3 Battery Generating System

[a.king21]

Good news and bad news

My second run lasted for an hour.
The primaries settled at 12.67 and the secondaries started at 12.82 (3 kw) which is to be expected as they were previuously charged conventionally using an off the shelf car battery charger.
Then the system fell out of balance and ended at 12.20 primaries and 13.16 secondaries (3 kw) - conventionally charged.
So I've put the whole system in parallel so we can get a start voltage and I will run the system again to obtain a cumulative end voltage.
The system reminds me of the Benitez 4 battery system and we would do well to listen to his words. He had it figured out a century ago.

Meanwhile as a worthwhile distraction here is one guy who seems to have figured it out.
Self Running -1000 Watt Fuel Less Generator by air2gas

Those of us in the US might find it worthwhile to buy a system.

[Turion]

Loads

A.king21,
It has never been about the loads. I have run MASSIVE loads on this setup. It has always been about balance. I love what RAndy has done by adding that second transducer battery and the buffer battery. I can just use the buffer battery to balance my system. In fact, we could use a chip and a Stamp to read the voltage in the buffer and increase the load on the inverter, balancing the system for us.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

Jealous

Hey Randy,
I've been away so long without my "fix", the lady,the monster, the feeling, that I'm almost able to behave normally. Oh No. My notebooks are crying out to me.

Cheers,
wantomake

Careful,
The 3BGS is a jealous lady. You've been talking to those OTHER threads. If you try it again with the new setup, you will never be able to see those other threads again!

Really, the drawing is in my signature.
Fun, fun,
Randy

[wantomake]

Indeed she is.

Careful,
The 3BGS is a jealous lady. You've been talking to those OTHER threads. If you try it again with the new setup, you will never be able to see those other threads again!

Really, the drawing is in my signature.
Fun, fun,
Randy

Lol and long,
Randy as soon as my feet touch SC soil, they'll carry me to my first love, the Lockridge device. My second is the 3BGS , and she may yet steal me away. Wow, what wonderful progress with this new setup.

We leave Osaka for Okinawa tomorrow(your Sunday) Monday and will be there for three weeks. Wife's brother wants to see this 3BGS, if he can find the bad batteries then I'll share her addictive love with him. Dave hope it's ok to share your "lady" here in Japan .And yes the first taste is free. After that you'll pay with all have. But look at what we gain in return.

Yes she calls to us,
wantomake

[Turion]

Randy,
The link has disappeared from your signature.

I got four coils wound for the generator today. I actually ended up driving up to my place up north at 6:00 this morning to check on some trees that the well drilling company said had to come out. I wanted to make sure they weren't any of the important ones. So while I was waiting around, I wound 4 coils. Can't wait to get them mounted and connected. While I was there I dropped into my home away from home....the Casino. I was there for just under two hours and after tipping out the guys at the craps table, walked away with exactly 200 more than I came with. That brings my total winnings at that place up to 2400. Every time I need money for parts, that's where I go.

My batteries are well on the way to being conditioned for the test for Skeptic. Since part of the conditioning process is charging and discharging them, I thought I would take specific gravity readings on the cells every time I charge them up, so we would have an "average" of the condition of the cells in the battery. I am keeping good notes.

Tomorrow I will fix the issue of the coupling between my one good Razor Scooter motor and the generator. That will take me some time. But since it is the only working motor I have right now, I need to get that coupling fixed. Looks like I have two pulse motors that aren't working well for whatever reason and two off the shelf motors, one of which is drawing way too many amps, and the other one which won't turn. These are motors I got on ebay, so not NEW, and you get what you pay for.

I'm ready to rewind a bunch of motors Randy!! I could try out some different things and different sizes of wire.

Dave

[Duncan]

and the sleeping ones!

Welcome to the club. Now your done for. Once you experience it, like you have, there's no going back. It consumes my every waking moment.
Take Care,
Randy

The Science of Music by Eric Dollard (3 of 12) - YouTube

A brief study of quarze crystals will show you that in nature things faithfully follow overtones and harmonics naturally

http://www.northcountryradio.com/PDFs/070302007.pdf

having cleared that up (I hope) consider electricity then is made of two basic components one clock wise and one anti clockwise you can see them both in these animations

LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCHThree pairs of 100 Ohm resistors those are combined in a bridge circuit, with the load as the fourth resistor.
Is from here ...

