Stanley Meyer Explained

[sebosfato]

You can use any core a toroidal core or EI EE types are little better, the important thing is that the windings must be coherent with the current flux. You must know that current flows from the negative side to the positive side. I like to think about voltage as a Vacuum rather than pressure. So you must wind it all in the same direction and than observe the current flux and make the right connection. The impedance network figure on Stanley meyer papers are right. You must try invert the polarity of the primary to see if witch is the right side any way the right way is to leave the diode in open configuration during the pulse. You find my drawings here help Feedback winding for resonance with pll 4046 - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free The second post.

This transformer must be used with the resonant circuit http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf

Look at the first schematic on this pdf and you are going to understand why you are not able to resonate the water fuel cell with only one diode.

You actually need 3, one on the vic transformer between the charging chokes and another two connected to at least 2 water capacitor cells. The ground must be shared and between the to cells and you need two coils with thick wire to resonate. i'm trying to buy Sm cobalt magnets for my project to see what happens but they cost +-2500 euros for my two cells i'm trying to find best prices ;( Hope someone want to help my project.

Look for ferroresonance and core saturation.

I'm constructing it yet but i was thinking... i believe it will not work with very low power because you need to build up enough current recirculation to create a very high voltage to be able to ionize the water instantaneously to be able to it self-sustain the oscillation. Like negative resistance.

Hope that helps friends

[pmazz850]

VIC Core

I just pulled apart an old GM HEI coil I had laying around and the EI core seems to be about the right size. It actually looks exactly like Meyers. The only thing is it is "gapped". Has about a 1 mm gap. Can a gapped core be used for the VIC? I could always grind it down to remove the gap but I would rather not do that. Can the VIC be made on a rod instead of an EI core, And still work properly? Or should it be an EI core?

[h20power]

I noticed that the series resonant diagram DOES NOT JIVE with the Parallel Resonant calculations in the patents. Here is why
It Is A partially Series Connected/Parallel Inductor Capacitor circuit. I will explain:
When the bifilar chokes are wound identically turn for turn in each of their 14 cavities, And Wound on the same core, in the same direction, AND being made of a ferromagnetic alloy iron (with 22 ohms per foot) Not only are they connected a special way IN SERIES... but they quadruple the inductance, which in turn also adds to the magnetic lines of flux that are self induced, in combination with the core of steel (E_E) But because the DRAWING shows the connections of the internal coils of the VIC ( the first 2 are the chokes) as a series circuit, everyone assumes that the electrical calculations apply for a SERIES LC CIRCUIT!
But... thats not the case. WHEN the entire VIC Coil is assembled, the connections to the WFC, it is actually a PARALLEL LC CIRCUIT... which at resonance gives very low current and super high voltage.

Combine that with the 1/2 AC Sine Wave pulses and the capacitive effects of the Spiral Wound Pancake secondarys side by side.... we have an exotic transformer that does exactly what stan said it would !

Alloy steel being 430FR is not a bid factor, it can be any (modern) alloy that has high resistance per foot ( to keep the choke coils within the actual bobbin design) and that has STRONG magnetic attraction... this is very important because of the " electron bounce phenomena" he spoke about... theres some magic in the magnetic fields aiding magnetically and opposing current at the same time!

the first person to put the VIC together with matching inductances (considering that the chokes are connected in a way to make the inductance 4X) and use the right wire and core size.... will have it working properly. The key to NOT ARCING in the WFC is the speed of the pulses. THE FREQUENCY and TIME PERIOD. If the voltage pulse is on and off faster than the time it takes for current to bridge the gap, thee will be NO current flow.... but i still think the VIC is required technology or you will just get normal electrolysis.
thats my story and im sticking to it!

Interestingly the WFC will not work without the electron extraction circuit(EEC) with that being said I will tell how it works right now. Water is a very stable molecule and it likes to be that way, when the voltage is switched on this stable arangment is disterbed and the natrual equilibrium of water is set out of ballance when the voltage is switch off and the EEC is turned on. How? Most of us has seen with our own eyes that in a pulsed system of electrolysis that the hho gas is being produced right in the center of the plates or tubes and that is showing that the ions meet in the middle. Now with the EEC this equalibrium is disterbed for one side makes the journy to the center and the other side gets consumed by the EEC. Here is an analogy that can help everyone to understand; You have shown up for a blind date and the blind date pulled a no show, for she got another date that she desided to go on just after you called her to confirm your date. Now your upset and leave the area. That little story is what is going on with the equilibrium of the water molecule with Stanley Meyers' full pulsing unit meaning the EEC is in the circuit. For as just after the ions left for the trip to the middle one of the ions got a call to come back that they couldn't refuse.

In short this is what I am saying if you build the VIC transformer and match it up to a WFC but your circuit does not have an EEC in it, it will not work! The systems that are simular are the Gas Processor and the Water Fuel Capacitor, the injectors work on a different princable.

