3 Battery Generating System

[garrypm]

Thanks for that Dave.

Cheers, Garry

[Turion]

This is only for Duncan, so nobody else read it.

Duncan,
Just got (FINALLY) all the electronic parts in for our super secret battery project for the 3BGS. Will get them off in the mail to you tomorrow, along with the battery plates and the component board. Shhhhhh. Don't tell anyone.

Dave

Did that work?

[ren]

Hi All,

Been quietly watching this thread with much interest. Id like to join in, I have most of the stuff lying around, and plenty of dead batteries. So many good ideas cross pollinating here.

Erfinder, would love to catch up again soon, I know you'll drop in here sooner or later.


Regards

[Turion]

My long run ended today with my primaries going down. I attribute this to my own overconfidence and the fact I didn't check things often enough. My loads were NOT balanced. I assumed since everything worked great the last two days, I could use the exact same loads and could just leave it running while doing other things. But I forgot I had put some small shims under the motor that were less than a 32nd of an inch thick to align the motor perfectly with the generator shaft, thereby canceling out a noise that was REALLY bugging me. I didn't realize it was going to change the dynamic of the whole setup. The buffer battery gained voltage and the primaries lost. By the time I caught it, they were down to 11.8, but jumped back to 12.3 the instant I shut the system off. Recharging the primaries and starting over.

Dave

[Turion]

Welcome ren

Glad to have you aboard. Now get to work!
LOL. Only kidding. Glad you have decided to join us. It's going to be a really interesting ride.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

My long run ended today with my primaries going down. I attribute this to my own overconfidence and the fact I didn't check things often enough. My loads were NOT balanced. I assumed since everything worked great the last two days, I could use the exact same loads and could just leave it running while doing other thin, thereby canceling out a noise that was REALLY bugging me) was going to change the dynamic of the whole setup. The buffer battery gained voltage and the primaries lost. By the time I caught it, they were down to 11.8, but jumped back to 12.3 the instant I shut the system off. Recharging the primaries and starting over.

Dave

Dave,
Isn't it an interesting thing. Increase the load on the buffer battery so the buffer battery doesn't go up in voltage and the primaries go up! Kinda bass ackwards. Or is it?
Just an fyi, I did the same thing and dropped my primaries down to 11.5 and 11.3, made my correction, while running and my primaries went back up without a rest.
Good Luck,
Randy

[tachyoncatcher]

Gary,
...
So I am getting similar results off of TWO different setups using off the shelf motors. BUT you HAVE to put some kind of a load on the motors. If you go back to the very FIRST post I made on this forum, requirement #4 said you HAVE to have a load on the motor. That was there for a reason. I NEVER try to get results without a load on the motor. I learned that early on. Don't ask me why. It's just one of those things I learned by smacking my head against the wall over and over.

Dave

I have a question for everyone. What happens to lenz when you increase the load on a standard electric motor???

Dave, did you hear that?

Randy

[Turion]

Yep, I got it.
Let me rephrase...At the time I posted those instructions a year or so ago, I didn't know why you needed that load.
Now I know, even though I hadn't really thought about it. LOL
Dave

[Duncan]

size matters!

I have a question for everyone. What happens to lenz when you increase the load on a standard electric motor???

Dave, did you hear that?

Randy

I started to write this .. then read Randy's question .. I was writing on the same subject anyway and it diverted my attention … I decided to just leave all “as is” after pasting and wot not ..

Another restless night …. ever onwards .. a lot more of the picture, David I recall was considering balancing the bridge with two motors .. this has merit David, but as I thought about it I realised that if it is to work both motors must be identical and further more their shafts joined together in such a way that the brush position on the commutator is identical . The reason for that asked and answers a lot more questions.
In a way I answered my own question from earlier .. there is of course a magnetic and electrostatic effect what was I thinking of? (or whatever its called in longitudinal terminology) The magnetic effect I have shown the electrostatic effect is of course inside the battery. It is very possible that each of those sets of plates
is effectively a resonant chamber, .. That is each cell is an antenna in its own right
In much the same way a yagi beam responds to the transverse wave. At these kind of frequencies the interaction between a similar physically sized antenna is guaranteed . .. In other words there is an Aetheric exchange between the batteries as part of the “balance” which neatly explains why similar batteries of make and type are the preferred option . It is the individual size and plate spacing.
So here's a considered swipe at the electrostatics .. I assume perfect here .. nothing can be I know there is the Q of a resonant circuit for Instance . I am also forced to gaze upon the electrostatic linear wave which you correctly suspected Randy. Although In truth once the concept of a bridge is in place anything can be matched to anything with care and the origin ignored …. still that we are curious and can engineer better .. consider “perfect” In every way


Ah Lenz he sound's like a jolly good egg … don't he just though ..

