3 Battery Generating System

[Wallywonka]

Hi Turion,

You are extremely close to what it is you seek.

[Turion]

Wallywonka,

We believe so. Which is why we are working so hard on this. I'm sure there are folks out there who have answers already, and are not sharing, and more who are waiting in the wings to see what we come up with. If we were all involved in this together, we might be able to figure this thing out. But one way or another, we will continue down this road until we have a working system. And as long as we keep it all out in the open, those whocome after us can follow the same path.

Dave

[Duncan]

a little more head scratching for you to enjoy

Ok girls and Boys .. so here is the real reason why I suspect studying any sort of motor “ripple” is a waste of time … quite apart from the science and formula of Michael Faraday you remember
V= Eb + (Ia Ra) ?
It is rather more about the very nature of electricity. I have showed you in the video with the toroid that electricity can effectively be halved and that division is as I demonstrated along musical lines … that is harmonics and overtones, I was also at pains to point out the other magnetic aspect of this division contained in the PMH. That is it can be made dynamic. Please try not to get this division of electricity confused with lagging or leading power factors, phase angles,resonance, reflection or any of the other terms that are bandied about , These are people trying to obfuscate the harsh fact that Edward Leedskalnin was correct and electricity be it AC or DC is made up of two spiral spinning components … Like the magnetic force we are only told about one of them. Tptb hide the other and use it to create misery suffering and starvation.This question...
What is the relationship of the frequency with the fundamental in the square wave frequency response?
Is given this response
A square wave is produced by odd harmonics of a fundamental wave. So it contains the fundamental frequency plus the 3rd, 5th, 7th and so on harmonics.
On this forum

What is the relationship of the frequency with the fundamental in the square wave frequency response

I would only add to that after “harmonics” which is wrong of course because its “overtones” (but an honest mistake) ad – infinitum … as is the universe itself

So, naturalists observe, a flea Hath smaller fleas that on him prey; And these have smaller still to bit 'em; And so proceed ad infinitum. Thus every poet, in his kind, Is bit by him that comes behind.
Dean Jonathan Swift .. 1733

normally you would simply pass that by … yeah yeah, yarra yarra people have been doing so for hundreds of years, please stop and think about that answer for a moment. Or else you may be tempted to start looking at Matt's new hay stack,
here is a square wave being generated. From the fundamental by adding successive overtones

Sine Wave to Square Wave using Fourier Series - YouTube

As I have already been at pains to explain it is impossible to have a perfect square wave …. or a perfect sine wave,

Now consider for a short while the counter case …. that of the sine wave .. this is an answer given to that question

She's right. For example, just as Fourier used an infinite sum of Sine waves to recreate a square wave, you can also use an infinite sum of square waves to make a sine wave.
(What did you wager?)
on this science page

Are all waveforms made up of sine waves? : askscience

again we are considering the infinite … and it is so .. do you really find it surprising that we struggle to engineer it ? now although I seem to be having a huge amount of trouble conveying this information to you.. you are right now considering the very act of breaking the very core of what you know as Electricity in two halves …. both of which are infinite … one of which is a square wave made up of “overtones” and one of which is a Sine wave made up of harmonics. Either could be “shaped” to look like the other .. a very effective false trail .. however its the natural content under the arc which we can never see on any instrument .. that's what is of interest! A little harsh asking you to take an interest in something you can't see or test for but ...

There is no absolute scale of size in the Universe, for it is boundless towards the great and also boundless towards the small.
Oliver Heaviside



