Water Sparkplug

[revizal]

New Video (Plasma on SUV)

Hi All,

YouTube - Plasma Ignition on SUV

Inspired of Greg, Mike (with Vexus) and Bill (with Nexus), I make a first of test the plasma ignition booster on 2400 cc 4 cylinder SUV engine. Basically I used Tero's circuit (later I prefer to use Vexus on it) still with 47 uF 400 Volt capacitor. I only connect the plasma booster to the spark no 1. The spark runs without misfire on low RPM (about 500 RPM on the video). I could not show the spark on high RPM on the video, but off the record of my camera it's no misfire on high RPM.

My purpose is to runs the vehicle with plasma booster on daily usage and observe the effect. Thank you for all support information from the forum.

Rev.

[Aaron]

increase ohms reduces resistance?

How is resistance reduced by adding ohms?

[Ansis Freimanis]

Hi!

About, sound. It is good known. The blast sound is happening when discharge reach the sound barrel. It is about 343 m/s. This also equates to 1235 km/h, 767 mph, 1125 ft/s and, nothing more. Inductor in series with plug reducing resistance, and energy of discharge- lowering. Result is less sound.
P.S. I am sorry....

[Aaron]

silent plasma effect

Gibs,

Yes on the water. It makes a larger soundless burst. Sound or lack of sound really does add a lot to the effect.

To everyone, I just hope this stirs and stimulates the deepest penetrating and creative insights that you have about this subject.

However, focusing on the beneficial applications that Greg and Jetijs and others are starting to show, that in my opinion is definitely more important because it is a right now benefit.

Anyway, thanks and glad you enjoyed. Yes T, it does crash a few ideas.

This vid was taken about 2 months ago or so when I had to validate a few things for my own satisfaction. I'm satisfied and am now watching the pro engineers work it out. I'm confident they/you all will be able to easily benefit by this open source technology project. I feel really privileged to see this unfold right here, right now.

[Gibs]

With/without choke

Hi everyone,

...Here is one I did a couple months ago and never posted.
It is SILENT with just as big of a burst of light and effect:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition | With current restriction

I used a choke that was made of a spool of magnet wire.
It limited current on the ground side of the spark plug.
It make just as bright of bursts but with no noise at all except
for a little sound..most of the sound is the wire jiggling on
the spool since it isn't tied down.

Interesting vid Aaron,

Have you tried to spray water in both set-up?
That would bring us good infos about the explosive power difference.

[tstorey]

Thanks Aaron

good post since it blows all the theories to he%$.

I have held that the shock wave/sound emission is the discharge hitting the atmosphere with such force the compression was causing the pop.

With the choke we have a large photon emission without the shock wave.

In a way it might support the "two different events that are not specifically related" theory.

Lee has proven the discharge hits the atmosphere at a very high velocity and I agree. This speed perhaps causes a compression shock wave and the sound emission.

Then we have the photon emission as a separate event.

Did the choke slow down the discharge?

Did the choke shrink the discharge?

The choke eliminated the compression wave.....? Wait a second...is there a compression wave or is the there an explosion that causes a sudden expansion and the shock wave?

Just another minute, if there is an explosion...where is the heat?

Maybe we stick with the choke causing the shock wave that we are not sure about to slow down so much it no longer makes noise and the "effect" is still intact...

Or there is a third element that we are unaware of. Good stuff.


Thanks again.

[Gibs]

Choke

Hey Gibs,

Thanks, testing and posting results is the only way we will obtain "perfect circuit" status...

...Let me know if that covers what you had in mind. The more we try, the more we figure out!

...Stay tuned for whatever happens next!.......................Mike

Hi Mike, thanks for performing these important tests.

My purpose was to use the coil induction in series with the dump cap to delay the drastic charge breakdown, but it seems that this breakdown might be part of the effect that we are looking for. Maybe we will learn some more with the Aaron choke experiment.

YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition | With current restriction

Keep up the good work.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,
Here is one I did a couple months ago and never posted.
It is SILENT with just as big of a burst of light and effect:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition | With current restriction

I used a choke that was made of a spool of magnet wire.
It limited current on the ground side of the spark plug.
It make just as bright of bursts but with no noise at all except
for a little sound..most of the sound is the wire jiggling on
the spool since it isn't tied down.