MagLab - Pioneers in Electricity and Magnetism: Heinrich Friedrich Emil Lenz

I had just started writing on the same subject Randy so with a little slight of hand your question makes a nice segue.
… is that good or bad .. we'll see, I have much to transport. I was thinking of David's idea of splitting positive and negative,.. In the DC motor (such as we have) The Lenz effect is usually referred to as back emf the simple formulas assume the machine to be at one and the same time both a motor and a generator.
the armature current and resistance being regarded as “wasted energy”
hence for a generator V = (Ia Ra) + Eb and so of course if used as a motor then Eb= (IaRa) – V
It is important to notice that in practice Ra is going to be very small therefore Eb and V will to all intense and purposes be equal (I would like you to consider it so in order to explain the operation of this machine in a “perfect” state (as in school time .. consider the so called “perfect pendulum”)
this opposition is part and parcel of the bridge , parallel resonance . Series resonance , and ferro -magnetic resonance ..
here I try to explain all
That I may fail is irrelevant the fish don't want to stay still in this barrel.
The very nature of electricity is MUSICAL … remember the crystals ? The overtones and harmonics?
the action at the commutator is as Newton says “equal and opposite” it is a frequency reaction
quite apart from all the well known dross written about armature reaction and back emf consider this perfect pendulum …. if the bridge is “balanced” if the source batteries were perfectly parallel resonant with the motor frequency . Whilst the Bad batteries are series resonant with the same frequency an awful lot of things start to happen .

At this point its very convenient to answer a question Boguslaw posed a while back I para phrase but it was basically ...
“If you have a capacitor and an inductor joined together .. how then can it then be either series or parallel tuned" ?
It becomes clear considering Lenze, the magnetic action the armature at resonance separates electricity musically,effectively, harmonics to the source batteries which in a perfect world become parallel resonant and overtones to the transducers which become series resonant.
(This is the “perfect” state I consider of course ) and magnetic resonance . This is not just opposition as we have been taught it is practical and physical separation of electricity as in pulling a loaf of bread apart … one half is harmonics the other half is overtones what ever your sub atomic view of electricity is for the moment ... forget it ... it doesn't fit this bridge. the way is now open for overtone culumative action

1/ .. The motor will run whilst requiring little or No energy .. It does we have all seen it start with a huge impedance in circuit. ..then if perfect ?

If perfect the bridge at balance would be impedance matching the source batteries to the transducers and the electrostatic content of the Aether

The nature of the electrostatic content I have the greatest difficulty in visualising and describing still
David I recall was considering balancing the bridge with two motors .. this has merit David, but as I thought about it I realised that if it is to work both motors must be identical and further more their shafts joined together in such a way that the brush position on the commutator is identical . The reason for that answers a lot more questions. In a way I answered my own question .. there is of course a magnetic and electrostatic effect (or whatever its called in longitudinal terminology) The magnetic effect I have shown the electrostatic effect is of course inside the battery. It is very possible that each of those sets of plates
is effectively a resonant chamber,
In much the same way a yagi beam responds to the transverse wave. At these kind of frequencies the interaction between a similar physically sized antenna is guaranteed . .. In other words there is an Aetheric exchange between the batteries as part of the “balance” which neatly explains why similar batteries of make and type are the preferred option . Oh boy does size matter! it's matching antenna's
So here's a considered swipe at the electrostatics .. I assume perfect here .. nothing can be I know there is the Q of a resonant circuit for Instance . I am also forced to gaze upon the electrostatic linear wave which you correctly identified as at the heart of this machine.
Each set of plates is effectively a tuned antenna , They will and do react with each other . Its how antenna's work .. its a size and space relationship .. one antenna will automatically sympathetically resonate with any identical partner … this then explains why same battery types.
The chemical reaction of the linear RF wave resonating at phenomenal frequency inside the cavity between the plates .. I leave for you test tube smasher's to consider … we certainly see the effects.
What about O'l lenze? Sorry Randy I forgot all about him. It rather begs the question in my mind (and may answer at least partially your observations with semi conductors) .. what might be the difference between an open circuit and and extremely high impedance ? It is becoming clear that we are impedance matching … It is the Idea and reason I drew those diode's .. thank you for trying it !
I rather suspected it would not be that easy … a vacuum tube however ? We are trying to tune to infinite impedance It doesn’t seem that a diode can … Anyway the reason ?
Its best explained in full by this man .. He wrote the thesis and suffered for it

http://www.papimi.gr/university.htm

As you can see the implication is … open circuit = No Lenz effect.

