Stanley Meyer Explained

[h20power]

I agree good progress has been made, but I will used the Meyer circuit first all others will be treated as up grades. Once I learn how to use the up grades I will make the switch if I think it is needed. Remember the aim of Meyer was to keep it simple so if an opprating program is needed how does everyone that needs this technology get the opperating program? Anyway just thinking out loud for my main concerns are for the poorest of humanity for we must make sure they can get it.

And for those still at the begining of their reading to just keep on doing so for I put a lot of good information in here for all the world to have. And remember it is the wrong question to say this is too long of a thread to read for this is not a question of time but a question of energy independence. For if people don't take the time to read the thread the time it would have taken them to read the thread will still go by but where they will be as far as understanding Meyer's work will be unchanged.

h2opower.

[natone_m]

Progress

How much do the AT90CAN128 run? I love the idea of using micro controllers. I program PLCs but have not had much experience with micro controllers like this. Definitely worth learning about. If a change needs to be made, its a 10 min coding change versus a 1 hr long circuit re-wire. Also the work on the circuit looks great! It looks as though things are starting to get nailed down.

[Tecstatic]

Your welcome

It seems like the code of this forum distorts the link.

I checked the link when posting and I have just checked it again, it is OK.

"http://www.sics.se/~adam/pt/"

Now the link is inside the quotes, so just use copy/paste.

Eric

[bussi04]

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For that I use protothreads, which comes from this source.

SICS
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Eric

[bussi04]

[sebosfato]

Testatic, bussi04 and others, Don't complicate you lives is too easy to reach resonance with the 4046 timer all you need is to know what you are doing otherwise, you wont see any benefits from use a micro controller.

You will take little more than 30 min with a fast prototype board to build my pll circuit. you don't even need the resonant scanning, lock in and feedback to really see the resonance.


I was right

The vic transformer is a charge pump and the resonant tank is a very high impedance load for the vic. Like a capacitor. You wont need too many turns of wire to do the vic because of the diode. but you must consider the current transformation because you need to input a min current on the tank remember voltage is = to complex impedance for say 40 Mohms * input amperage lets say 1ma.

Good luck

[Tecstatic]

@bussi04

Thank you for updating the project.

IMHO it is waste of time to build the old circuitry.

Like H20power likes the facts and not the patent texts, I prefer a system diagram with the devices and the interfaces.

To show my point, lets look at the AT90CAN128, the datasheet can be found here:

Atmel Products - Devices

The processor has an internal analog comparator which does the function of U2A in your diagram.

That is 2 input pins.

We use 2 timer output compare pins for the cell driver circuit and the EEC.
Timer pin frequency, polarity and dead time is fully programmable.

Thats 2 pins more.

We use one 16-bit timer for outputs and the input capture interrupt is routed internally from the comperator.
The input capture is used to measure the phase difference.

One more output pin for a LED, the strong outputs can drive up to 20mA, sufficient for the LED.

So using 5 pins of the processor, and a small program outlined in the attached text file implements your diagram.
A program loop sweeps the frequency until we get resonance.
Then a function is called at regular intervals to keep in resonance.

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The crankshaft sensor is positioned at the big starter toothwheel at the clutch.
Half of a tooth is missing, so it results in a "missing" pulse from the sensor. This missing pulse indicates the rotational index.

Another timer counts the pulses, so we know the crankshaft position. This makes it possible to generate pulses for the injectors.
The timing of the pulses can be looked up in tables we generate, so the timing is dependent upon temperature, engine temperature, accelerator pedal, RPM and air flow to mention some at this moment.


Other PWM outputs can be used for controlling pumps.
The internal 10-bit AD-converter can measure analog voltages, eg. from a pressure sensor.

We also have to make some artificial "sensor" signals to cheat the existing moter computer (ECU). The ECU must beleive the ICE is running normally to have the other car systems work.

In the final solution we run several jobs in "parallel" or "concurrently" on the processor.

For that I use protothreads, which comes from this source.

SICS

I have made a SW library that makes it easy to call a function at regular intervals, or after some elapsed time.


