My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[Midaztouch]

NO knot fets please!

Cornboy

I can't wait to start on the motor. Its sitting under my computer desk. I use it as a foot stool when studying or my daughter uses it as her coloring table. It's not out of the box yet and its useful already.

Well, the motorcycle shop got a big money customer from Tokyo this week. So it's all hands on deck for them. Its summer time, that means bike season is in full swing. They are busy! The owner said Fire Blade AMEV1 is next in line, if he doesn't get another rush job. Hopefully, he will have some time to clear out a small space for us next week, so we can begin.

Also, I met the board maker. I showed him the JS monster Driver pdf. He said he can make it. But His LABOR prices are...wtf did you say$$$$!? For that kind of money, I'd rather wait for the boards from Sampojo to be finished and tested or buy a hand made board from Dana with shipping to Japan!lol

Keep it Clean and Green
Richie

[machinealive]

@ sampojo

I would get 4 boards, just let me know when.

Didn't get a chance to finish my drivers last night, hopefully today, I work till lunch time, then finish the drivers.

[Cornboy 555]

Knotty FETS.

Cornboy

It must have really hurt to get rid of your Black Stallion/bike. It's a thing of the past. A new and better adventure is at your feet. But imagine how your new ride will look and feel after you finish your motor!

Keep it Clean and Green
Richie

Yeh, Richie, will just have to find a way to make it sound like it did, digitally, but smellivision is not a reality yet, ahhhh the fumes, Ahhhhhh.

Don't get your, Fets, in a knot around that endurance track, will yu.

Warm Regards Cornboy.

[Midaztouch]

Nice Bike!

Cornboy

It must have really hurt to get rid of your Black Stallion/bike. It's a thing of the past. A new and better adventure is at your feet. But imagine how your new ride will look and feel after you finish your motor!

Keep it Clean and Green
Richie

[Cornboy 555]

Waves.

Hello Hitby13k, and Thanks for resistance values!

Now I have completely discarded the possibility that Machine had too low resistance...lol (He has 0.7)

Now related to your loss, am sorry!...But that seems weird though!...It did not blow the FET's...but the Opto's?...and the other two components, are they related/on same side to the Low V Signal to Gates of FET's , like the opto's?

I assume the Opto's blew the side that feeds the FET's Gates right?...I mean, after making an "Autopsy" to dead Opto Couplers...


Still it is weird...


One thing I wanted to share here...

I had several "anomalies" whenever I have been playing with this Motors...and some are really beyond "normal" understanding...

One thing I have noticed, and that I think would be useful to you guys dealing with very high sensitive "Tronics" like Opto's...

Once this Machines start running...there is a whole environment filled with the "Radiation" from Radiant...it first "catches" on the Motor Frame (I said that before)...but it does goes beyond that...to the Air/Space surrounding Machine...
There are some ways it may show you what I mean...

First grab a Neon Bulb...with your fingers touching one end leg, and make sure you touch ground with other hand...and when getting it close to Running Motor...it will lit up...move it around space of motor and there would be shiner or darker areas...Try swapping Cathode-Anode till finding right "Air Polarity"...

The Second Test could be done with just a few "Hairs" of Carbon Fibers...holding in your fingers one side, hanging loose the other...and run it closer to Machine...and will notice Carbon will tend to "float" away from machine...even though no air flow will be blowing it...

I discover this...not on the Motors...but on the Static coils (My First Thread)...However, in the motors occurs much stronger.

Interesting Uh?

So going back to "Precautions" based on this hints...Try keeping all the Sensitive Electronics, like Arduino, or Monster Pulsers...away from Motor Space...use thicker wires to Gates if needed...but, keep them away...just as a "Safety Rule"...

Until we could build specific Carbon Fiber Frames/Shields to Isolate Radiant...properly, without killing HER...


Warm Regards


Ufopolitics

Great UFO, you bring back some memories from my spark gap, Ed Gray / Don Smith, experiments, my 2008 harley Fat Bob, had a factory alarm system fitted, but after some particular experiments, with some parrelled 240V MOT's, and ign points for switching, trying to mix 100 amp with 3000V, to produce a pulse of Mass induction, i couldn't start my bike anymore.

Make sure, that anything Electronic is not within at least a couple of mt to be safe. My bike was 6 mt away.

On the 3BGS thread, some kind folks, hinted to me on how to protect electronics, and how NOT to give off detectable longitudinal, linear waves.

The harley, by the way, i sold to fund my motor build and buy some farm irrigation.

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The general consensis, of the advise, suggested Tesla style, Bifilar pancake coils, around your device/motor, to absorb emmisions, and maybe supply another source of collecting power.

