3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

What a shame.
That someone would share freely their idea and hard labor this concept just to see it fall on deaf negative ears.
What a shame.
There's only a few(that I know of) actually building and know success with this concept.
What a shame.
This didn't evolve into a large group of cooperation to build step by step with sharing new information and ideas until the end.
What a bigger shame.
That Dave and Matthew is tired and will soon move on.

I will never be envious of their success, but encourage them both to move on from here to a higher success. Cut the ropes of dead weight holding you down.

What a shame.
wantomake

There is more to this than meets the eye. I know your beliefs so you'll understand what I am saying. 1 Corinthians 15:23-25 uses the word "Dominion" In the context it used it means lies that have gained power. Told so often that men are blinded and controlled by these lies. They (the lies) even murder and destroy.
What we are dealing with in the energy is a simple little lie that all electrical systems must be closed loop. How bad off is our planet, how many people die for energy sake.
Open loop systems were very common through the 1800's early 1900's but these systems have been forgotten. Its the entire reason Heavyside used quaternion instead of simple vectors and algebra. To expand his mathematical view of what was happening in the environment around the circuit.
Since those days all systems have closed and all the physics behind electricity have been on closed systems that throw any energy after the work is completed away.
The 3 battery system is an open system, so is the single battery system outlined by Dave. There is no open systems taught for EE degree. They are not even mentioned. In fact in tradition even the thought of them today is mocked. And everything we want to look at is chalked up to ignorance.

What I am trying to say is I don't blame them for not believing or wanting to look. They are controlled people who derive pleasure from interrupting and being general advocate of the dominion they follow. They pay for it in there education. You cannot pacify them with any amount of proof or testing. You cannot entice them to invest in there own knowledge and you will definitely never win with them when they are in troll mode under anonymity on the Internet. Why try?

Just use this place to ask basic question, it worth nothing else. Help the ones who have questions ignore the ones who rant there knowledge.

All of them are going to loose soon. I promise.

Matt

[axxelxavier]

... It would be like connecting a 9v battery positive to gate and negative to source to turn on the mosfet...I hope that clears things up. Cheers,Alex

Hy, Alex, thank you for your reply, It looks like this chip is perfect for me.
I will soon order some drivers, to test in 2BGS setup first. Right now, the Arduino + Relays are drawing way too much for my switcher (- 200mA/hour) which is draining very fast the extra (Arduino) battery.
Best regards,
Teodor

[hherby]

Yes, Works with DC

Hy, Alex.
Thank you for your reply. I don't know much about this driver - I have to search the internet to see if it is capable of switching DC/DC voltage, or to isolate readings from dc voltage.
As far as I know, SSR works only with AC voltage, but right now I am using only DC voltage.
Best regards,
Teodor

[wantomake]

How sad

What a shame.
That someone would share freely their idea and hard labor this concept just to see it fall on deaf negative ears.
What a shame.
There's only a few(that I know of) actually building and know success with this concept.
What a shame.
This didn't evolve into a large group of cooperation to build step by step with sharing new information and ideas until the end.
What a bigger shame.
That Dave and Matthew is tired and will soon move on.

I will never be envious of their success, but encourage them both to move on from here to a higher success. Cut the ropes of dead weight holding you down.

What a shame.
wantomake

[Turion]

The answer is:

Time will teli

I should clarify a couple things. The 3 Battery system will extend run times on one or three batteries, depending on which of the two circuits you use. That’s ALL it will do. You can get really long run times. I believe with the addition of a proper generator it is an OU system. The gen I built puts out much more than is consumed by the motor running it when running on those circuits. But I have NOT looped that system. My work was focused on coils that would not heat up with continued use when I had to stop to remodel two houses. But I could see inputs and outputs, and I can do the math. One day I will probably get around to the looping thing.

I could NOT build a self runner based on the 3 Battery stuff without the generator. I understand the principles and WHY it can work and HOW it needs to go together, but I do not have the technical expertise to build a device. I think if there was an EE with the RIGHT background, it would probably take a few months working together to make that happen. We HAVE shown other options besides the generator, but they are complicated and since the generator WORKS....Luckily I don’t need to go down that road. Matt understands the 3 Battery system better than anybody. He knows the motor he modified better than anyone. He already built a working generator with a small unit that put out twice the input. It’s what got me started. That video still exists, including the inputs and outputs, but it is not MY video to share. All I have done is scale up his working devices. I DID figure out the magnetic lock thing so I could have as MANY coils on the generator as I want, A hundred if I want them, still turned by the razor scooter motor. And I did figure out a bunch of stuff about how to wind the coils so that they will speed up under load, and that it is MORE than just having a high impedance coil. So I'm not a COMPLETE waste of space. Oh, and I am the one that has been relentless in talking about the 3 Battery system, who brought it to this forum in the first place, (although Matt was working with the Benetiz stuff and having way more success with that than I have had, which is a parallel path) and will continue to do so until the day we get the big $$$ for this. After that, you're all on your own, and that day is coming soon. Things are happening that won't be talked about here.