Very interesting Aaron.

Thanks for posting it.

So maybe we have a new kind of light source that may consumes mostly voltage since the choke limited the amps.

Wouldn't that be great

Luc

[Aaron]

NEW old plasma ignition vids posted - SILENT PLASMA

Hi everyone,

Little by little I'll post some vids that were yanked down originally in addition to posting some vids that are old but I never posted.

Here is one that I did post before on my booster cap circuit:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition| Booster Caps

Here is one I did a couple months ago and never posted.
It is SILENT with just as big of a burst of light and effect:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition | With current restriction

I used a choke that was made of a spool of magnet wire.
It limited current on the ground side of the spark plug.
It make just as bright of bursts but with no noise at all except
for a little sound..most of the sound is the wire jiggling on
the spool since it isn't tied down.

[gmeast]

very exciting

Hello all,

Just completed another bench test run for 30 minutes continuous at 2,250 rpm. Closely related to highway speed at cruising. Ambient temperature today = 92.5 degrees F. Temperatures on ALL components pretty much peaked within the first ten minutes of operation and never went a single degree higher throughout the remainder of the test.

Here's the setup: discharge caps = three oil filled MW caps wired parallel, total capacitence = 2.5uF, lowest voltage rating of the 3 is 1,750VAC
MAX recorded temp = 96.5 deg. F. at top of caps

Voltage TRIPLER using three electrolytic caps 120uF 450V and three 1N5408 diodes, 1000V rated at 3A, voltage output = 460VDC
MAX recorded temp = 98 deg. F. at top of 1st cap. Cascading temp drop to 3rd cap in circuit at 93 deg. F.
Diodes remained at same temp throughout test.

Storage cap between tripler circuit and resistor is 15uF 450V
MAX recorded temp = 98 deg. F. at top of cap

Resistor used is 100 watt bulb = 10.4 ohms
Well lit, continuous brightness fluctuations throughout test.

HV blocking diodes at each spark plug are NTE517, 15KV rated at 550mA. Used two diodes parallel at each plug. Spec sheet says operating range is up to 302 deg. F.
MAX recorded temp = 120 deg. F. at cathode end, anode end varied from 5 to 10 degrees cooler than cathode end

Spark plugs are "COPPER MARINE" by Champion 827 M L76V
MAX recorded temp = 99 deg. F.

And when I sprayed water mist on the plugs..........OH MY GOD!!! The intensity went to "WAY COOL" I will shoot another video tomorrow, until then, yall have a good evenin'.....................................Mike

Hi Mike,

This is wonderful news. It's good to know that this circuit is not only forgiving but stable with so many variables. Simple is so nice! Await your video.

Thanks Mike,

Greg

[jstadwater]

Latest VexUs test results......

Hello all,

Just completed another bench test run for 30 minutes continuous at 2,250 rpm. Closely related to highway speed at cruising. Ambient temperature today = 92.5 degrees F. Temperatures on ALL components pretty much peaked within the first ten minutes of operation and never went a single degree higher throughout the remainder of the test.

Here's the setup: discharge caps = three oil filled MW caps wired parallel, total capacitence = 2.5uF, lowest voltage rating of the 3 is 1,750VAC
MAX recorded temp = 96.5 deg. F. at top of caps

Voltage TRIPLER using three electrolytic caps 120uF 450V and three 1N5408 diodes, 1000V rated at 3A, voltage output = 460VDC
MAX recorded temp = 98 deg. F. at top of 1st cap. Cascading temp drop to 3rd cap in circuit at 93 deg. F.
Diodes remained at same temp throughout test.

Storage cap between tripler circuit and resistor is 15uF 450V
MAX recorded temp = 98 deg. F. at top of cap

Resistor used is 100 watt bulb = 10.4 ohms
Well lit, continuous brightness fluctuations throughout test.

HV blocking diodes at each spark plug are NTE517, 15KV rated at 550mA. Used two diodes parallel at each plug. Spec sheet says operating range is up to 302 deg. F.
MAX recorded temp = 120 deg. F. at cathode end, anode end varied from 5 to 10 degrees cooler than cathode end

Spark plugs are "COPPER MARINE" by Champion 827 M L76V
MAX recorded temp = 99 deg. F.