And I'd like to say "Your Welcome" to Oneminde, I am just doing what I can to help bring an end to the energy enslavement game we are all trapped in right now. For once I realized just what was going on I posted started this thread for I didn't want to be the only one who knew how it all worked. First step to getting the technology out too the masses. Second step was to make a challange after all the rules of the game had been gone over. Third step was to also get in on the challange for I want to become energy independent too, thus showing everyone I was not just trying to get people to do something I myself wasn't going to also be doing at the same time. Now the race is on to see who will be the first to become energy independent, and I am well on my way with a prototype already built and a car already in hand for the project. I had a small set back as I broke one of the prototype parts but it is being remade as I type. With the information I passed on in this thread everyone should be starting energy independence projects of their own. If they choose not to build I really can't help them for right now, and if they choose to wait for me to sell the design that just might never happen as I will have moved on just taking the new found energy independence and moved on with my life.

The one thing I have shown is I practice what I teach. Since this technology impowers the individual then I belive it is up the these individuals to seek their own path that leads them to energy independence. I can only show them the door they have to be the ones that walks through it, for I can do it for them. See everyone on the other side .


h2opower.

[pmazz850]

Thanks Tron!

[TRON]

Stan Meyers Resonant Formulas explained

I noticed that the series resonant diagram DOES NOT JIVE with the Parallel Resonant calculations in the patents. Here is why
It Is A partially Series Connected/Parallel Inductor Capacitor circuit. I will explain:
When the bifilar chokes are wound identically turn for turn in each of their 14 cavities, And Wound on the same core, in the same direction, AND being made of a ferromagnetic alloy iron (with 22 ohms per foot) Not only are they connected a special way IN SERIES... but they quadruple the inductance, which in turn also adds to the magnetic lines of flux that are self induced, in combination with the core of steel (E_E) But because the DRAWING shows the connections of the internal coils of the VIC ( the first 2 are the chokes) as a series circuit, everyone assumes that the electrical calculations apply for a SERIES LC CIRCUIT!
But... thats not the case. WHEN the entire VIC Coil is assembled, the connections to the WFC, it is actually a PARALLEL LC CIRCUIT... which at resonance gives very low current and super high voltage.

Combine that with the 1/2 AC Sine Wave pulses and the capacitive effects of the Spiral Wound Pancake secondarys side by side.... we have an exotic transformer that does exactly what stan said it would !

Alloy steel being 430FR is not a bid factor, it can be any (modern) alloy that has high resistance per foot ( to keep the choke coils within the actual bobbin design) and that has STRONG magnetic attraction... this is very important because of the " electron bounce phenomena" he spoke about... theres some magic in the magnetic fields aiding magnetically and opposing current at the same time!

the first person to put the VIC together with matching inductances (considering that the chokes are connected in a way to make the inductance 4X) and use the right wire and core size.... will have it working properly. The key to NOT ARCING in the WFC is the speed of the pulses. THE FREQUENCY and TIME PERIOD. If the voltage pulse is on and off faster than the time it takes for current to bridge the gap, thee will be NO current flow.... but i still think the VIC is required technology or you will just get normal electrolysis.
thats my story and im sticking to it!

[Oneminde]

HO2Powera magic momenth2opowerhow (maybe).

Firt of all, moste people are lazy and moste people dont know how or dont have the time to site down and spend hours upon hours researching this or dont have the possibilety to do so - that is the truth no matter what we belive in or whant to believe, but what separates moste people from thos doing so is the lack of will to do so. Moste people just dont care -yes it is a sad world but we, the pople of change must realize this. We (meaning you and everybody here) are the change, we are the ones that are going to see to it that this technology hits the market and it will be done in two ways.
One of them is this tread - the second is a service where a company or several manufactor the system. Not becose if greed but becose whitout it there is no change it will hit the masses on a large scale. You know it and i know it - and as some one said; To defit your enemy, you must become your enemy! (not litterly).
Either you will or someone ells will start this company. But no worrys, the action is set in motion, it is alleady happening as i am wring this - for i know so. I do not need to write this, heck i do not even need to be here as a member - but i am not the enemy, i am your friend and i am willing to do what ever it takes to make all of this possible so taht everyone can use water as a fuel source ... THAT IS MY GOAL, not to satisfy someones greed for money or power. But know that power over this will place you on the top - so you can either do this to serve the people or you can do this to change the world on a large scale... wich one is it going to be? I have made my choice. I am sick of the power consumtion made by a few, politician and greede neede people that have an ego that darkens the light that i am trying to deliver into this world and of them how believe they need to own everything in order to be free - but that is not freedom, that is a creation of hell and that my friend is the only existence of hell.
We must breake the chain of power - be the missing link, that is my message to you h2opower and everybody ells reading this - becouse we are so few and we must stick together in order to do this. Not even Myere where alone in this.

-Now whit that said it is time for my contribution;
(This is a several part contrubution so hang in there)

- Remember that my personel knowledge in this erea is limited for the moment - so be kinde if you whant to atack me . The main reason why i whanted to write this responce is something i call and IS a direct responce of the GP by Meyer.
(taken from my originel tread over @ oupower.com)

gagekko u should have the letter now. And for everybody ells how whants to know, here is the responce:

So you are gagekko, nice to here from you, now to your quesetion.