I have demonstrated this to you electrically and magnetically here it is again explained in the terms of wave forms. To expand on that a little further .. as part of the whole thing that is electricity it follows that if it isn't a harmonic then it must be an overtone … or to put this another way what does not go into the composition of a "natural" Sine wave must go into the composition of a "natural" square wave. I would suggest to you good people that this very division of electricity into two camps (overtones and harmonics) is exactly the operation your motors are crudely carrying out. The ripple which Matt seems to want you to engage with being the result of a less than perfect separation. Added to this I have long suspected Matt of being involved with dis – information for reasons I will not go into. He has been told so. Regardless of if my observation is true or not it would obviously not be very kindly received either way, and of course make things a little “prickly” not that I give a jot .. dis info agents are inevitable, they are paid hansom and they have a job to do. If I'm wrong .. I'll apologise later … much later, In the mean time lets get a little more involved in the phenomena being discussed on these science forums the results of which we are seeing in front of us “Thick theories” they may be but if they work .. is that good enough for you?
So what you refer to as a “Scalar” Is actually if you dare to view it so … very nearly a perfect square wave … all the overtones compressed into zero time. This is not resonance … it occurs at 180 deg and not 90 deg as resonance does. It is not a "reflection" as the toroid demonstration showed "by induction". It is the two different types of electricity a'la EL … on display. Either can be turned into a Wireless wave just as the harmonic structure (the sine wave) is made to be resonant into a tuned antenna and broadcast as radio waves that we are all familiar with. The trouble is we are not familiar with the action of the resonant overtone structure … It hasn't been taught … all the maths and science has been hidden, Its power has been used for evil and control. It is this resonant state of the linear wave that we are inching towards. So given that a square wave is overtones and a sine wave is harmonics what if a sine wave were to be made to resemble a square wave ? It can easily be done , cheap Inverters do it all the time , “wave shaping” But as I hope you start to understand it is not the shape of the wave that concerns us but rather what goes to make up its construction “harmonics” or “overtones” neither of which you can see on your oscilloscope all you can see is the “remains of the division” the instant algebraic sum of harmonics and overtones separating. If (and who knows I may be) you must make up your own minds,but If I was a dis-info agent I would be trying very hard to steer you towards wasting time money and effort emulating and inspecting things that do not relate, So I respectfully suggest again that in order to reproduce the action of the motor I suspect a centre tapped transformer can do it as you can see in this video which was taken whilst Tariel was in hospital after a very credible poisoning attempt on his life … as Wesley says .. Its “anti phase” … Its a 180 deg in opposition.. that is … its overtones … Its doing the same job as the motor .. Its opposite .. in opposition … Its one half of what actually makes up electricity I cant say it any clearer I don’t think! anyway watch the video and notice another similarity … The sizeable earth cable for telluric current .. If your in a big rush pick it up about the 7M mark

TARIEL KAPANADZE EVERYTHING .. WE KNOW FOR NOW..swf - YouTube

watch for the centre tap! The state of that construction .. there's hope for my building skills yet! It is the centre tap I was using (for the same reason) when I ran through the resonant points of a battery with this circuit

The Callanan's Infinite Power Supply (IPS) : Full tests report by JL Naudin

It was the centre tapped 180deg phase difference I wanted . The Push pull effect, an alternative might be a Royer oscillator or an H bridge, If you start to see these things …. and the comprehension that electricity really could be made of two half’s .. then you also start to see why the “balanced bridge” is so important … and why impedance matching on both sides is also critical (that is what Tariel is doing with that coax) Its an open line feeder .. he's jabbing through the outer sheath into the braid … until he finds a tuned state. Then he tapes it all up !As David pointed out regarding Bedini and Dollard I don’t think we are going to see Tarielmobiles either! We are going to have to exhume and expose this technology ourselfs … we are going to have to make it so very simple Joe soap can do it on his Kitchen table ! Flick through these

World's 10 most expensive energy projects - #10 - Three Gorges Dam - $28 billion (1) - CNNMoney

We have to make these stinking filthy things obsolete, And the rotten cartel’s and corporations who build these useless things with your money …. to enslave you … must be exposed and brought to account … I smell the scent of the fox even now … take a sniff fellow hounds .. then resume the chase.

[Skeptic]

Turion - I hope that you realize by now that even if my suggested "Proof of Concept" test should fail, you will never get an "I told you so" from me. Only encouragement to continue. So please do not hesitate to report any negative results along the way. It's only information to add to our knowledge.

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I have not yet run the tests, although at this point, based upon what we now know, I believe long term tests with lead acid batteries are likely to fail.