And when I sprayed water mist on the plugs..........OH MY GOD!!! The intensity went to "WAY COOL" I will shoot another video tomorrow, until then, yall have a good evenin'.....................................Mike

[gmeast]

Mot

Hey Gibs,

Thanks, testing and posting results is the only way we will obtain "perfect circuit" status. I tried inserting a MOT, not sure where it needs to be. These tests w/22uF discharge cap. In-line on the neg. side of the discharge cap to the diodes, kills the plasma event, only regular spark. Same result in the pos side of cap to engine block, no plasma. Those two attempts were with the light bulb still hooked up as a resistor. Inserted MOT in place of resistor (light bulb), notable increase in plasma intensity, still builds heat in the cap and diodes very quickly. Inserted MOT in-line pos side of voltage doubler output to discharge cap, no change noticed. Same for neg. side of doubler output to discharge cap. The only other place I can think to insert it would be before the voltage doubler circuit. Don't think it will change anything, as it didn't inserted in the output side. Let me know if that covers what you had in mind. The more we try, the more we figure out!

The 100 watt light bulb measures 10.2 ohms, the MOT primary is 1.1 ohms. I guess that's why the spark intensity increased with the MOT. I still like the lower capacitence level, I think I will triple the voltage now instead of just doubled. Stay tuned for whatever happens next!.......................Mike

Hi Mile,

Did you measure the resistance on the MOT. It's probably pretty low ... probably lower than the bulb or any resistor that's been used. All that's happening is that the (TOO) low resistance is letting longer term power flow from the supply and/or the starage Cap. The idea with this circuit is to charge the CDI (dump) Cap up only long enough to catch a full charge for your highest required frequency. When the plug fires, the CDI Cap discharges and a minimum amount of wasted power flows from the storage Cap. If you go too low then you will start to melt plugs ... it will just continually arc.

I designed VexUs to be customized around this RC relationship, R1 and C1. The addition of an inductor where R1 is (with the proper computed resistance, or resistor in series) can clamp down on the storage Cap current flow thereby increasing the circuit's efficiency and lowering heat everywhere. (insane4evr suggested this)

You can 'overdrive' the VexUs circuit to the point where it no longer provides any benefits.

I hope this helps and keeps everyone from undue frustrations.

Thanks for posting the ladders.

Peace,

Greg

[jstadwater]

That's COOL Jetijs!!

We can build on 7% for sure! Thanks for posting your circuit too, I will also be testing a similar animal soon here in the shop. You just gave me a good place to start, thank you.

I now have turned my rpm down to 2,100, about average turns for cruising speed. I hooked up another old, oil cap in parallel, 1.06uF + .72uF = 1.78uF. I also just added a Storage cap hooked up on the tripler circuit side of the resistor bulb, that's where it goes right? 15uF 450V (that's real tight running 460V, I know) it's the highest V one I have. Voltage tripler uses three 120uF 450V caps, so, my total available capacitence output is 40uF right? Should be safe to use the a 15uF for storage, I hope. I know I hooked up a 470uF for storage cap one time when I was only using doubler a while back. I guess it tried to pull too much from the doubler circuit and smoked the whole thing, screwed up the caps and the diodes. I'm always frying something. Anyway, back to testing, will be time for another video soon......................................Mike

[dllabarre]

Hi DonL, I use ordinary electrolytic caps for the voltage doubler/tripler and some pulse caps for the smaller capacity. I bought my pulse caps from ebay.

Hope this helps.

Helps a lot.

Thank you,
DonL

[Jetijs]

Hi DonL, I use ordinary electrolytic caps for the voltage doubler/tripler and some pulse caps for the smaller capacity. I bought my pulse caps from ebay. I use these:
1uF 400V PETP CAPACITORS. K73-16. Lot of 18 - eBay (item 380072916841 end time Oct-21-08 16:37:27 PDT)

I just noticed, that these are 400V caps, I somehow thought that they should be rated for 1000V. And I loaded them with 650V It is good that nothing happened to them. They handled 650V with no problems and no heat
Hope this helps.