* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[abdlquadri]

process may help free energy

If you research how they made the product. It might assist with on demand fuel as pointed out in Aarons book.

[abdlquadri]

match made in heaven

This is to help some people go over their anger.

The conference gave two things (minus the bonus):

1. 21st century business (read Robert Kiyosaki's book with the same title)
2. 21st century health product (read Aaron Murakami's free book.)

This is a match made in heaven. Best business with a good product to help people.

Also note that a lot of us have been very active in this forum due to finance. This might change that.

I will definitely be the first affiliate in my country.

Thanks Aaron and all

[Aaron]

@David

this product is not why I come here to this forum and I believe that is true for many.

I have seen this kind of pitch hundreds of times in various fields. All it ever does is diminish the potential value impact from what could have been an honest exchange. If you trust the value of a component of meaning, trust that your audience will likely resonate with the same values.

Personally I am tired of bait words like "Secrets." As you state in one of your last posts... "I'm not giving out any more secrets." Countless before you have had the same attitude and their secrets died with them. If you really think this through, I believe you will agree that it is emotion talking, not good sense.

This forum focuses on mind expansion, energy, health and agriculture. Energy was not even what this forum started form - it was just something I wanted to include at a later time.

You're speculating why I didn't post that it was a health product - there have been a handful of people that were actively working to sabotage the call even happening.

When I say secret (battery secret) - it IS in fact a secret kept by the industry and kept from you and everyone else. They don't want consumers to know about it for obvious reasons. Whether you or anyone else is "baited" by it or not is not on me. For the first time, that secret IS being put out openly into the public domain's hands - I will start a thread on it soon and everyone can have at it.

Pharma didn't want the public to know or use the health product but their offer was declined and it was put into the public's hands instead of it being locked away in mindless FDA dog and pony shows at the cost of HUNDREDS of millions of dollars to get it approved as a drug for one single application. That product and its existence was a huge secret in and of itself behind the scenes.

As far as giving away more secrets, and they are literally secrets regardless of how anyone wants to view them - something told me to not include the time machine switch - it obviously would not have added to anything. So, I'll leave them out in the future.

[toranarod]

Hi folks, Hi Aaron, just for my curiosity sake, could you explain further what this means.


I know we all have to eat, though all I wish to point out is, at what cost.
Do we become police, soldiers, bailiffs, prison guards, prison camp guards, lawyers, judges, irs agents, etc., etc., etc., to be able to eat, no matter how much disharmony and oppression are involved in those jobs and not to mention that these enslavement systems have created the illusion that we even need those jobs.
Granted I'm not equating what you are doing to that, I'm just saying, when will we as a human species say to hell with this enslavement garbage and start doing things because It's for the highest good of one and all and forget about making funny money to pay the banksters off, etc., etc., etc.
Also, I have no chip, rock or any other emotional disposition other than trying to offer some wisdom to anyone that has the eyes to see and ears to hear.

Heck, I don't know anymore, I think I must be from another planet, because a lot of what i see just makes no sense at all.
This is not really directed towards you Aaron or anyone or your choices, just trying to see if anyone else sees the futility in all this drudgery everyone is putting up with.

And please, could I possibly have something other than the usual, 'your living in an impractical dream world'.
You know what, The way we humans are living is the dream world, no in fact, it's more along the lines of a brief nightmare in the his-story of humanity.
I wish we could all share freely and give our time and energy freely and thus share true love with one another, that of unconditional love, instead of this competitive, rat race, cheesy survival show gone haywire.
peace love light
tyson

[Aaron]

jobs

Hi folks, Hi Aaron, just for my curiosity sake, could you explain further what this means.


I know we all have to eat, though all I wish to point out is, at what cost.
Do we become police, soldiers, bailiffs, prison guards, prison camp guards, lawyers, judges, irs agents, etc., etc., etc., to be able to eat, no matter how much disharmony and oppression are involved in those jobs and not to mention that these enslavement systems have created the illusion that we even need those jobs.

What becoming part of the problem means is that if THIS is our full time
work and we don't earn an income we'll wind up on welfare milking your tax dollars. That is just the practical reality of it.

We've put plenty of information into the public domain for everyone and never asked for anything in return for it. If I want to charge money for anything I want to offer, I can do it without explanation or apology to anyone - even if I never put anything into the public domain.

But you bring up the point yourself - we are NOT choosing to be police, jailers, etc... and whatever else you list. All those jobs are necessary to a point - and I could earn money in just about any field I want but I choose to only earn my money in fields of interest to me that have some benefit to advancing our way of life - energy, agriculture, health, and consciousness. I do have a choice and this is what I choose.

Yes, those jobs are necessary for the world we live in - when the world changes - we won't need them anymore but from what I can see with my own eyes is that we aren't there yet. I know what I'm doing to move away from that and I'm perfectly happy with my progress.

[DavidE]

Aaron,

Please don't take anything I say here personally because it is not meant in that way. This is a conversational forum, and I am here to learn from all of the exchanges.

Believe it or not, I willingly bought your free offer twice and heard the same pitch about the same product. There may be really something to this product, but this product is not why I come here to this forum and I believe that is true for many.

The one thing you can know about the future, is if you don't do anything... no one will ever criticize you. So I applaud your purity of intent, even though I think the execution blurred what might have been possible with simpler more straight forward methods.

I have seen this kind of pitch hundreds of times in various fields. All it ever does is diminish the potential value impact from what could have been an honest exchange. If you trust the value of a component of meaning, trust that your audience will likely resonate with the same values.

