Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[John_Bedini]

Big Bedini Machine

John K,
You should not be intimated by me, say what you want, I'm all ears. Mathew should also say what he wants to me here as I'm all ears. I do not believe in skype or I would talk on it. I have enough problems with my computer. I do not even like answering E-mails for that reason. I'm not mad at anybody. So come on Mathew let's here what you half to say. Then I will tell you what I found out about ED's theorys. Mathew, I did not get to talk to you at the conference but I would have liked to.
I like talking to everybody because you never know what is going to pop up. The only reason to have gone to that conference for me was to show it could be done if the resources are available. I'm not into a mystical science I like to prove things with working models.
John

Hi Aaron,

I have to be honest, I underestimated your experience and intelligence. Sorry for that.

Anyhow, let's move on.

I did the ring magnet experiment and you are right. The cylindrical neos tend to stop where they want to. They don't seem to stop in a particular place all the time.

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

I'm glad I was corrected, otherwise I would have glued all of the neos onto the ferrites for no reason.

I'll end with this quote:

Success is the result of good judgment.
Good judgment is the result of experience.
Experience is often the result of bad judgment.
- Anthony Robbins


John K.

[BrentA929]

Magnets

John K,

As luck would have it, I too have tried again this morning to find out that it was ONLY occurring with the first ceramic that I tried. Seems now that the neo will go to the middle just like its suppose to on the other three ceramics that I had laying around.

Guess I need to look up casting...


Thanks, Brent

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

I'm glad I was corrected, otherwise I would have glued all of the neos onto the ferrites for no reason.

[i_ron]

TO ALL



All the monopole builders have had this all along if they would just understand what the energy is, but nope must use the meters to find where the current is when you have been told that current is not what your looking for and that is not what charges the battery.

John B[/SIZE]

John,

In that motor in the video I am switching at TDC.

Yet in an earlier version I had to start it around TDC but then at speed it would take off as I moved the opto along way from TDC and reach a much greater speed. Not only that it would charge both batteries!

Help, what was I doing and how do I achieve some consistency here? Now it reaches a given speed and only slows down when I move the opto...?

When you say 23 degrees is this a generic figure or does the build effect this number?

But, is this the key to the radiant?

Thanks

Ron P

[Armagdn03]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

You have my attention.

[Jetijs]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

Sounds awesome!
Please post diagrams ASAP

[redrichie]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

[Aaron]

@John

The neos stay in the centre wherever I place them, they don't turn on their own accord.

If you had them on a wheel and spun the wheel, you might see it.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about having to get them to turn on their
own - as long as you're moving forward, that is all that matters.

RedRichie just posted something very exciting in my opinion and I think
everything will get more exciting very soon

[Aaron]

@RedRichie

No aaron The field spins. Like a vortex, just like you showed in those pictures with the statue.
GordyP made a small motor yesterday using the PMH as the driver. It is 4 alternating pole ceramics on basically a CD using a VCR bearing. Was just to test functionality. He found a small reed that fires only on the south poles like a Hall. it worked great. the pmh fired every other side, pulsing the opposing pole. So essentially it was only on half the time but had a pretty good amount of torque compared to other pulse motors we have made in the past. If we had another PMH out of phase it would have really spun. or another reed to reverse the polarities. Im sure he will post video as soon as he tidies it up. So this does work as a motor as long as you have a switch.

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.
Could someone please tell me if im way off base in my last 2 posts

This sounds great! If you can post diagrams, schematic of switch, etc...,
I think you and Cody might be the first to figure out John's axle motor.

The concept you explain makes sense but if everyone can see visual
diagrams, that makes a huge difference.

[John_K]

Hi Aaron,

The neos stay in the centre wherever I place them, they don't turn on their own accord.

I tried pulsing like you said but the neo did not move. I tried various different angles and the neo didn't seem to move at all on the ceramic. (the ceramic and neo do get thrown off the top of the coil when I pulse it though)

As per your edit, the magnets maybe too small to see the effect.

I imagine that they should turn according to the magnetic spins though. I did do the experiment John B showed on the EFTV DVD with the Faraday motor which did teach me that the North and South magnets do spin in opposite directions.


John K.

What you're seeing is imperfections but do you think the neos are turned
on the GT3 wheel because of that?

You say they are staying in the center but are they staying so all the
edges are parallel with the edges of the ceramic magnet or are they turned
at an angle while keeping their own center over the ceramic magnet
center?

If they are square, then watch what happens when a coil is pulsed
on the north face of the ceramic. Does the neo still stay square with the
ceramic or does it turn?

Remember that the neo is not restricted in its movement.

