3 Battery Generating System

[shylo]

Unusual results

Hi folks, I've been using Randy's set-up , but one of my primaries is very weak. When you hook the motor to it ,by it self ,it drops to 9.5 volts ~.
So I have 1 good primary that holds voltage ,and the other not so good.
The 3 other batteries are all dead , the 2 transducers , and the 1 that's hooked to the inverter.
I run my loads off the back end inducer , and the 1 that is supposed to run the inverter.
But I hook capacitors in parallel with those 2 ,you have to adjust ....
Still trying but getting runs that take no voltage from that one good battery I have.
I have Matts' motor running ,a stock motor running , my own motor running, and a taillight running , 2 hours later ,it doesn't change..
Definitely something here.
Sorry wish I could explain it better.
artv

[Duncan]

erfinderIf Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search... I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labour.
Nickola Tesla Part 4 of 6: Eric Dollard & Chris Carson Tesla Longitudinal Wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio - YouTube

[erfinder]

erfinderIf Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search... I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labour.
Nickola Tesla Part 4 of 6: Eric Dollard & Chris Carson Tesla Longitudinal Wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio - YouTube

Right...appreciate your assistance Duncan.....

[Duncan]

[erfinder]

Why do you keep saying hypothetical, the machine and associated effect are anything but....I didn't show a schematic.....you don't need to see one to understand my machine...a simple hall sensor triggered BJT or FET, with a recovery capacitor, and buffer capacitor across the supply is all that's needed...no PWM...circuit isn't the middle point...coil to coil interactions and inner connections are...I was asking your opinion....you have presented opinions here with less starting information....A video link was posted elsewhere...you might have watched it and got bored and blew it off...it happens...anyway....thanks for wasting your time....the pleasure was all mine...

Regards

[OrionLightShip]

Sorry Duncan, I don't see anything I said that was lampooning you. Like I said, it was my fault for misinterpreting your video.

I also said:

I'm sorry Duncan but try as I may, I am not qualified to understand the meaning of "phase reversal harmonic and overtone relationship."

I talked to erfinder at length yesterday and found him to be quite friendly, open, extremely intelligent and hiding nothing. His motor might even have significance here, yet something tells me that he may never set foot in this thread again.

It is a shame that scientific debate and discussion should be taken so seriously as to degrade into a caustic puddle. Nothing is really worth that.

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[OrionLightShip]

Splitting the Positive

Hello OrionLightShip,


I truly believe that this is related to the motor, and positive and or negative splitting aspect of the 3BGS....that's my only reason for posting this here...

Splitting the positive and negative reveals the self oscillating nature of the current(s)....

Regards

Brilliant.

This is what I always tend to forget first. This all starts with what is happening between those two positive poles.....right? or am I wrong again?

It is convenient and apparently in vogue to shout throw out the motor, but you can't really do that until you have a replacement. The motor is not the effect but rather a causative agent or catalyst. If there is a naturally occurring electric or magnetic oscillation between the positive poles then it can be augmented and explored while running a working system. Just my personal observation and the path I am actually already on.

Randy's new design has reduced this to something easily replicated by anyone...even me. I already have a working pulse motor so why not...I'm going to have to source batteries and jump in with both feet.

[tachyoncatcher]

3bgs

I think we are a bit distracted like these poor fellas:
Which way are we to go? -video-
This thread is about a motor and some batteries and the effect they have working together.
Happy Experimenting,
Randy

[Mario]

Hi all,

yesterday I run my setup with two 7Ah 12v primaries, two transducers and buffer battery, all 7Ah. My motor with same motor as generator shaft coupled was pulling about 4-4.5 A, so I put about 50W in light bulbs as a load on the buffer to balance the system.
The primaries were dropping all the time, even when balancing so that the buffer wouldn't charge or drop. After about 20 minutes the motor was so hot that its bearing melted the plastic encasing it...gone... This was a Johnson dc motor for 12V, 18000 rpm pulling 1.5 A unloaded.

The transducer batts were connected as per latest schematic, I didn't use the bifilar coil.
Don't know, maybe the load was to big for 7Ah batts. I think I'll have another run with a transformer, much easier to control with PWM.