Hope this helps, Warm Regards Cornboy.

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks Hitby13kw

@UFO - My coil resistance shows an average of 0.4 ohms per coil

@sampojo - the new boards sound great, may have to get a set just to see how they compare to what we have.

@machine - cant wait to see the results of your latest run!!!!!

All - had a chance to analise the three switches that died last run . . . each switch had it's own unique issue - lost the SFH617A-3 opto it one, the 7812 regulator in the second, and the MIC4452YN in the third, all the FETs test OK (but they were warm when powered down). There was a package on the door when we got home, it was the FETs ordered from China, plan to get some more drivers populated tonight. [/SIZE]hitby13kw

Hello Hitby13k, and Thanks for resistance values!

Now I have completely discarded the possibility that Machine had too low resistance...lol (He has 0.7)

Now related to your loss, am sorry!...But that seems weird though!...It did not blow the FET's...but the Opto's?...and the other two components, are they related/on same side to the Low V Signal to Gates of FET's , like the opto's?

I assume the Opto's blew the side that feeds the FET's Gates right?...I mean, after making an "Autopsy" to dead Opto Couplers...


Still it is weird...


One thing I wanted to share here...

I had several "anomalies" whenever I have been playing with this Motors...and some are really beyond "normal" understanding...

One thing I have noticed, and that I think would be useful to you guys dealing with very high sensitive "Tronics" like Opto's...

Once this Machines start running...there is a whole environment filled with the "Radiation" from Radiant...it first "catches" on the Motor Frame (I said that before)...but it does goes beyond that...to the Air/Space surrounding Machine...
There are some ways it may show you what I mean...

First grab a Neon Bulb...with your fingers touching one end leg, and make sure you touch ground with other hand...and when getting it close to Running Motor...it will lit up...move it around space of motor and there would be shiner or darker areas...Try swapping Cathode-Anode till finding right "Air Polarity"...

The Second Test could be done with just a few "Hairs" of Carbon Fibers...holding in your fingers one side, hanging loose the other...and run it closer to Machine...and will notice Carbon will tend to "float" away from machine...even though no air flow will be blowing it...

I discover this...not on the Motors...but on the Static coils (My First Thread)...However, in the motors occurs much stronger.

Interesting Uh?

So going back to "Precautions" based on this hints...Try keeping all the Sensitive Electronics, like Arduino, or Monster Pulsers...away from Motor Space...use thicker wires to Gates if needed...but, keep them away...just as a "Safety Rule"...

Until we could build specific Carbon Fiber Frames/Shields to Isolate Radiant...properly, without killing HER...


Warm Regards


Ufopolitics

[Cornboy 555]

Learning.

@UFO - My coil resistance shows an average of 0.4 ohms per coil

@sampojo - the new boards sound great, may have to get a set just to see how they compare to what we have.

@machine - cant wait to see the results of your latest run!!!!!

All - had a chance to analise the three switches that died last run . . . each switch had it's own unique issue - lost the SFH617A-3 opto it one, the 7812 regulator in the second, and the MIC4452YN in the third, all the FETs test OK (but they were warm when powered down). There was a package on the door when we got home, it was the FETs ordered from China, plan to get some more drivers populated tonight.





hitby13kw

Hello Hitby, i am no expert, but what you describe is very unusual, it almost sounds like you have a naughty lady running around there.

Please check that there is no possible earth, or any other connection, from motor coils to electronics, before you fire it up again.

I hate to see things pop like that, but at least you know how to troubleshoot the problem, unlike myself, at present.

Regards Cornboy.

[Hitby13kw]

...could you share your "Per Pair/Coils" resistance at Imperial (from commutators element to element measurement)...even though I do not believe that is the issue...
Ufopolitics

@UFO - My coil resistance shows an average of 0.4 ohms per coil

@sampojo - the new boards sound great, may have to get a set just to see how they compare to what we have.

@machine - cant wait to see the results of your latest run!!!!!

All - had a chance to analise the three switches that died last run . . . each switch had it's own unique issue - lost the SFH617A-3 opto it one, the 7812 regulator in the second, and the MIC4452YN in the third, all the FETs test OK (but they were warm when powered down). There was a package on the door when we got home, it was the FETs ordered from China, plan to get some more drivers populated tonight.





hitby13kw

[Cornboy 555]

Thanks JOE.

Cornboy, You saw the email, we should have ours from OSHPark around July 12. I ordered 20. we are getting ~$11/bd unit cost. I will have my hands full just assembling 4 and a spare or 2 and could part with the overage. I said what the heck, I wanted 5 or 6, and for around $100 on my own or teaming up with Cornboy, I got 4+ more. Ordered FETs, still trying to put together a BOM at Mouser for the rest. Just get a packet with everything in it... thats the plan.