If it moves when the coil is pulsed on the N face, do you think it turns
because of casting problems in the magnet?

edit: on smaller magnets and coils, the effect may not be as pronounced
as it is on a giant machine.

[redrichie]

No aaron The field spins. Like a vortex, just like you showed in those pictures with the statue.
GordyP made a small motor yesterday using the PMH as the driver. It is 4 alternating pole ceramics on basically a CD using a VCR bearing. Was just to test functionality. He found a small reed that fires only on the south poles like a Hall. it worked great. the pmh fired every other side, pulsing the opposing pole. So essentially it was only on half the time but had a pretty good amount of torque compared to other pulse motors we have made in the past. If we had another PMH out of phase it would have really spun. or another reed to reverse the polarities. Im sure he will post video as soon as he tidies it up. So this does work as a motor as long as you have a switch.

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.
Could someone please tell me if im way off base in my last 2 posts

[Aaron]

neos

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

What you're seeing is imperfections but do you think the neos are turned
on the GT3 wheel because of that?

You say they are staying in the center but are they staying so all the
edges are parallel with the edges of the ceramic magnet or are they turned
at an angle while keeping their own center over the ceramic magnet
center?

If they are square, then watch what happens when a coil is pulsed
on the north face of the ceramic. Does the neo still stay square with the
ceramic or does it turn?

Remember that the neo is not restricted in its movement.

If it moves when the coil is pulsed on the N face, do you think it turns
because of casting problems in the magnet?

edit: on smaller magnets and coils, the effect may not be as pronounced
as it is on a giant machine.

[John_K]

Hi Aaron,

I have to be honest, I underestimated your experience and intelligence. Sorry for that.

Anyhow, let's move on.

I did the ring magnet experiment and you are right. The cylindrical neos tend to stop where they want to. They don't seem to stop in a particular place all the time.

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

I'm glad I was corrected, otherwise I would have glued all of the neos onto the ferrites for no reason.

I'll end with this quote:

Success is the result of good judgment.
Good judgment is the result of experience.
Experience is often the result of bad judgment.
- Anthony Robbins


John K.

Yes - of course! I love your contributions John and don't think you or
anyone else in this thread is here to cause trouble. This is a very talented
group of builders and I have a lot of respect for people that actually do
the experiments.

I don't post much in this thread because I like to watch from a distance
what everyone's progress is. But when I do post, I'm not posting
an opinion - I already know the answer and am trying to help everyone get
it.

Anyway, I wanted people to know the magnets position themselves, which
was no secret since it had already been discussed. Some of what your
experiments show is because of imbalances in the magnet from how they
were made, which is very common. You almost can't find two alike, they're
almost like fingerprints. Not as much variation but you get the point.

Go take a ceramic ring magnet of maybe 3-4 inches in diameter. Then
put some small 3/8 or so diameter neo round magnets on the edge, put
two of them next to each other so they spring apart and you have mickey
mouse with the head and 2 ears or a water molecule. Now, pull one round
magnet along the edge to the other side 180 degrees for example and
let go, it will zip back around to where it likes to sit. It is not perfectly
equal or symmetrical anyway. Anyway, spent too many hours on those
experiments. Put enough small ones around it and you can see how the
field is biased.

Anyway, what you see in the pic I posted is effects of the magnetic field
spiraling. That is how it likes to move. Put on the magnets and then spin
the wheel and watch what happens. That isn't from how the magnets
are made.

It's my own flaw that I get frustrated when I post a fact and am debated
on it - I know it is sometimes taken as an opinion. My aggressive drive
is because I feel a very strong sense of urgency - time is at
hand. I'm not working on this stuff for entertainment (not saying you are
either) - I'm doing this as if my life depended on it, literally. Seriously,
I put my heart into it as if each day is the last day of my life. This attitude
has blessed me beyond words and getting favor from the universe isn't
about being a saint - I've proven that.

@All,

Anyway, if anyone knows erfinder, I'll activate his account if he wants
it activated. I don't blame him if he never wants to see this forum for
the rest of his life. I apologize I was so aggressive with him. I knew
I was stating a fact even though he thought I was stating an opinion
and dismissed my honoring the math and providing the answer of a level.

I had to nip it in the bud because I didn't want a bunch of people going
down the wrong path of trying to analyze the interior design of Masonic
Lodge's trying to find more clues to Leedskalnin's work and people in this
field tend to get sidetracked into a lot of stuff that just wastes time.
Pretty soon, there are masonicmagnetics.com, lodgecurrents.com and
you name it and a whole following of people trying to decipher tea leaves
and what have you in order to see what Leedskalnin is saying instead
of just doing the EXACT experiments that John suggested. I'm not saying
anyone contributing to this thread would go off on that path but stranger
things have been known to happen.