I have been up in wine country in Northern CA for four days, relaxing in a mountain cabin with friends, touring the vineyards and wine tasting. My wife is a big wine fan, and we came home with many bottles. I could take it or leave it, but she puts up with my "motor" hobby as she calls it, so I support her in the things she likes to do also. So I took four days for that, and yesterday I spent getting unpacked and organized.

I have a few things to take care of today, but I will definitely run the tests. I believe, however, that it will be necessary to run those same tests with AGM batteries in order to produce the results we want folks to see. However, I think it is important to run the tests with lead acid so we can rule them OUT of further consideration. So from THAT perspective, I believe the tests to be an important step.

Anyway, I will run those tests today, and I always report back here...both successes and failures. I have had many,MANY failures over the last five years, but I have also had some incredible runs which proved to me beyond a doubt that I am on the right track. So failure at THIS point is not a deterrent, only a sign that I took the wrong fork on the road and must backtrack and rethink my choice.

Duncan. I can assure you that Matt is not the disinformation agent you seem to believe he is. I have spent many, MANY hours talking with him on the phone and by email, and he has things working that other people on these forums would KILL to have built. He has been incredibly patient in helping me to build a few of them, so I know where his heart lies when it comes to free energy research. His theories and ideas are based on what he has SEEN from the many, many, MANY builds he has made. You two may not be in agreement on theory, but perhaps we can all achieve the same goal although we approach it from different directions.

I am just incredibly thankful that we have some folks here who will build this stuff and test it. That's the ONLY way we are ever going to figure this out.

Dave

[Duncan]

perhaps . does it really matter?

Ah well either way David … straight John Bull .. is the name of this game, you could well be right (and I sincerely hope you are) however what do you think a dis – info merchant would be like any way? A big cornet stuck out of his /her forehead with “agent “ written on it? Not doubt you have spent hours and hours on the phone … so if he's an agent then of course he'd be a pretty good one!
As I said it matters not a jot to me I explain the theory .. point to the information .. demostrate what I can .. as for machines people would “kill for” that surly should heighten your suspicions …. why aren’t they out in the big wide world forcing the change already ?
Because that should be the ambition of free energy forums ! If not then of course they are marching to the tune of a different drummer! than mine

"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured, or far away. "

Henry David Thoreau

No your welcome to your opinion .. and of course me to mine, I feel no animosity either way there is a huge power plant to be uncovered here the people will read .. digest, consider and then do what they think is right regardless, all is as it should be … I'll simply keep rooting and digging along with everybody else … putting forward possibilities and theories .. testing them and showing the results .
I think its getting near the grand finale anyway! and bless

[Zardox]

What I think a dis – info merchant would be like any way?
Someone that makes a lot of long posts pointing to a lot of other material to keep people occupied while pointing at others as the dis - info's.
Just saying - nothing meant by it.

[Duncan]

yeah right

long posts ? If you can't read though one of these posts in 10 minuets there's something very wrong with you .. and if you can't spare ten minutes then you must have the attention span of a crushed ant
The related information is in support of things all ready tested and shown “on this thread” folks can read study further or ignore the information just as they please .. so can you of course
.. I’ve just had a search for your machines and working contributions “on this thread” .. not finding very much !
Just saying .. nothing meant by it

[Skeptic]

Turion - Thanks. I'm so glad that you allowed me to contribute, and find the proof of concept testing to be useful. A successful test would be so convincing to a wider audience since it does not require detail knowledge of 3BGS, only assurance that no conventional outside energy was added during the test. Do you think a load tester would be a valid way to test AGMs?

Oh, had a small (550 maH) LiPo go postal on me Tuesday. What a show it was! Sparks and everything! Partially melted the "LiPo Firesafe" charge safety envelope it was in and filled a small room with toxic gas and smoke (held my breath to stay long enough to make sure it didn't burn the house down). can't imagine what damage my Razr Maxx 3200 maH battery would do in that situation.

[Matthew Jones]

Wow. Thats a first. You have real head problems Duncan.

We'll let you continue to rant though as that seems to be all your capable of.

Good Luck ya'll. I had good news to report but wouldn't want any of my dis info to further ruin this project.

Matt

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

No more bull****.