"Anyone know about using light to aid the electrolysis process? I see at one site they are claiming xenon plasma. I've heard infrared as well but am unsure about the exact wavelength needed. Also, I've read that 310 nm wavelength is helpful but I see that its a UV wavelenght and can't find any bulbs rated at 310 nm. "

It is true that i know some about using light as a source for disosiation of hydrogen and it all started whit the lightcell Myere used if you know what i am talking about?

I did an artickle on oupower called - "H.E.P.S.W" OUPower.com :: View topic - The Lövström stimulation - "H.E.P.S.W"
You did a responce there so i quess that it is time for some upgrading.

I found out that there exist two frequenses - one that turns of the covalant bonding and one that split the hydrogen atom and here are some of the responces over @ oupower.
OUPower.com :: View topic - New service for OUPower members.OUPower.com :: View topic - New service for OUPower members.Nuclear force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Negative Electricety/Cold Electrisety is something that i belive in for this system - so thank you Aaron for the Quantum key and thank you John C Bedini - E.V Grey - Tom Bearden and N.Tesla.

[TRON]

update

This is a Phase Lock Loop circuit...

[TRON]

circuits

Can anyone explain this circuit? Its something I came across in my research but I don't remember where. Looks a little complicated.

This is the Stan Meyer circuit (assembled from various sheets in the patent)that picks up the pulses from the pickup coil on the VIC transformer and regulates the frequency based on comparisons of peak currents and or voltages to stay within resonance in the LC circuit as conditions change in the water fuel cell or in the Water Spark Injector... depends on application. Search google for "stomping in clown shoes" (or use the link below) theres a guy out there who has put this basic circuit into a PC board format and is working on the schematic. Check his web site for his "Oscillation overthruster" circuit. I have read up on his circuit, but dont have the funds to buy the components or assemble the PC board.... besides with the high cost of ferric chloride to make PC boards, i may never get to it!

Stomping in Clown Shoes » WFC PLL - the Oscillation Overthruster

[pmazz850]

Circuit

Can anyone explain this circuit? Its something I came across in my research but I don't remember where. Looks a little complicated.

[TRON]

electrons

I wish to know only one thing : what is electron ?

Correct answer for that question will solve all problems of humanity and arise new ones...

we know that electrons can be controlled, that they stack up until the pressure overcomes the resistance, that they are ALWAYS negatively charged, and that they form clouds instead of orbits. They are also in a spin relationship, whatever that means.

[boguslaw]

I wish to know only one thing : what is electron ?

Correct answer for that question will solve all problems of humanity and arise new ones...

[pmazz850]

Looks very nice! Anodized perhaps?
You know, when I saw your pics with blocks you were holding on the sides I couldn't understand what they were for. Today it hit me! VERY CLEVER!!
Looks like outstanding work. Hope to see you running on water soon.
I'm working on things, but its a bit of a slower process for me. But I'm doing what i can for now. I'd like to say thanks again for all the good information and a little understanding of meyers process. Now it all makes sense to me. Its like you said, re-reading the patents, after your given explanations, reads totaly different!

[h20power]

Nice and shinny now

Hi everyone,

The Gas Processor is just about complete some assembly required:




This is showing the protective coating put on the aluminium housings.

Enjoy,

h2opower.

[h20power]

If you look at the canadian water fuel injection patent, It says that the orfices in the injector increase in size from the inner most. Also that the water is the smallest orfice, then ambient air, then exhaust gas.
So the water wouldn't be kept from coming in contact with the positive electrode, rather the negative.
H2o, you stated a wall of air surrounding the positive electrode. Would it matter either way?
I think it would be easiest to just prepare the mixtures and send the through a set of these. Quantum Technologies - Products
But who knows what they would cost. There doesn't seem to be any sales links so one would have to contact them.

I have already gone over this in detail here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post50985

And here is a company where you can buy the whole units: Alternative Fuel CNG Engine Conversion LPG Hydrogen Erdgas

Using units in this fasion you still need the Gas Processor, the main differance is the hho producing device has to be set up to maintain a given pressure for the injector throughout the rpm rangs of the engine, so any hho producing device will work. And you should make Stanley Meyer's quenching circuit to protech the hho producing device.

The Gas Processor is the missing ingrediant BMW and Ford didn't have in there designs as a result they had to use a high amout of hydrogen and a blower to suck in enough oxygen to complete combustion. Understanding that the Gas Processor is the key to using water as a fuel source is something they don't know about. There are many ways to run a car off of water I am only going over a few ways it can be done. But the key to all of this is the Gas Processor, for it is something you can not do without.

Hope this helped some,

h2opower.

[TRON]

another injector design

If you look at the canadian water fuel injection patent, It says that the orfices in the injector increase in size from the inner most. Also that the water is the smallest orfice, then ambient air, then exhaust gas.
So the water wouldn't be kept from coming in contact with the positive electrode, rather the negative.
H2o, you stated a wall of air surrounding the positive electrode. Would it matter either way?
I think it would be easiest to just prepare the mixtures and send the through a set of these. Quantum Technologies - Products
But who knows what they would cost. There doesn't seem to be any sales links so one would have to contact them.

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/u...jectorDWG1.jpg