Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

Hi helppeoplelive,

Read this:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogen...fs/fcm03r0.pdf page 3-6.
What I am saying is this the energy content calculations I made are based on the limiting reagent, in both cases hydrogen is the limiting reagent, in the case for Stanley Meyer oxygen was stripped of 4 or more electrons to increase the energy content of the reaction. He is not the first to try something like that, chasson321 found a patent that shows the same idea being used before Meyer put the concept to use. What is left out of my gallons per mile stuff is the air drag that is most likely already factored in with the mpg of gasoline. If I where to add in the wind drag the numbers would go up as to mpg usage, say 22 mpg perhapes.

In normal use of just plain hydrogen as a fuel typically a blower has to be used to pull in enough oxygen to fully complete the reaction with hydrogen. What Meyer did with the gas processor is make oxygen more reactive and when reacted with hydrogen far more power energy flux density than the old way. Hope that helps with your understanding,


h2opower.

Are you saying that one part hydrogen is combined with 34.33 parts air in the cylinder of the motor? Are these ratios of volumes?

[helppeoplelive]

Are you saying that one part hydrogen is combined with 34.33 parts air in the cylinder of the motor? Are these ratios of volumes?

[h20power]

Hello. I have never posted to this forum before as I am a new member. I have read up to page 21 and am intrigued by the entire subject. I have many questions but when I got to posting #613 from 06-29-2009 I decided I should ask my first question. About half way down it says:

"Believe me folks 286kg/mol to perhaps 1300kg/mol is all you are going to get from the WFC or injectors. And gasoline is at 4800-5300 kj/mol depending on the grade. So the question was where was the extra energy coming from?"

I believe that the quoted 286kj/mol is the energy retrieved when HHO is recombined or burned. An internal combustion engine will run on this mixture without the addition of any other components. My question is: Isn't the gasoline diluted by a factor of around 17:1 with ambient air when it is burned in the same motor?

~5000kj per mol/17 = 294 kj/mole

No, those are energy content calculations looking at them in joules of energy per mole of substance. Typically gasoline is burned at 14.7:1 ratio, hydrogen on the other hand is at around 34.33:1 ratio. The effect of the Gas Processor stripping the oxygen atoms of electrons is to raise the energy content to that of gasoline and beyond. I think the correct term is energy flux density. No one ever looked at just what the gas processor was doing before, until now.

This is why scientist say it is imposible to run a car on hho derived from water on demand as without the gas processor it would take many gallons of water to be broken down to do the same job of gasoline. I also ran the numbers on just how much it would take here: (just the question being brought up) http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post63184, and the answer to the question: Naton_M's answer http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post63386 and my answwers: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post63477

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-30.html#post63520

This will short cut you to the summary I wrote: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post65042

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-33.html#post65046

Now I may be adding to the summary as this is an on-going learning process for me and I have learned a bit more on the more finer details concerning the mechanizims of Meyer's work. I keep advancing my learning on all of this due to me always asking and answering questions to myself that I have on the technology. I wellcome you to learning how Stanley Meyer's technology works and hope you too can become energy independent in the very near future.

To make the thread read easyer please put sebosfato and tutanka on your ignor list for that will make the thread read a lot easyer. Onemind was put on the ignor list but he is okay and can be lifted from everyones ignor list. But if you don't put the two names I mentioned on the ignor list reading this thread will be very difficult.

Welcome to the war,

h2opower.

[helppeoplelive]

Hello. I have never posted to this forum before as I am a new member. I have read up to page 21 and am intrigued by the entire subject. I have many questions but when I got to posting #613 from 06-29-2009 I decided I should ask my first question. About half way down it says:

"Believe me folks 286kg/mol to perhaps 1300kg/mol is all you are going to get from the WFC or injectors. And gasoline is at 4800-5300 kj/mol depending on the grade. So the question was where was the extra energy coming from?"

I believe that the quoted 286kj/mol is the energy retrieved when HHO is recombined or burned. An internal combustion engine will run on this mixture without the addition of any other components. My question is: Isn't the gasoline diluted by a factor of around 17:1 with ambient air when it is burned in the same motor?

~5000kj per mol/17 = 294 kj/mole

[brenie]

Hi H2o, i'm baffeled but fascinated, not done this much reading since I was at school, and that was long ago.
Got to dash off now, but I shall be back as soon as I can.
I have great hope, many thanks for all the work you put in, and patience!

Regards, Bren.