By now, all theories are complete bull**** to me. SHOW ME that it works for real and repeatable and will spread the news. Before that, kepping mouths shut will save everybody pages of crappy non-sense for the genaral population. No need to be sarcastic or emotional here. It's all science. It's all it is. Pseudo-science is for people with lack of intelligence and no life and/or social life and need attention. Ignorance and stupidity can drive anybody crazy about so called ''free energy devices''. Nothing is free and all the energy come from somewhere. That's my point of view. Keep up the good work guys. Someday, it will pays off. Duncan you're an intelligent man and really aware of things but really, you're talking wayyyy too much. lol

A simple question for David: Why AGM and not SLA'S ? Are'nt they the same thing? Thanks, jean.

[Matthew Jones]

So I had talk with David and cheered up. I have never been accused of being a disinformationist but what the hell let idiots ride. I can forgive them but they may not forgive themselves. Its just to bad I admire him so much for the wealth of knowledge he holds in his head.

I did a test run this morning with a set of dead batteries that I conditioned to the negative. I posted that psuedo schematic... If need be just ask I'll post an exact schematic of what I used and what can be used.

Both primary batteries charged.

To me this says bad batteries can be conditioned into the state we want them..

Contrary to popular belief I have not tested the choke system as I am waiting on Chokes from Digikey. So I have not even tried anything in my HAYSTACK yet.

BUT guarantee if it works I'll share it with ya and if doesn't well I'll share that with ya too.

Making it work is the goal, and F*ck the complexity.

Matt

[tachyoncatcher]

Middle Cap

So I had talk with David and cheered up. I have never been accused of being a disinformationist but what the hell let idiots ride. I can forgive them but they may not forgive themselves. Its just to bad I admire him so much for the wealth of knowledge he holds in his head.

I did a test run this morning with a set of dead batteries that I conditioned to the negative. I posted that psuedo schematic... If need be just ask I'll post an exact schematic of what I used and what can be used.

Both primary batteries charged.

To me this says bad batteries can be conditioned into the state we want them..

Contrary to popular belief I have not tested the choke system as I am waiting on Chokes from Digikey. So I have not even tried anything in my HAYSTACK yet.

BUT guarantee if it works I'll share it with ya and if doesn't well I'll share that with ya too.

Making it work is the goal, and F*ck the complexity.

Matt

That's awesome Matt. I too had a good run last night with cap in the middle like your drawing. Didn't get to run too long though, 2 min. Had a inverter on the buffer/s with a 150watt load. Motor kept increasing, last rpm read was 2100 rpm, meters were useless, then my inverter popped. Damn! It literally made a pop noise, no smoke or burnt electronic smell like the other ones. I was trying to get my scope hooked up at the time so I'm not sure exactly what was going on, but at the end of it all, my primaries and buffer/s were over 13v and my transducers were at 0. Good find.

Any drawing you can do would help. Heck, maybe the motor is just acting as a big, switching choke in this circuit. Kinda like what @wsxian2 was finding with his dual motor setup. I thought it was taking the reqauging magnetic field of those motors to get it done. Now I wonder. Lots to test.

Randy

[Turion]

Randy,
Ask yourself why an inverter would blow like that. It's the same thing I have seen. There is so much more voltage when this thing is working than the buffer battery can handle. And the inverter isn't made to work at more than about 16 volts. So when you are getting 18+ and the the buffer and primaries are charging, something's gotta give and it is usually the inverter. I have smoked more than a few over the last five years and that is why I have gone to the CHEAP ones. I tried using a voltage regulator off the third battery in the 3BGS, and that was a big help. I quit blowing inverters, so maybe you should consider that for your buffer. It's what I am using. I got it from the place that sells stuff for solar systems. Connect it to the buffer and the inverter to it.

Dave

[shylo]

Crazy

Well I 'm not sure and don't care.
Duncan provides lots of reading, which I only have time for about 10/.
Matt builds things.
You can draw it on paper, but building it will show you.
No matter what I've done so far ,the primaries still drop.
The runs work on a certain cycle, that is it goes up and it goes down..

If you could cycle the batteries out , on the high...that's something I'll look at.

artv