Simple Wideband SWR Meter | Circuit Diagramhttps://vimeo.com/19577546

[Duncan]

There is no absolute scale of size in the Universe, for it is boundless towards the great and also boundless towards the small. Oliver Heaviside

[Turion]

One of the folks who is pretty skeptical of what we are doing sent me this, and I thought it might be worth a try as a means of testing and seeing what we really have.

"Roughly monitor the voltage on each battery using the CV control
voltage inputs on multiple CMOS NE555's one for each battery. Feed the digital AC into a capacitively coupled multiplexor to a computer controller like an Audino so that it can keep track of the voltage on each battery.

Then use the computer controller to reconfigure the circuit using latching relays
(which draw power only when being reconfiured) to discharge the excess energy into a headlamp load with high and low voltage setpoints. As the system
recharges itself the charge/discharge frequency will increase as the system
reaches maximum charge at which time the the load can be run for a very long
time to discharge the batteries to a nice low level. Then start the recycling
recharge again. Where is the excess energy to recharge the system coming
from?"

I think I will try and put this together. If nothing else, it will be a means of measure.
Dave

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Ossie callanan REAC, bad batteries in series

Hello, this setup is basicallly the same as ossie radiant charger back in 2007. In my opinion it is easier to control the output and the initial condition of the ''bad battery'' by putting several in series to obtain an higher reactive power (voltage without current). We want to charge ''good batteries'' in the output side with the ''bad batteries'' in parralel because of the dipole effect (radiant antenna and converter).

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=working%20radiant%20free%20energy%20system&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.serenitystreetnews.com%2FHERSTORY%2520CRAMNOTES%2F5dterra%2520NOTES%2520AUDIO%2520VIDEO%2Febooks%2FTesla%2520-%2520a_working_radiant_free_energy_system.pdf&ei=hJz1UY7tEbiw4APPvICQAQ&usg=AFQjCNHctafN61ULUuvyCNs_LoUNWrEgsQ&bvm=bv.49784469,d.dmg

[Matthew Jones]

One of the folks who is pretty skeptical of what we are doing sent me this, and I thought it might be worth a try as a means of testing and seeing what we really have.

"Roughly monitor the voltage on each battery using the CV control
voltage inputs on multiple CMOS NE555's one for each battery. Feed the digital AC into a capacitively coupled multiplexor to a computer controller like an Audino so that it can keep track of the voltage on each battery.

Then use the computer controller to reconfigure the circuit using latching relays
(which draw power only when being reconfiured) to discharge the excess energy into a headlamp load with high and low voltage setpoints. As the system
recharges itself the charge/discharge frequency will increase as the system
reaches maximum charge at which time the the load can be run for a very long
time to discharge the batteries to a nice low level. Then start the recycling
recharge again. Where is the excess energy to recharge the system coming
from?"

I think I will try and put this together. If nothing else, it will be a means of measure.
Dave

David thats overkill. You can use an ADC either an on board to the audrino or any IC. You already have a propeller. You'll have to use multiple ADC's though separately grounded or use Inductive isolators. There are several ADC's chips setup for AC or DC.

I can give you details. This is all can be accomplished with your scope even easier. Typical Skeptic BS... They always try to run you ragged, and put goals for you to follow that do not make sense. Remember that it will save you some time in the future.

Matt

[Turion]

Ossie Callanan? Nope

CrystalDipoleMatrix,

Having built both setups, I respectfully disagree. Ossie's setup does pull in some power and is great for charging batteries, but it is SEVERELY limited in the AMOUNT of power it will pull in. Yes, you will get some high voltage spikes....the same kind you get with a Bedini setup.

With the 3 BGS, the power you can get is limited only by the size of the motor you are using. And because the motor runs so much more efficiently (since the generated energy of the motor does not fight back against the input energy, but exits the motor with it) you get high performance out of whatever motor you choose to use. I believe that because of the WAY we run the motor in this setup (between two positives or between two negatives) we are able to do something Peter said was impossible in the Electric Motor Secrets DVD, which is extract the generated energy out of an off the shelf motor without rewiring it. Then you balance the load on the motor with a load on the inverter, and you get POWER out of this system. I have run HUGE loads on the 3BGS and was able to balance them. I could not run those same loads on Ossie's setup. It does not produce that amount of energy. Which is why I spend my time working on the 3BGS INSTEAD of on Ossie's setup. But don't take my word for it, build them yourself.