[bistander]

Still

Still no proof. Just unsubstantiated, extraordinary claims by you without proof or evidence. While my position is backed by hundreds of years of science and millions of experiments and real life applications. You're just a lone voice saying "I have the secret of free energy".

Who is right?

I actually hope you are, but I know better.

bi

[Turion]

[Aaron]

patent

Apologies if I am missing something here - but surely a visit to the USPTO will sort this out.

I threatened the attorney because of his lack of due diligence. Thousands of people around the world witnessed me posting my work on it right here in Energetic Forum and it was the #1 public reference to the facts - no way the attorney could not have come across it unless Luc and others steered him away from it. After the battle, my name was eventually added to a patent where I share it with 3 other people that had nothing to do with my circuit. There are 2 other inventions in the same patent that I had nothing to do with so in the end, I have commercial rights to all 3, but so do they. They'll never do anything with it so that's fine with me.

[bistander]

Turion,

These are not facts, but just your imagination. The battery in the single battery circuit does not charge at any time. Therefore it does not matter if I used a Matt modded motor or a standard motor. Your explanation is incorrect.

You just wrote: "It [the current] DOES go to the right, in a loop that keeps you from drawing down on the primary battery."

It does not "keep you from drawing down" the battery because the power is coming from the battery in the first place. Even the power from the generator comes from the battery. It (the power at that node) will never exceed that which is "needed by the boost module". Therefore, like I said, current will not folw into battery positive and the battery will not charge, as you claim. I think my tests show that convincingly. I certainly would like to see tests from you and/or Matt, or from anyone else.

Regards,

bi

[Turion]

Circuit

If you had actually built it with the CORRECT components, you would discover just how WRONG and RIGHT you are. It DOES go to the right, in a loop that keeps you from drawing down on the primary battery. The SAME energy is used over and over again because of that loop. With the addition of the generator whose output goes THROUGH a load the same way the output of the boost module goes THROUGH the motor, and to this same “node” there is more input to that point than is needed by the boost module, so the battery charges. These are FACTS.

[bistander]

Pink arrow

In the basic 3 Battery system there is a high voltage source and a low voltage source. The motor simply acts as a mechanical switch to momentarily connect the high voltage to the low voltage sending a CHARGE pulse to the low voltage side. Notice the negatives are connected, completing the circuit. ANYONE should be able to understand that when you connect a high voltage to a low voltage, the charge is going to move in a SPECIFIC direction.


In the single battery circuit the output of the boost module is the high voltage source. Again, the motor acts as a mechanical switch connecting the high voltage to the low voltage momentarily. Notice the negative of the boost module, which is a through connection on the boost module (meaning the input and output negatives are tied together) is connected to the negative of the battery. So there IS a complete circuit here despite your contention otherwise.

This is how battery 3 charges in the 3 battery system and how the single battery in the single battery circuit charges. The Matt motor and LARGE batteries are required for it to work, as is the boost module.

Your discussion with Matt about a SPIKE returning to the primary battery from the motor has NOTHING to do with the CHARGE CIRCUIT and IF that happens it is an additional benefit. I cannot speak to that because I haven't investigated it. I am only concerned with the PRIMARY action here which is charging battery 3 in the 3 battery circuit and charging the single battery in the single battery circuit. It is EXACTLY the same circuit in both drawings. High voltage source switched by the motor to a low voltage source. It comes out of a high voltage positive and goes into a low voltage POSITIVE. And the negatives are connected.It is NOT rocket science. Why you cannot understand this simple principle I do not know.

Thanks for the diagram.



So the pink arrow represents current. See the node where it ends in your marked diagram? There, it completes its circuit by flowing to the right into the positive terminal of the boost converter, not into the positive terminal of the battery. Therefore the current does not charge the battery.