David thank you very much for the “secret battery” parts, were it my decision you know it would certainly not be secret, It is secrecy where Things done in darkness behind closed doors, greed, and profiteering by secret societies that brings us to the pitiful state we find ourselves in now.
It is the rotten patent system which again is people trying to profit that amplifies this evil and is a tool of tptb, EPD tells you in this clip at 11M30 what the capitalist patent system does for information such as we debate here

Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe by Eric Dollard (1 of 12) - YouTube

Not that I rage against the capitalist system I do not ,Its proved to be the best functioning system by far but for what its worth IMHO anything essential to life and survival should not be Patentable. That includes of course energy and medicine … what world now if we had Rife and free energy ?
If you want money and profit .. go build a better mouse trap. As for secret societies and the filth they seem to be doing well they are repugnant aren’t they ? Here's an American president saying so . He just didn't get to say it very long.

YouTube

anyway the “secret battery” has been gifted to you by a third party who claims it to be “patent pending” and not energy related, only for that reason do I respect your non disclosure promise to him however that certainly doesn't stop me wishing to know how his original thing works and indeed trying to duplicate it … but it is just a better mouse trap .. the state of humanity and the world depends on what we do here now .. and how we do it. I did ask the question some time ago .. there was no response.
I simply assumed then that we must try and bully through. Who actually deserves recompense for a free energy machine anyway ? What of the hundreds that have died been maimed or threatened?
What of the people who have spent their entire life savings and then sold the farm chasing the ever spinning wheel ? What of the many who sit gollum like with their unique world changing machine ?
What of the families who have lost loved ones like this

Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube

David I hate the thought that we may be about to destroy peoples dreams … and you had really better believe if anybody could do with an injection of cash … that would be me . Never the less we are all adults , we have studied this forum for years, we know the odds , we know the consequences
we know the result of every legitimate avenue .. I think its safe to say even though it may be a very bitter pill to swallow .. full open honest disclosure with the best grace we can manage is the only option ... wow was that me on a rant for no reason ?

[Matthew Jones]

Just a Thought

Something like this might give you the opportunity to explore frequency dependence.
https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...s_Modified.jpg

Of course it will have some pitfalls depending on the type of transformer you drive, but then again who knows.... It will defendantly provide more power overall for use, or reuse.

We'll see soon.

Matt

[erfinder]

I started to write this .. then read Randy's question .. I was writing on the same subject anyway and it diverted my attention … I decided to just leave all “as is” after pasting and wot not ..

Another restless night …. ever onwards .. a lot more of the picture, David I recall was considering balancing the bridge with two motors .. this has merit David, but as I thought about it I realised that if it is to work both motors must be identical and further more their shafts joined together in such a way that the brush position on the commutator is identical . The reason for that asked and answers a lot more questions.
In a way I answered my own question from earlier .. there is of course a magnetic and electrostatic effect what was I thinking of? (or whatever its called in longitudinal terminology) The magnetic effect I have shown the electrostatic effect is of course inside the battery. It is very possible that each of those sets of plates
is effectively a resonant chamber, .. That is each cell is an antenna in its own right
In much the same way a yagi beam responds to the transverse wave. At these kind of frequencies the interaction between a similar physically sized antenna is guaranteed . .. In other words there is an Aetheric exchange between the batteries as part of the “balance” which neatly explains why similar batteries of make and type are the preferred option . It is the individual size and plate spacing.
So here's a considered swipe at the electrostatics .. I assume perfect here .. nothing can be I know there is the Q of a resonant circuit for Instance . I am also forced to gaze upon the electrostatic linear wave which you correctly suspected Randy. Although In truth once the concept of a bridge is in place anything can be matched to anything with care and the origin ignored …. still that we are curious and can engineer better .. consider “perfect” In every way


Ah Lenz he sound's like a jolly good egg … don't he just though ..

