3 Battery Generating System

[garrypm]

Thanks for that Dave.

Cheers, Garry

[Turion]

This is only for Duncan, so nobody else read it.

Duncan,
Just got (FINALLY) all the electronic parts in for our super secret battery project for the 3BGS. Will get them off in the mail to you tomorrow, along with the battery plates and the component board. Shhhhhh. Don't tell anyone.

Dave

Did that work?

[ren]

Hi All,

Been quietly watching this thread with much interest. Id like to join in, I have most of the stuff lying around, and plenty of dead batteries. So many good ideas cross pollinating here.

Erfinder, would love to catch up again soon, I know you'll drop in here sooner or later.


Regards

[Turion]

My long run ended today with my primaries going down. I attribute this to my own overconfidence and the fact I didn't check things often enough. My loads were NOT balanced. I assumed since everything worked great the last two days, I could use the exact same loads and could just leave it running while doing other things. But I forgot I had put some small shims under the motor that were less than a 32nd of an inch thick to align the motor perfectly with the generator shaft, thereby canceling out a noise that was REALLY bugging me. I didn't realize it was going to change the dynamic of the whole setup. The buffer battery gained voltage and the primaries lost. By the time I caught it, they were down to 11.8, but jumped back to 12.3 the instant I shut the system off. Recharging the primaries and starting over.

Dave

[Turion]

Welcome ren

Glad to have you aboard. Now get to work!
LOL. Only kidding. Glad you have decided to join us. It's going to be a really interesting ride.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

My long run ended today with my primaries going down. I attribute this to my own overconfidence and the fact I didn't check things often enough. My loads were NOT balanced. I assumed since everything worked great the last two days, I could use the exact same loads and could just leave it running while doing other thin, thereby canceling out a noise that was REALLY bugging me) was going to change the dynamic of the whole setup. The buffer battery gained voltage and the primaries lost. By the time I caught it, they were down to 11.8, but jumped back to 12.3 the instant I shut the system off. Recharging the primaries and starting over.

Dave

Dave,
Isn't it an interesting thing. Increase the load on the buffer battery so the buffer battery doesn't go up in voltage and the primaries go up! Kinda bass ackwards. Or is it?
Just an fyi, I did the same thing and dropped my primaries down to 11.5 and 11.3, made my correction, while running and my primaries went back up without a rest.
Good Luck,
Randy

[tachyoncatcher]

Gary,
...
So I am getting similar results off of TWO different setups using off the shelf motors. BUT you HAVE to put some kind of a load on the motors. If you go back to the very FIRST post I made on this forum, requirement #4 said you HAVE to have a load on the motor. That was there for a reason. I NEVER try to get results without a load on the motor. I learned that early on. Don't ask me why. It's just one of those things I learned by smacking my head against the wall over and over.

Dave

I have a question for everyone. What happens to lenz when you increase the load on a standard electric motor???

Dave, did you hear that?

Randy

[Turion]

Yep, I got it.
Let me rephrase...At the time I posted those instructions a year or so ago, I didn't know why you needed that load.
Now I know, even though I hadn't really thought about it. LOL
Dave

[Duncan]

size matters!

I have a question for everyone. What happens to lenz when you increase the load on a standard electric motor???

Dave, did you hear that?

Randy

That is each cell is an antenna in its own rightMagLab - Pioneers in Electricity and Magnetism: Heinrich Friedrich Emil Lenz

http://www.papimi.gr/university.htm

Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe by Eric Dollard (1 of 12) - YouTubeYouTubeOpie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube

[Matthew Jones]

Just a Thought

Something like this might give you the opportunity to explore frequency dependence.
https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...s_Modified.jpg

Of course it will have some pitfalls depending on the type of transformer you drive, but then again who knows.... It will defendantly provide more power overall for use, or reuse.

We'll see soon.

Matt

[erfinder]

That is each cell is an antenna in its own rightMagLab - Pioneers in Electricity and Magnetism: Heinrich Friedrich Emil Lenz

http://www.papimi.gr/university.htm

Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe by Eric Dollard (1 of 12) - YouTubeYouTubeOpie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube

For what its worth...my two cents...

Lenz isn't an issue....the issue in my opinion is our ignorance of what electricity is...., how it relates to magnetism, what magnetism is....and how either of two are moving into and out of systems. I have observed that when properly setup, the forces move in a self oscillating fashion...self oscillating is self organizing....able to move without impedance...(this condition is not to be confused with resonance...) or at the very least dramatically reduced impedance....I have tested coil configurations which deliver real power, and and lead to rotor acceleration...using coils of low inductance and resistance...we need only focus on what the force wants, and give it the means to do what it does naturally...

No Magnetic Circuit PMH - YouTube

Ren,

Where you been hiding brother...I will email you...lots to catch up on!

Regards

[Skeptic]

Turion,

Are you close to a point where the 3 battery capacities of phase 1 can be compared to the 3 battery capacities of phase 3? I would compare my testing suggestion to testing a new charger (the 3BGS treated as a black box charger). I realize that your system does many things, but clearly demonstrating the excess energy in the 3 batteries in phase 3 would be a clear, measurable and objective metric. As you know, testing total battery capacity accurately is not an easy task as a single battery can vary by up to 30% even under the same charging conditions. Adding specific gravity measurements to the test would add credibility to the procedure. A successful test would likely attract more people to try this themselves, and add additional talents to the project. Clearly showing the excess energy (before and after battery states) would be a discovery of unimaginable proportions. Including the details of running the phase 2 might distract readers from the larger picture (other than no energy is added at phase 2)

Thanks again

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I have two primary batteries that are fully charged. I can take a specific gravity measurement of each of the cells in those two batteries. Then I can run loads for several days on the modified 3BGS. At the end of that time, I can again measure the specific gravity of all the cells in the batteries without recharging. The amp hours of load can be calculated as (amps x voltages x time) and can be compared to the rated amp hours of the batteries. If the amp hours capacity of the batteries have been exceeded by several times and the meter and specific gravity measurement shows that the battery is fully charged, that SHOULD be enough evidence to convince.....the people who want to believe......and everyone else will assume I have faked the results anyway. But I don't care because I know what I see and what I measure.

Dave

[Skeptic]

Turion - Anyone who takes the time to read all the posts and communicates with you should know that you are not the kind of person to fake anything.

In addition, this experiment can be duplicated by anyone interested in doing so. Your reporting of positive results should provide sufficient motivation for others to duplicate the results. Once you report convincing results, I will show the results to a PHD physicist that I know. He is fair minded and likes to check things out. His published discovery of an obscure magnetic phenomena has withstood the test of time. I cannot guarantee he will be interested, but I do know the kind of proof that could interest him.

Thanks again

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I wasn't thinking. The batteries I have all charged up and conditioned are AGM batteries, not FLA. I will get to work conditioning the FLA batteries because the AGM, according to what I have researched, cannot be measured as we discussed. I have loads on two FLA batteries right now, draining them, and will pulse charge them to condition them over the next couple days. I had planned on going out of town for the weekend up to my property, but have decided to stay home and work on this stuff for the next two days, including today. Am about to record some data on "film" and start a really long run. 10-12 hours if I can keep the thing balanced. So I will be here working on this the rest of the day today, and all day long the next two days also.

Dave