[HMS-776]

H2OPOWER,

Sorry to hear you got the boot at allaboutcircuits. It is a good site. I probably forgot to mention, but thought you would know, sites like that are attack sites for free thinkers. I've had threats on a few physics forums for mentioning Meyers in the past.

The 'educated ones' have been taught to follow rules, rules that are promoted and endorsed by the corporations....I just laugh when someone who has never spent any effort on Meyers tells me it doesen't work...

The educated ones are the same people who don't believe there is work toward a workd government! Completly mind numb to the TV and Obama, Bush, and all other past presidents who served the interests of the power hungry and greed thirsty.

Good to see we have more knowledgeable people than I here (on electronics)...That's why I stopped posting circuits, I really don't know enough to get the circuits done....Maybe in a year when school is through, but by then you guys will have it all done!!!



Keep up the good work!!!

[h20power]

So far with KiCad I just need to learn how to use it as I don't even know the first step yet.

Once I get the circuit put together right I will be able to run some experiments. The circuit as is will do the job, that is why I want to put it together now. Any up-grades you guys add will be fine but for now that is the easiest way to go for me and many others.


h2opower.

[Tecstatic]

Hi h20power,

Thank you very much for the explanation, compact and clear

How is your progress with Kicad ?

I will be available for a little hour more if you have questions.

Eric

[h20power]

How Newman describes magnetism is just about correct. The reason no one can tell the position of an electron is they assume it travels in an elliptical pattern when nothing in nature, and I mean nothing, travels in an elliptical pattern. Not the planets, not the galaxies, not the universes, not even our very own moon. Now if you add Newman's work with that of Viktor Schauberger's then you will get a complete picture of how it all really works. The electrons travel in an egg shaped pattern. Now NASA found out the hard way that the planets do not travel in an elliptical pattern by actually losing a satellite when they first tried to send one to orbit Mars.

But no one ever made the changes to our books that we teach our children and young adults with. As a results of the left hand never talking to the right hand we live in a world of ignorance compounded by regurgitated wrong-full teachings of the past. Basically that means most people never do anything except repeat the mistakes of the past by quoting the mistaken teachers of the past.

Now with my work on water I think I have found out just why it is a compound unlike any other and why it can do the amazing things it does. Here is a simple experiment that sheds some light on what I am talking about and I will go over it for those who need a hand in understanding the concepts taking place in this video:
YouTube - Walter Lewin Makes a Battery out of Cans and Water Now the properties of water that make this possible are as follows; Water being a polar molecule, water being a dielectric liquid, water being a diamagnetic substance, and the most important of all, the self-ionization of water (also auto ionization of water, and auto dissociation of water) is the chemical reaction in which two water molecules react to produce a hydronium ion (H3O+) and a hydroxide ion (OH−): 2 H2O (l) H3O+ (aq) + OH− (aq).
Now you can repeat this experiment with any liquid on earth and if it doesn't have these characteristics it will not produce lightning. These characteristics are what make life possible, along with some other characteristics like cohesion and adhesion and others I didn't mention, and also it is how lightning storms truly work. Without water we have nothing no life as we no it would exist.
To the average person, water is an ordinary substance often taken for granted. Even though the cause of these unique and unusual properties is explainable at the atomic level, water is truly a remarkable substance.

The self-ionization of water (also auto ionization of water, and auto dissociation of water) is the chemical reaction in which two water molecules react to produce a hydronium ion (H3O+) and a hydroxide ion (OH−): 2 H2O (l) H3O+ (aq) + OH− (aq). Now looking it to this with Meyer technology we see that the EEC takes the electron from the hydroxide ion(OH-) since it is very close to the positive electrode in the water bath of the WFC due to opposites attracts. This is also made possible due to waters being a dielectric liquid being able to store a charge with a relaxation time of є/σ< 10-6 seconds. What this does is give time for water to hold a charge for it(water) to complete the circuit of the EEC. This circuit completion upsets the natural equilibrium of water H3O+ (aq) + OH- -e(EEC) => H3O+ (aq) + O (gas) plus H (gas) -e light(EEC) ==> H2O (aq) + 2H (gas) + O (gas) -e Light(EEC) when the reaction reestablishes equilibrium. This is why it has to be an isolated circuit for if there is a ground or greater negative to complete the circuit of the EEC it will do so and not upset the balance of waters natural equilibrium.
This is the chemical reaction that is taking place inside of the WFC. And it all has to do with the self-ionization property of water.