MagLab - Pioneers in Electricity and Magnetism: Heinrich Friedrich Emil Lenz

I had just started writing on the same subject Randy so with a little slight of hand your question makes a nice segue.
… is that good or bad .. we'll see, I have much to transport. I was thinking of David's idea of splitting positive and negative,.. In the DC motor (such as we have) The Lenz effect is usually referred to as back emf the simple formulas assume the machine to be at one and the same time both a motor and a generator.
the armature current and resistance being regarded as “wasted energy”
hence for a generator V = (Ia Ra) + Eb and so of course if used as a motor then Eb= (IaRa) – V
It is important to notice that in practice Ra is going to be very small therefore Eb and V will to all intense and purposes be equal (I would like you to consider it so in order to explain the operation of this machine in a “perfect” state (as in school time .. consider the so called “perfect pendulum”)
this opposition is part and parcel of the bridge , parallel resonance . Series resonance , and ferro -magnetic resonance ..
here I try to explain all
That I may fail is irrelevant the fish don't want to stay still in this barrel.
The very nature of electricity is MUSICAL … remember the crystals ? The overtones and harmonics?
the action at the commutator is as Newton says “equal and opposite” it is a frequency reaction
quite apart from all the well known dross written about armature reaction and back emf consider this perfect pendulum …. if the bridge is “balanced” if the source batteries were perfectly parallel resonant with the motor frequency . Whilst the Bad batteries are series resonant with the same frequency an awful lot of things start to happen .

At this point its very convenient to answer a question Boguslaw posed a while back I para phrase but it was basically ...
“If you have a capacitor and an inductor joined together .. how then can it then be either series or parallel tuned" ?
It becomes clear considering Lenze, the magnetic action the armature at resonance separates electricity musically,effectively, harmonics to the source batteries which in a perfect world become parallel resonant and overtones to the transducers which become series resonant.
(This is the “perfect” state I consider of course ) and magnetic resonance . This is not just opposition as we have been taught it is practical and physical separation of electricity as in pulling a loaf of bread apart … one half is harmonics the other half is overtones what ever your sub atomic view of electricity is for the moment ... forget it ... it doesn't fit this bridge. the way is now open for overtone culumative action

1/ .. The motor will run whilst requiring little or No energy .. It does we have all seen it start with a huge impedance in circuit. ..then if perfect ?

If perfect the bridge at balance would be impedance matching the source batteries to the transducers and the electrostatic content of the Aether

The nature of the electrostatic content I have the greatest difficulty in visualising and describing still
David I recall was considering balancing the bridge with two motors .. this has merit David, but as I thought about it I realised that if it is to work both motors must be identical and further more their shafts joined together in such a way that the brush position on the commutator is identical . The reason for that answers a lot more questions. In a way I answered my own question .. there is of course a magnetic and electrostatic effect (or whatever its called in longitudinal terminology) The magnetic effect I have shown the electrostatic effect is of course inside the battery. It is very possible that each of those sets of plates
is effectively a resonant chamber,
In much the same way a yagi beam responds to the transverse wave. At these kind of frequencies the interaction between a similar physically sized antenna is guaranteed . .. In other words there is an Aetheric exchange between the batteries as part of the “balance” which neatly explains why similar batteries of make and type are the preferred option . Oh boy does size matter! it's matching antenna's
So here's a considered swipe at the electrostatics .. I assume perfect here .. nothing can be I know there is the Q of a resonant circuit for Instance . I am also forced to gaze upon the electrostatic linear wave which you correctly identified as at the heart of this machine.
Each set of plates is effectively a tuned antenna , They will and do react with each other . Its how antenna's work .. its a size and space relationship .. one antenna will automatically sympathetically resonate with any identical partner … this then explains why same battery types.
The chemical reaction of the linear RF wave resonating at phenomenal frequency inside the cavity between the plates .. I leave for you test tube smasher's to consider … we certainly see the effects.
What about O'l lenze? Sorry Randy I forgot all about him. It rather begs the question in my mind (and may answer at least partially your observations with semi conductors) .. what might be the difference between an open circuit and and extremely high impedance ? It is becoming clear that we are impedance matching … It is the Idea and reason I drew those diode's .. thank you for trying it !
I rather suspected it would not be that easy … a vacuum tube however ? We are trying to tune to infinite impedance It doesn’t seem that a diode can … Anyway the reason ?
Its best explained in full by this man .. He wrote the thesis and suffered for it

http://www.papimi.gr/university.htm

As you can see the implication is … open circuit = No Lenz effect.

David thank you very much for the “secret battery” parts, were it my decision you know it would certainly not be secret, It is secrecy where Things done in darkness behind closed doors, greed, and profiteering by secret societies that brings us to the pitiful state we find ourselves in now.
It is the rotten patent system which again is people trying to profit that amplifies this evil and is a tool of tptb, EPD tells you in this clip at 11M30 what the capitalist patent system does for information such as we debate here

Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe by Eric Dollard (1 of 12) - YouTube

Not that I rage against the capitalist system I do not ,Its proved to be the best functioning system by far but for what its worth IMHO anything essential to life and survival should not be Patentable. That includes of course energy and medicine … what world now if we had Rife and free energy ?
If you want money and profit .. go build a better mouse trap. As for secret societies and the filth they seem to be doing well they are repugnant aren’t they ? Here's an American president saying so . He just didn't get to say it very long.