Anyone can PM me if they know that erfinder wants back in. He took
the time and money to go to the conference and I want him to get as
much as he can out of the experience and what is to be offered here.

The more that is built and shown by more and more people, the more
that is brought to the surface.

In the end, I hope we can all be friends and we'll move forward faster
together than apart.

[Aaron]

@John K

Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.

Yes - of course! I love your contributions John and don't think you or
anyone else in this thread is here to cause trouble. This is a very talented
group of builders and I have a lot of respect for people that actually do
the experiments.

I don't post much in this thread because I like to watch from a distance
what everyone's progress is. But when I do post, I'm not posting
an opinion - I already know the answer and am trying to help everyone get
it.

Anyway, I wanted people to know the magnets position themselves, which
was no secret since it had already been discussed. Some of what your
experiments show is because of imbalances in the magnet from how they
were made, which is very common. You almost can't find two alike, they're
almost like fingerprints. Not as much variation but you get the point.

Go take a ceramic ring magnet of maybe 3-4 inches in diameter. Then
put some small 3/8 or so diameter neo round magnets on the edge, put
two of them next to each other so they spring apart and you have mickey
mouse with the head and 2 ears or a water molecule. Now, pull one round
magnet along the edge to the other side 180 degrees for example and
let go, it will zip back around to where it likes to sit. It is not perfectly
equal or symmetrical anyway. Anyway, spent too many hours on those
experiments. Put enough small ones around it and you can see how the
field is biased.

Anyway, what you see in the pic I posted is effects of the magnetic field
spiraling. That is how it likes to move. Put on the magnets and then spin
the wheel and watch what happens. That isn't from how the magnets
are made.

It's my own flaw that I get frustrated when I post a fact and am debated
on it - I know it is sometimes taken as an opinion. My aggressive drive
is because I feel a very strong sense of urgency - time is at
hand. I'm not working on this stuff for entertainment (not saying you are
either) - I'm doing this as if my life depended on it, literally. Seriously,
I put my heart into it as if each day is the last day of my life. This attitude
has blessed me beyond words and getting favor from the universe isn't
about being a saint - I've proven that.

@All,

Anyway, if anyone knows erfinder, I'll activate his account if he wants
it activated. I don't blame him if he never wants to see this forum for
the rest of his life. I apologize I was so aggressive with him. I knew
I was stating a fact even though he thought I was stating an opinion
and dismissed my honoring the math and providing the answer of a level.

I had to nip it in the bud because I didn't want a bunch of people going
down the wrong path of trying to analyze the interior design of Masonic
Lodge's trying to find more clues to Leedskalnin's work and people in this
field tend to get sidetracked into a lot of stuff that just wastes time.
Pretty soon, there are masonicmagnetics.com, lodgecurrents.com and
you name it and a whole following of people trying to decipher tea leaves
and what have you in order to see what Leedskalnin is saying instead
of just doing the EXACT experiments that John suggested. I'm not saying
anyone contributing to this thread would go off on that path but stranger
things have been known to happen.

Anyone can PM me if they know that erfinder wants back in. He took
the time and money to go to the conference and I want him to get as
much as he can out of the experience and what is to be offered here.

The more that is built and shown by more and more people, the more
that is brought to the surface.

In the end, I hope we can all be friends and we'll move forward faster
together than apart.

[Matthew Jones]

John B, Aaron,
I was only just posting what I observed from the experiments I did and drew my own conclusions. I am quite happy to be corrected when I'm wrong and rethink what I saw as I was seeing it wrong.
Sorry if I came across a bit cocky and annoying. In future I'll think twice before posting in that tone again.
Yes, I should have been there and should have see the machine myself instead of presuming what I interpreted from the pictures and the posts of the people that were there.
I have the greatest respect for both of you and am not here to cause any trouble.
Aaron was right in that the answer I was looking for was assymetry (and non-linear) the way the neo and the ceramic are positioned.
I didn't know that John did not glue the magnets on, I falsely presumed that from the experiment I did that he must have.
I will go away and re-think and redo the experiments and continue to build as planned.
Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.

John K.

Hey John K

Its all a casting issue. Catch me on the Skype and I'll explain it to ya. It a real simple thing.

Matt

[redrichie]

Johns machine a slightly more digital (but not fully LOL) system of the same principal.. But unlike ED we are also creating and capturing that radiant spike and pulsing it at just the right time to really open that window to super charge those batteries and convert that radiant into regular usable energy.