So Machine, Let me know if you are interested in these PCBs. (driver circuitry and FETs on same board). OSHPark planning to put them on his store. He will make a few and try to stay ahead of ordering rates. If he gets volume he may put it on his higher output line, may lower the end unit cost. I will try to get when he might post the PWM board.

Thanks Sampojo, i will need to build 9 Monsters, and have one spare, talk about how to buy, when the time comes, ok.

Better get my finger out and get motor finished.

Love to see a vid of your testing.

[sampojo]

JS MD5.1 boards in production using his gerber data

@UFO
I have been working with Machine for a few days now. His problem is in the fet board area. He is using a wired design with no etching. At this time he is making a new fet board with new diodes but if someone gets a prefabbed board, Machine will shine again. I have offered to send him some boards but he, like a lot of us, wants to do it himself which is fine. I think that when he gets fet board rebuilt we will see a smile on his face and of course, ours. Machine, I'm not talking behind your back here, just letting all know that you are hot on the trail.

Cornboy, You saw the email, we should have ours from OSHPark around July 12. I ordered 20. we are getting ~$11/bd unit cost. I will have my hands full just assembling 4 and a spare or 2 and could part with the overage. I said what the heck, I wanted 5 or 6, and for around $100 on my own or teaming up with Cornboy, I got 4+ more. Ordered FETs, still trying to put together a BOM at Mouser for the rest. Just get a packet with everything in it... thats the plan.

So Machine, Let me know if you are interested in these PCBs. (driver circuitry and FETs on same board). OSHPark planning to put them on his store. He will make a few and try to stay ahead of ordering rates. If he gets volume he may put it on his higher output line, may lower the end unit cost. I will try to get when he might post the PWM board.

[machinealive]

Hi guys

Almost finished the rebuild, nice grounds, neat, just like JS's schematic. Hopefully, I'll give it whirl tonight.

Dana, did you end up putting gate resistor's on?

Anyway, I ordered the hg's anyway, there good safety switches, and probably they will be out-lawed everywhere soon, I'd like to have 4. I got the spool and bobbin's, for $50.00 each. They were $60.00, last time.

Machine

[prochiro]

@UFO
I have been working with Machine for a few days now. His problem is in the fet board area. He is using a wired design with no etching. At this time he is making a new fet board with new diodes but if someone gets a prefabbed board, Machine will shine again. I have offered to send him some boards but he, like a lot of us, wants to do it himself which is fine. I think that when he gets fet board rebuilt we will see a smile on his face and of course, ours. Machine, I'm not talking behind your back here, just letting all know that you are hot on the trail.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Hitby13kw

Dana,




Was able to get some numbers before things went south, feeding DC power directly into the Imperial
no switching 89.5 Volts 19.2 Amps (1718.4 Watts) = 3100 RPM to the generator and it did show full voltage available however there was no electrical load applied.
With switching 93 Volts 15.6 Amps (1450.8 Watts) = 2900 RPM at the generator again no electrical load but it did show full voltage available.

Quick view of my setup https://www.dropbox.com/s/6szl0j9nmcrkovq/SAM_0204.JPG

hitby13kw

Hello Hitby13kw,

Nice tests!, it shows clearly quite some drop in Amps while Voltage is higher when pulsing, awesome!...however, a slight (200) decrease of RPM's...now, by getting frequency higher (meaning On\times longer)...would it increase speed?

On the other hand, a favor, could you guys (Dana and You) "share some light" there to our dear Friend Machine...so he doesn't keep barbequing FET's...

I have seen/read you both running the Imperial with same Monster/Arduino set...so He must be doing something wrong...

Also, another favor...could you share your "Per Pair/Coils" resistance at Imperial (from commutators element to element measurement)...even though I do not believe that is the issue...

Warm regards and great set up there Hitby!!

Thanks!

Ufopolitics

[Hitby13kw]

Dana,




Was able to get some numbers before things went south, feeding DC power directly into the Imperial
no switching 89.5 Volts 19.2 Amps (1718.4 Watts) = 3100 RPM to the generator and it did show full voltage available however there was no electrical load applied.
With switching 93 Volts 15.6 Amps (1450.8 Watts) = 2900 RPM at the generator again no electrical load but it did show full voltage available.

Quick view of my setup https://www.dropbox.com/s/6szl0j9nmcrkovq/SAM_0204.JPG

hitby13kw

[prochiro]

Hitby
You may need to change the pins as you said for some Arduino boards. I use the mega2560 where 2 thru 13 are PWM pins. Just for fun, set code to 2 leads and check out the outputs on a scope.
Dana