Water Sparkplug

[topangler81]

when this plasma circuit installed how much power you gain?
YouTube - plasma spark plug testing.
YouTube - plasma spark just before battery exploded
check this video. i capture this just before my battery exploded. some plasma effect. only recorded with my mobile phone.

[Jetijs]

I don't really know about the transformers, so far transformers from old UPS have worked for me, but they are big, a bit an overkill for this project since overall power consumption is 50w max. I tried some small 50VA transformers, but they had the frequency issue, did not work on higher than 100Hz. The best choice would be a ferrite transformer since they can be driven at higher frequencies, can handle lots of power and are small in size. But I don't know where to get those, you probably would need to wind your own coils on ferrite cores.

[topangler81]

Hi
Yes, those 45 Ohm resistors get pretty hot, get at least 10watt resistors then you should do fine. Even though the resistors get got, the oscillator consumes only about 600mA in no load condition, but that also depends on the transformer used.
Good luck!

i wonder why there heat since its only consumes 600mA. about transformer i will use an 12v to 240v transformer in reverse. what are the best transformer for this application.

[Jetijs]

Hi Jetijs. Are they high watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

Hi
Yes, those 45 Ohm resistors get pretty hot, get at least 10watt resistors then you should do fine. Even though the resistors get got, the oscillator consumes only about 600mA in no load condition, but that also depends on the transformer used.
Good luck!

[nvisser]

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Aljhoa
Thank you for posting it here. I removed the post as I found that it was at the wrong thread in the middle of a squabble and I was looking for the right place to post it when I found your post.
Do you think the idea can work? If so I will add all the components and build it .
I have got a friend with a 100 plate Boyce cell that produce about 12 lpm on brute force 150V dc and I am sure it is enough to run his 5 kva generator if I can safely get rid of the waste spark.

[topangler81]

Hi Jetijs. Are they high watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

[topangler81]

Hi Jetijs. Are they hi watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

[topangler81]

i will try to replicate your work, its very simple circuit . hope it will work fine this time. the explosion yesterday still freak me out . my ears still bit deft.

[Jetijs]

That is just the bridge rectifier that I had in stock. Smaller diodes also should work fine, I used it just to be sure

[topangler81]

why that you use 10 amp diodes for the rectifier?. is the circuit draw that much amps?

[Jetijs]

The larger gap, the more voltage is needed to jump the gap. Usually it takes about 3000v for the arc to jump through 1mm of air. If the air gap is 2mm, then about 6000V are needed. Of course even more voltage is needed to jump across 1mm at higher pressures like in the combustion chamber. But if your gap is about 1mm, then 15kV worth of diodes should be enough

[topangler81]

I think you can use your transformer, but see if it works on higher than 50/60Hz frequency. I had a problem one that my oscillator eas working on about 4KHz, but the output could not handle a load more than 10W. Turned out that the problem was the too high frequency. A transformer from an old UPS should work fine at higher frequencies. A string of 15 diodes in series should be enough if the gap between you spark plug electrodes is not bigger than say 2mm. And you need one 15 diode string for each spark plug. You can also use microwave diodes, this saves a lot of space, they handle 12kV at 500mA.

is larger gap need more diodes or less?

[topangler81]

i think that i will use larger capacitor value to reduce the oscillating frequency. now i using 65 diodes on my diodes string. hope this will not exploding the battery again

[Jetijs]

I think you can use your transformer, but see if it works on higher than 50/60Hz frequency. I had a problem one that my oscillator eas working on about 4KHz, but the output could not handle a load more than 10W. Turned out that the problem was the too high frequency. A transformer from an old UPS should work fine at higher frequencies. A string of 15 diodes in series should be enough if the gap between you spark plug electrodes is not bigger than say 2mm. And you need one 15 diode string for each spark plug. You can also use microwave diodes, this saves a lot of space, they handle 12kV at 500mA.

[topangler81]

very simple oscillator circuit. at the circuit can i use an old 12v to 240 transformer? i think want to use it in reverse so it can produce 240v. and also ignition coil produce an high voltage, is 15 of 1N5408 enough to block the high voltage?
you using 15 diodes per spark plug of just one string to all 4 spark plug. sorry lots of questions i ask. just to make sure.