@Matt: what do you do with the coil collapse of your pulse motors or transformers, do you recycle it or just let it collapse freely?

regards,
Mario

[Matthew Jones]

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@Matt: what do you do with the coil collapse of your pulse motors or transformers, do you recycle it or just let it collapse freely?
regards,
Mario

You got options. One thing I was looking at was more less emulating what I see coming out of the motor. There is no collapse in that case and no load just capacitor to keep a resonant state up. You also have to use a toroid as they do not get to violent about saturations.
To pulse I would just use a reverse bypass diode around the switch which should be in front of the load and let everything happen freely. I haven't tried it that way yet. If heat were an issue I might use a P channel or change the position and type back to an N to drive after the load. In that case I would just diode around the inductor back to the source.

I just got some AGM's over the weekend.

I made 3 runs yesterday. 2 of them showed charging the third failed because one of the dead batteries started charging. So I gotta keep shorted out for a bit or find some more dead batteries.

Matt

[wsxian2]

ala duncan

See the attached png.

There is some quote that I can't find related to "it has the beauty of not being tried before."

Based on what Duncan has indicated (see page 83, post 2466) this is a Wheatstone bridge circuit.

Right now there are thunderstorms prowling my area and if you remember my workspace is outside so I was out of there! But prior to this closing of my workspace I tried the circuit and I was able to run a load off of Bat 3 (60w light bulb) and the primaries and Bat 3 all seem to be ok or even gaining voltage -on a 25 minute run. Only one of the motors turned (the one without load) and it turned every so slowly!

By the way, if you reverse the polarity on Bat 3, both motors run like crazy and Bat 3 immediately goes negative. Go figure.

Preliminary results and these could definitely change (my runs may be too short) but I won't be able to do any more tonight - keeping you posted with lots of thunder here in the Far West.

[tachyoncatcher]

More Confirmation

See the attached png.

There is some quote that I can't find related to "it has the beauty of not being tried before."

Based on what Duncan has indicated (see page 83, post 2466) this is a Wheatstone bridge circuit.

Right now there are thunderstorms prowling my area and if you remember my workspace is outside so I was out of there! But prior to this closing of my workspace I tried the circuit and I was able to run a load off of Bat 3 (60w light bulb) and the primaries and Bat 3 all seem to be ok or even gaining voltage -on a 25 minute run. Only one of the motors turned (the one without load) and it turned every so slowly!

This is the 3BGS, only with a choke(the non-turning motor) between the primaries. A good result!

By the way, if you reverse the polarity on Bat 3, both motors run like crazy and Bat 3 immediately goes negative. Go figure.

Preliminary results and these could definitely change (my runs may be too short) but I won't be able to do any more tonight - keeping you posted with lots of thunder here in the Far West.

This makes perfect sense as you are no longer splitting the positive, when you reverse the battery. wsxian, you are doing a great job at replicating this. Keep up the good work!
Randy

[Duncan]

pushing on

See the attached png.

There is some quote that I can't find related to "it has the beauty of not being tried before."

Based on what Duncan has indicated (see page 83, post 2466) this is a Wheatstone bridge circuit.

Right now there are thunderstorms prowling my area and if you remember my workspace is outside so I was out of there! But prior to this closing of my workspace I tried the circuit and I was able to run a load off of Bat 3 (60w light bulb) and the primaries and Bat 3 all seem to be ok or even gaining voltage -on a 25 minute run. Only one of the motors turned (the one without load) and it turned every so slowly!

By the way, if you reverse the polarity on Bat 3, both motors run like crazy and Bat 3 immediately goes negative. Go figure.

Preliminary results and these could definitely change (my runs may be too short) but I won't be able to do any more tonight - keeping you posted with lots of thunder here in the Far West.

Perhaps this is the quote you were considering ?

Richard Buckminster FullerElla Fitzgerald sings for Memorex - YouTubeFact or Fiction?: An Opera Singer's Piercing Voice Can Shatter Glass: Scientific American

[Duncan]

www.RifeVideos.com,The Royal Rife Story, Royal Rife-In His Own Words

http://www.barkeraircraft.com/files/Pulse3_web_layout_.pdf

[Matthew Jones]

So Duncan you don't think that emulating a motors waveform with solid state electronics and inductors, so that it can be manipulated one way or the other with out rebuilding or finding a motor, is not worth doing? Because the old timers didn't need it?

Maybe I read that wrong. Its a lot of reading for sure.

Myself I cannot see just hoping the power coming out from a motor is enough. I wanna see what changes can be made and how well the changes act. The more IC transistor driven, solid state that can be used the more reliable the system will become.

Of course we are all still dependent on the dead battery. And so far there seems to be no chemical answer to that.

Matt