Regards,

bi

[Turion]

Schematic

In the basic 3 Battery system there is a high voltage source and a low voltage source. The motor simply acts as a mechanical switch to momentarily connect the high voltage to the low voltage sending a CHARGE pulse to the low voltage side. Notice the negatives are connected, completing the circuit. ANYONE should be able to understand that when you connect a high voltage to a low voltage, the charge is going to move in a SPECIFIC direction.


In the single battery circuit the output of the boost module is the high voltage source. Again, the motor acts as a mechanical switch connecting the high voltage to the low voltage momentarily. Notice the negative of the boost module, which is a through connection on the boost module (meaning the input and output negatives are tied together) is connected to the negative of the battery. So there IS a complete circuit here despite your contention otherwise.

This is how battery 3 charges in the 3 battery system and how the single battery in the single battery circuit charges. The Matt motor and LARGE batteries are required for it to work, as is the boost module.

Your discussion with Matt about a SPIKE returning to the primary battery from the motor has NOTHING to do with the CHARGE CIRCUIT and IF that happens it is an additional benefit. I cannot speak to that because I haven't investigated it. I am only concerned with the PRIMARY action here which is charging battery 3 in the 3 battery circuit and charging the single battery in the single battery circuit. It is EXACTLY the same circuit in both drawings. High voltage source switched by the motor to a low voltage source. It comes out of a high voltage positive and goes into a low voltage POSITIVE. And the negatives are connected.It is NOT rocket science. Why you cannot understand this simple principle I do not know.

[Turion]

Drawing

/Users/DVDMacAir/Desktop/bi 1Basic 3 Battery System.jpg

In the basic 3 battery system there is a high voltage on one side and a low voltage on the other. The Matt motor acts as a mechanical switch, momentarily connecting the two, which sends a pulse from the high voltage to the low voltage. This is a charge pulse and the REASON for the Matt motor. What else it may do is a discussion between YOU and Matt, but ANYONE should be able to understand that when you connect a high voltage to a low voltage, the charge will move in a very specific direction. Notice the negatives are tied together.

/Users/DVDMacAir/Desktop/bi Single Batery Circuit.jpg

In the single battery circuit the output of the boost module is the high voltage. Again, the motor acts as a mechanical switch connecting the high voltage to the low voltage momentarily. Notice the negative of the boost module, which is a through connection on the boost module (meaning the input and output negatives are tied together) is connected to the negative of the battery.

This is how battery 3 charges in the 3 battery system and how the single battery in the single battery circuit charges. The Matt motor and LARGE batteries are required for it to work, as is the boost module.

Your discussion with Matt about a pulse returning to the primary battery from the motor has NOTHING to do with the charge circuit and IF that happens it is an additional benefit. I cannot speak to that because I haven't investigated it. I am only concerned with the PRIMARY action here which is charging battery 3 in the 3 battery circuit and charging the single battery in the single battery circuit.

[bistander]

Charge current

There is a wire from the + output of the boost module to the motor. That is ONE of the wires on the motor. There is a SECOND wire on the motor, which (on the single battery circuit) goes back to the only battery, and in the 3 Battery circuit goes to the charging battery.

The output of the boost module, which is 2 volts over the standing voltage of the battery (that will be CHARGED) goes into the motor and OUT OF THE MOTOR down that SECOND wire, and back into the primary battery, hitting it with a higher voltage charging spike ( because the boost module has raised the voltage) over and over and over, just like a battery charger would do. There is NO boost module on the wire that comes OUT of the motor and goes to the charging battery. The boost module is in the circuit BEFORE the battery.

Turion,

For a battery to charge, current must flow into the positive battery terminal. This is true regardless of the charge duration, a microsecond or an hour. Also true, when current flows into the battery positive terminal, it flows out of the battery negative terminal. The description in your post does not account for or explain a path for current from the negative battery terminal to complete the charge circuit.

I will copy and paste a prior post showing the circuits.

Regards,

bi

This is exactly what I said in post #4359. Guess I need to draw a picture. And this is how Matt has described the charge pulse from his modded motor. The blue arrows represent the intended path of the charge pulse current from the Matt modded motor back to the source battery. However there is a diode inside the boost converter which blocks current in this direction.

[wrtner]

When he was approached by two people asking who invented my plasma ignition circuit, he told them he was the inventor then they filed for a patent - and Luc was well aware that I was the sole inventor.

Apologies if I am missing something here - but surely a visit to the USPTO will sort this out.