Maybe I'm all wrong about this, but there are some other folks here who I know have built both setups. I'm sure they have an opinion on this topic.

Randy's modified version has yet to be tested with really large loads, but it is so much easier to keep in balance than the original setup was. I have really high hopes for it.

Matt,
Thanks for that info. That's good advice. Have you got a modified setup running yet? Was gonna call you and ask about that but have been busy. Maybe tomorrow I will get a chance if you are around.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

No I haven't got it up and running yet. Running a my batts through the Mill with my charger to get them peaked out a bit. I have got all the cables made and place to set it up.

I'll probably work on those batteries till next weekend and see where they are. They sat around a lot so they need a little love.

I can give you a basic ADC setup if you need it. We'll talk though.

I'll be in and out tomorrow till evening my time.

Matt

[Turion]

I'm babysitting my god son all day tomorrow, so trapped in a room with a small child. Any adult conversation would be appreciated. LOL

So I will be logged on here all day since I can't really work on anything. Taking a motor with me to disassemble and will work on doing some rewinding of that.

My "Matt" pulse motor is working...thought it wasn't, but my UFO pulse motor is not. Would like to have those both running so I can try them out running the Gen when I get it done. I got four coils all wound and have four more coming in the mail Lots of wire stuff to work on.

Having a hard time finding empty bobbins the right size for winding coils on. I used to have a link for a place,but can't find it anymore. Thought I had a bookmark, but apparently not!

Dave

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

CrystalDipoleMatrix,

Having built both setups, I respectfully disagree. Ossie's setup does pull in some power and is great for charging batteries, but it is SEVERELY limited in the AMOUNT of power it will pull in. Yes, you will get some high voltage spikes....the same kind you get with a Bedini setup.

With the 3 BGS, the power you can get is limited only by the size of the motor you are using. And because the motor runs so much more efficiently (since the generated energy of the motor does not fight back against the input energy, but exits the motor with it) you get high performance out of whatever motor you choose to use. I believe that because of the WAY we run the motor in this setup (between two positives or between two negatives) we are able to do something Peter said was impossible in the Electric Motor Secrets DVD, which is extract the generated energy out of an off the shelf motor without rewiring it. Then you balance the load on the motor with a load on the inverter, and you get POWER out of this system. I have run HUGE loads on the 3BGS and was able to balance them. I could not run those same loads on Ossie's setup. It does not produce that amount of energy. Which is why I spend my time working on the 3BGS INSTEAD of on Ossie's setup. But don't take my word for it, build them yourself.

Maybe I'm all wrong about this, but there are some other folks here who I know have built both setups. I'm sure they have an opinion on this topic.

Randy's modified version has yet to be tested with really large loads, but it is so much easier to keep in balance than the original setup was. I have really high hopes for it.

Matt,
Thanks for that info. That's good advice. Have you got a modified setup running yet? Was gonna call you and ask about that but have been busy. Maybe tomorrow I will get a chance if you are around.

Dave

Thanks for the quick reply. I've built the callanan setup this evening and yeah you're right. I will not spend my time anymore on this. Have you tried to series some bad batteries to see if it does something special or it's better stick to the one 3rd positon bad battery on your setup? Thanks, jean

[Turion]

Jean,
Yes, I have tried a couple different combinations of Ossie's setup plus parts of the 3BGS. Adding more bad batteries in series and also in parallel were some of the things I tried.

Right now the most effective setup is Randy's on pg 78. Scroll down and you will see it. We have been calling it the modified 3BGS, even though it uses 5 batteries instead of 3. To tune it watch the voltage on the buffer battery. You have to be able to add loads to the motor AND battery 3 to tune the setup, but once it is balanced, it just puts out power. You'll see. So you need a motor you can put a load on and an inverter or lots of 12 volt things to hook up to the buffer battery. Any questions I can answer, let me know. I will be here for a while tonight, and all day tomorrow. I would advise reading everything between page 78 and here, as well as ALL of post #1.

Dave