board and a soldering iron. lots of hot air claiming to be truth!
PROVE IT ! START YOUR OWN THREAD... if you really are a genius...
Make a lawnmower run on water, then come back here and post your designs
Or else stop, you are confusing people with junk science and terminology.

I'm disappointed about your ignorance and for it i intent the art of ignoring this facts (science it self) or being unable to understand the relation of what i showed to you and what meyer showed. It's the same thing, is all about resonance. You talk about led diodes but i'm quite sure you are not even able or have never reached any real resonance. That circuit board you are saying that a kid could do is exactly the circuit meyer designed. I'm sorry about you. I wont create a thread because is useless even if i show you how it works you and many people in this world will not understand or don't want to understand you have being blinded by so much misinformation. After all this thread name is Stanley meyer Explained. If you want i can also stop posting as you can say oh you are showing people how to get freedom. I can understand you if thats your problem. Try to read understand my posts from page 18 and think before posting would be very nice. Sorry you all for having to answer with no science information.


The pratical oscillator handbook ALL you need to know about resonance
poh.rar - FileFactory

@Tron, the idea about the Vortex is sound and used in the GEET engine. If you have two counterspinning vortices(ie concentric cylinders) one is going to be charged pos and one is negative.