The water fuel injectors(WFI) do not work this way. It uses some of waters other abilities, diamagnetic, dielectric, cohesion, relaxation time, and polar properties. First being that water is diamagnetic giving it the ability to take on an image charge from an electrical field through induction. Second is it being a dielectric liquid gives it the ability to hold the charge for a given amount of time (the relaxation time of water), thirdly is the cohesion properties of water the voltage zone is set to be high enough to overcome these attractive forces naturally found in water and every time the voltage limit is reached the water droplet splits into two smaller water droplets dividing the voltage between them. But as long as it remains inside of the pulsating voltage zone it will be recharged and the process repeats until a minimum volume is reached at that point if charged to the limit of cohesion the water droplet simply breaks down into two parts hydrogen one part oxygen. Any breaking down into it's basic elements that take place inside of the voltage zone will be subject to being stripped of electrons in just the same fashion as the GP does. Now water is also set up to give a very small droplet size with our understanding of the phase diagram of water. Water is placed under pressure at a high temperature and injected into a area of low pressure which immediately turns the water into vapor droplets, not steam. That gives a big head start of the job the WFI has to perform.

I was about to go over all of this at the "All About Circuits Forum" before I got banded. That should have been something they should be able to understand if the know the basics of electricity and magnetism. The reason I go over this is I want everyone to know there are two different ways in which Stanley Meyer used to break down the water molecule. And I want everyone to have a true sense of the mechanisms involved with the two different processes.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

Well, I just got baned from General Science - All About Circuits Forum
for trying to ask and teach about Meyer's work. I went there only because HMS-776 suggested they might give a helping and with the figure 4 circuit, which they did not I might add, and someone must have gone over there and really scammed them or at least made them think Stanley Meyer was a master scam artist. Anyway thank God for this site and the people that did come to my aid with help with the figure 4 circuit Bussi04 Thanks!

So now I need help learning how to use KiCad as I have just downloaded it

Once I have the circuit the way I see it should be used and built, the rest will be history. And I owe a lot of thanks to many people that have helped me along the way. Thanks


h2opower.

[Tecstatic]

So now I need help learning how to use KiCad as I have just downloaded it


h2opower.

Hi h2opower,

I will help you.

When you start Kicad, you get a window with 4 buttons, when moving the cursor to a button and wait a few seconds, you see the tooltip texts (from left to right):

EESchema (the diagram editor)
CVpcb (the tool to assign footprints to the components on the diagram)
PCBnew (the PCB layout editor)
GerbView ( aviewer for gerber files )

On the top menu select:

Help->Contents

Then you see the help for the project manager window.

The 4 buttons start the four sub-programs.

Each of the 4 programs also has specific help when selecting:

Help->Contents

Search the net for the Kicad wiki, with many questions answered.

I mention this because this way you can find many answers immidiately.

Of cause you will get questions not answered as told above.

Ask them here and I will do my best to help you.

Eric

[h20power]

Well, I just got baned from General Science - All About Circuits Forum
for trying to ask and teach about Meyer's work. I went there only because HMS-776 suggested they might give a helping and with the figure 4 circuit, which they did not I might add, and someone must have gone over there and really scammed them or at least made them think Stanley Meyer was a master scam artist. Anyway thank God for this site and the people that did come to my aid with help with the figure 4 circuit Bussi04 Thanks!

So now I need help learning how to use KiCad as I have just downloaded it

Once I have the circuit the way I see it should be used and built, the rest will be history. And I owe a lot of thanks to many people that have helped me along the way. Thanks


h2opower.

[netzerite]

Thank You Gentlemen!

Thank You Gentlemen;

That cleared me up very good!

Netzerite

[h20power]

H2OPower;

Your incite is truly inspiring and I usually sit quietly hoping to learn; if only just a little from the minds of you and your co-hearts. Please forgive me if this question seems a bit ignorant.
Are you suggesting here that Professor Meyers along with all his other acts of genius rewired an alternator to further improve upon if not replace the concept of the VIC circuit?

Thank you for your patient forbearance.

Netzerite

[chasson321]

Alternator verses VIC

H2OPower;

Your incite is truly inspiring and I usually sit quietly hoping to learn; if only just a little from the minds of you and your co-hearts. Please forgive me if this question seems a bit ignorant.
Are you suggesting here that Professor Meyers along with all his other acts of genius rewired an alternator to further improve upon if not replace the concept of the VIC circuit?

Thank you for your patient forbearance.

Netzerite

The alternator was the first "VIC" so to speak. It is very hard to keep in resonance. That is why the alternator is now obsolete. The transformer type VIC is the one to go with.