But we have to work through the details.

@all

I have noted some silence since my last posting.

If you help me with getting a correct system diagram, I can help with a uController design, as this is something I'm experienced doing.

Your benefit is a much simplified PCB with few components, and the complexity is then in the program, which I also have tried before (20+ years)

Don't be scared as all this is doable, and I'm only human, Your input is just as valid as mine.

For the practical use of the AVR uController see:

AVR Freaks

Don't mention "free energy" just your questions, if the many helping posts is not enough. I am also available, if the unlikely happens that the friendly and excellent avrfreaks forum fails to help you.

If you think this micro controller stuff is way overkill, please let me know, no need to waste time for any parties.

I will continue to catch up on this thread.

The attached file must be renamed to .txt extension

Eric

[bussi04]

Hi Everyone!

Thanks for all for sharing.

Hi Bussi04
Just want to let you know that I have encounter problem to your load SMC.PDF file you have attached in your post # 1267.

Adobe reader prompt and reported as follows:

" Could not open smc[1].pdf becuase it is either not a supported file type or because the file is damaged.( for example, it was sent as an email attachement and was not correctly decoded.)

Hope you can upload readble file. Thanks you for your valuable contribution!!
BeeSee

[BeeSee]

Hi Everyone!

Thanks for all for sharing.

Hi Bussi04
Just want to let you know that I have encounter problem to your load SMC.PDF file you have attached in your post # 1267.

Adobe reader prompt and reported as follows:

" Could not open smc[1].pdf becuase it is either not a supported file type or because the file is damaged.( for example, it was sent as an email attachement and was not correctly decoded.)

Hope you can upload readble file. Thanks you for your valuable contribution!!
BeeSee

[Tecstatic]

Hi everyone.

@Bussi04
Thank you for the welcome and the extra explanations.
I had a cold this morning, but after some silver colloid thats gone, I just have a bit of headache left.

So excuse me for not addressing details in you post at this time.

However here is a picture of my CAN BUS IO-Box PCB.

The PCB has been used before and is 99.9 % tested, no known errors.

It is a universal 8-bit IO-port to the CAN-BUS.
It is capable of digital input, digital output, analog input, "analog output" (PWM), serial input and serial output. The individual port pins are configurable for the desired function, with just a few constraints on the setup combinations.

Almost every internal function of the controller is available at the bottom external connector.

The PCB has an insulated CAN interface capable of up to 1MHz communication rate. Thats what the two 9-pin SUB-D is used for.

Supply from 12 to 24V is acceptable, or supply via the CAN cable is also possible.

The 8 transistors are open drain capable of 4 amps, note I use the PCB and the connector as heat sink, same for the linear regulator on top of the PCB.

On top is also the JTAG connector for programming and debugging.

At the leftmost lower end is a 6 amps TC4420 MOSFET driver, actually a 9'th PWM bit.

Note the two rows of pads each side of the PCB, here every pin of the ATMEL AT90CAN128 controller is present.

I added this for versatility, if the basic PCB missed to fulfill a function, an extra PCB could be mounted on top with custom circuits, and benefit from the CAN bus interface and functions of the controller. By omitting a few components a processor pin could be fully devoted to the piggy back PCB, but in most cases no changes will be necessary.

It is important to have a ground plane for stable, reliable electronics.

Ordinary current is like norty children, it always takes a shortcut and jumps the lowest part of the fence. When taking this into account, some tracks can be put on the GND plane without deteriorating the performance, if the track gets too long a zero ohm resistor can bridge the ground over the track. This has not been the case for this PCB.

The picture should have sufficient resolution, so you can see how I solve many issues with the layout.

In addition I have SW libraries in C++ for several functions controlled with CAN bus commands.

This could be used as a platform for the experimental circuits, in case you are interested.

The PCB SMPS transformer at the bottom right is for some ongoing work so a few of you don't think I have stopped my work on another subject.

By the way I have made several SMPS supplies from a few watts up to 500W so this could be handy also, especially if I just have to make the diagrams, and only have to offer review of others PCB layouts.