YouTube

anyway the “secret battery” has been gifted to you by a third party who claims it to be “patent pending” and not energy related, only for that reason do I respect your non disclosure promise to him however that certainly doesn't stop me wishing to know how his original thing works and indeed trying to duplicate it … but it is just a better mouse trap .. the state of humanity and the world depends on what we do here now .. and how we do it. I did ask the question some time ago .. there was no response.
I simply assumed then that we must try and bully through. Who actually deserves recompense for a free energy machine anyway ? What of the hundreds that have died been maimed or threatened?
What of the people who have spent their entire life savings and then sold the farm chasing the ever spinning wheel ? What of the many who sit gollum like with their unique world changing machine ?
What of the families who have lost loved ones like this

Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube

David I hate the thought that we may be about to destroy peoples dreams … and you had really better believe if anybody could do with an injection of cash … that would be me . Never the less we are all adults , we have studied this forum for years, we know the odds , we know the consequences
we know the result of every legitimate avenue .. I think its safe to say even though it may be a very bitter pill to swallow .. full open honest disclosure with the best grace we can manage is the only option ... wow was that me on a rant for no reason ?

For what its worth...my two cents...

Lenz isn't an issue....the issue in my opinion is our ignorance of what electricity is...., how it relates to magnetism, what magnetism is....and how either of two are moving into and out of systems. I have observed that when properly setup, the forces move in a self oscillating fashion...self oscillating is self organizing....able to move without impedance...(this condition is not to be confused with resonance...) or at the very least dramatically reduced impedance....I have tested coil configurations which deliver real power, and and lead to rotor acceleration...using coils of low inductance and resistance...we need only focus on what the force wants, and give it the means to do what it does naturally...

No Magnetic Circuit PMH - YouTube

Ren,

Where you been hiding brother...I will email you...lots to catch up on!

Regards

[Skeptic]

Turion,

Are you close to a point where the 3 battery capacities of phase 1 can be compared to the 3 battery capacities of phase 3? I would compare my testing suggestion to testing a new charger (the 3BGS treated as a black box charger). I realize that your system does many things, but clearly demonstrating the excess energy in the 3 batteries in phase 3 would be a clear, measurable and objective metric. As you know, testing total battery capacity accurately is not an easy task as a single battery can vary by up to 30% even under the same charging conditions. Adding specific gravity measurements to the test would add credibility to the procedure. A successful test would likely attract more people to try this themselves, and add additional talents to the project. Clearly showing the excess energy (before and after battery states) would be a discovery of unimaginable proportions. Including the details of running the phase 2 might distract readers from the larger picture (other than no energy is added at phase 2)

Thanks again

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I have two primary batteries that are fully charged. I can take a specific gravity measurement of each of the cells in those two batteries. Then I can run loads for several days on the modified 3BGS. At the end of that time, I can again measure the specific gravity of all the cells in the batteries without recharging. The amp hours of load can be calculated as (amps x voltages x time) and can be compared to the rated amp hours of the batteries. If the amp hours capacity of the batteries have been exceeded by several times and the meter and specific gravity measurement shows that the battery is fully charged, that SHOULD be enough evidence to convince.....the people who want to believe......and everyone else will assume I have faked the results anyway. But I don't care because I know what I see and what I measure.

Dave

[Skeptic]

Turion - Anyone who takes the time to read all the posts and communicates with you should know that you are not the kind of person to fake anything.

In addition, this experiment can be duplicated by anyone interested in doing so. Your reporting of positive results should provide sufficient motivation for others to duplicate the results. Once you report convincing results, I will show the results to a PHD physicist that I know. He is fair minded and likes to check things out. His published discovery of an obscure magnetic phenomena has withstood the test of time. I cannot guarantee he will be interested, but I do know the kind of proof that could interest him.

Thanks again

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I wasn't thinking. The batteries I have all charged up and conditioned are AGM batteries, not FLA. I will get to work conditioning the FLA batteries because the AGM, according to what I have researched, cannot be measured as we discussed. I have loads on two FLA batteries right now, draining them, and will pulse charge them to condition them over the next couple days. I had planned on going out of town for the weekend up to my property, but have decided to stay home and work on this stuff for the next two days, including today. Am about to record some data on "film" and start a really long run. 10-12 hours if I can keep the thing balanced. So I will be here working on this the rest of the day today, and all day long the next two days also.

Dave