I also have experience with both embedded and PC based user interfaces. What I miss however, is a CAN-bus interface to a PC.

That would be very nice, because the CAN devices can then be controlled from the PC, and the PC part of the programs can be easily developed with the very nice open source cross platform Code::Blocks programming environment and wxWidgets user interface toolbox, also cross platform. I can offer ready to go project directories for SW development, embedded or PC.

Any takers on some of the above tasks, this project needs some success this year because of force majeur from other parties.

I don't think I have the possibility for making the mechanics also in this time frame, but I can offer help in the above mentioned areas.

@H20power
Thank you very much for this extra explanation and your contribution to humanity.

I hope you will accept my ignorance of the postings in this very long thread with heavy stuff (at least for some time), and direct me to the post #'s necessary for helping with the circuit design work.

Eric

[h20power]

[bussi04]

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Oh, the switch is to be removed where it says switch in the circuit posted, I don't think I mentioned that before.

h2opower.

[Tecstatic]

@bussi04

Nice start with Kicad

You need to provide 2 more libraries:

transistors.lib
atmel.lib

To avoid the error warnings use the "no connect flag" (right side panel "button") at the unconnected pins.

Use the top panel "page settings" and select paper size "A3", then you get more space, and your printer can easily print the scaled image.

Text comments (a few more) describing the purpose of circuit subsections is a nice addition.

"Bridges" is mostly accomplished by component placement and use of resistors and capacitors as natural bridges.

@all
I do all my work surface mount, and I use either 0 ohms resistors or vias to the other side for bridging.

Basically my PCBs are one layer layouts with a ground plane on one side. Normally with a few short tracks on the GND plane.

I print the layouts on special paper on my 1200DPI laser printer, and put the film in acetone fumes for 7 hours to make the dark toner areas more opaque.

I make a L shaped PCB from a PCB piece as long as the longest side of the PCBs to produce.
I tape the two layout films to each side of the "L" piece accurately aligned, and place the PCB in the corner between the films for accurate positioning.

After UV exposure I remove the PCB, turn the "L" piece with films, turn the PCB and insert between the films again, so the second side can get its UV exposure.

I have made a "bubble echer" to etch the developed PCBs.

After drilling the holes and visual inspection,
I use some small "nails" produced in an auto lathe with 50 "nails in one "string".

When inserting the nails in the 70mils via pads with 0.8mm holes and soldering the nails both sides, I have a "plated through via".

Then I can mount the power supply components and test the power supply voltages.
Then I mount the remaining components.

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I'm between a rock and a hard place. On one hand I'm in the middle of some exciting work, which has consumed much of my time.

On the other hand I understand the urgency for progress here, I assume some help is appreciated, but as I have not yet read this thread, please bear with me if I fail to get the circuit in first attempt. If this "help" is not wanted, just let me know.

I make these comments without previous acceptance, I guess I don't have to understand the physics if I'm told the desired function of the circuit.

My view of the circuit...

This circuit generates two signals 180 degrees out of phase.

The frequency delivered is regulated based on input from a feedback coil on the VIC core (I assume the "pulsing core" refers to the feedback coil.

The purpose of the closed loop regulation is to keep the VIC in resonance.

If the VIC frequency is below 100kHz I think this circuit can be reduced to one chip (uController), excluding the power drivers and the power supply. That makes PCB layout more simple, and makes the circuit more flexible, as the program can make auto tuning, and fully programmable dead timing and pulse widths with a resolution of 16ns.

In practice this is limited by the more slow drivers and transistors.

In the present circuit, I'm uncertain if U2A combined with U10 does the job.

Just my 2 cents...

Eric

[pmazz850]

Great work!

I went to this sight to get a quote to have the board made and they are asking which file is which layer. I don't know so could you help me out with that? Maybe a quick list. They appear to be in a different language.

https://www.sunstone.com/quoteValueProto.aspx

Great work on the schematics. Your work is appreciated!!!!!!

[bussi04]

http://www.energeticforum.com/75459-post1331.html