Personally I am tired of bait words like "Secrets." As you state in one of your last posts... "I'm not giving out any more secrets." Countless before you have had the same attitude and their secrets died with them. If you really think this through, I believe you will agree that it is emotion talking, not good sense.

If you want to win the hearts and minds of others, describe the "why values" of something, and trust that nature will undoubtedly take care of the rest.

Here is a TED TALK about conveying meaning to others... I thought it appropriate in this thread.

Simon Sinek: How great leaders inspire action | Video on TED.com

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Aaron, just for my curiosity sake, could you explain further what this means.

we'd become part of the problem instead of the solution.

I know we all have to eat, though all I wish to point out is, at what cost.
Do we become police, soldiers, bailiffs, prison guards, prison camp guards, lawyers, judges, irs agents, etc., etc., etc., to be able to eat, no matter how much disharmony and oppression are involved in those jobs and not to mention that these enslavement systems have created the illusion that we even need those jobs.
Granted I'm not equating what you are doing to that, I'm just saying, when will we as a human species say to hell with this enslavement garbage and start doing things because It's for the highest good of one and all and forget about making funny money to pay the banksters off, etc., etc., etc.
Also, I have no chip, rock or any other emotional disposition other than trying to offer some wisdom to anyone that has the eyes to see and ears to hear.

Heck, I don't know anymore, I think I must be from another planet, because a lot of what i see just makes no sense at all.
This is not really directed towards you Aaron or anyone or your choices, just trying to see if anyone else sees the futility in all this drudgery everyone is putting up with.

And please, could I possibly have something other than the usual, 'your living in an impractical dream world'.
You know what, The way we humans are living is the dream world, no in fact, it's more along the lines of a brief nightmare in the his-story of humanity.
I wish we could all share freely and give our time and energy freely and thus share true love with one another, that of unconditional love, instead of this competitive, rat race, cheesy survival show gone haywire.
peace love light
tyson

[Aaron]

marketing

The following isn't meant to discredit your achievements - it's just to point out a basic fact of this type of business opportunity. As a very small percentage of people actually do anything and make money from business opportunities. 28,000 sounds like a lot but your only competing with about 1 to 2% - to break or set any records.

Well I have a problem with network marketing. Your castrated in what you can and can't do, especially when it comes to health related products. It's not a business - its a job. But the biggest problem of all is that you don't own the product, your a sales man/woman at the mercy of the network marketing company.

I'm waiting for them as well - if I had perfect presentations, I wouldn't have any failures, nor would I share them with anyone. So the next best thing is to get yourself on a Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham or an Agora list and you'll get everything you'll need to model (with out having to spend a penny). Who better to learn from than the horses mouth.

28,000 is relatively small - new company with a product that has existed for a while.

3% is more of the actual number of people that are successful in these businesses.

It isn't a "job" to me. There are ways to do these businesses in a way that the companies do NOT teach. They are corporate people that put the companies together - not people from the field - they run the business - they can't teach networking, simple as that. The top producers in all companies DO THEIR OWN THING. They don't send people to company trainings.

I'm not at the mercy of anything. I see what I can do and what I can't and then I simple craft the optimum method to work within those parameters.

I can teach people in 4 areas of marketing. Three of them, no company in the industry teaches. One of them is poorly taught. All 4, nobody is going to learn them in school, that is for sure.

[krzysiek]

And what is so profound about this health product is that both the positive and negative species are in one solution without neutralizing themselves. The atomic physicist that figured out how to stabilize that did something HUGE. Still blows my mind every time I think about it.

Aaron, hope you didn't forget about my PM with all of this going on!! Waiting to hear back!

[Aaron]

info

You guys actually got more than you think you got.

And what is so profound about this health product is that both the positive and negative species are in one solution without neutralizing themselves. The atomic physicist that figured out how to stabilize that did something HUGE. Still blows my mind every time I think about it.

[Aaron]

future calls

And Aaron did live up to everything he said he would do personally. There is also talk of future calls, on a wide range of topics.
I see no reason to be angry. A lot of us (myself included) allowed themselves to make a few assumption. There is a wide range of topics discussed on this forum as a whole. The reason this call was discussed so much more here on the renewable energy sub-forum is because this is where the highest concentration of viewers go.
No one lied to any of us, nor were we promised something that we were not given.
personally, I am looking forward to more calls in the future. I fully expect people to be selling something on every single one of them also. There is a lot of work that goes into setting something like that up, and for many people this is a business. But you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. if there is a chance that you could learn something new, why not take some time to listen?

Thank you for that, I really appreciate it!

This is why I asked Elias what he does for a living. I understand where he's coming from but we give away free stuff all the time including our time. If I was a stock broker or bartender or something as a full time profession and played with the energy technologies casually on the side, I wouldn't concern myself about how I put food on the table so to speak.

Myself and others simply do not have a "regular" job at all - our full time incomes IS from our involvement in the energy technologies, etc... and without earning income from that, we'd become part of the problem instead of the solution.

Plus, the fact that we have spent thousands and thousands of hours on experiments that we have been posting in open source for many years without asking for anything in return - seems to go completely unnoticed by some people.

Anyway, there are some people interested in speaking on conference calls - will be a bit before we can set some of those up.

[Savvypro]

Sitting where I am, I have a bird's eye view of what the results actually are
and I am constantly breaking records out of 28,000 people affiliated with
the company. Documentation speaks for itself.

The following isn't meant to discredit your achievements - it's just to point out a basic fact of this type of business opportunity. As a very small percentage of people actually do anything and make money from business opportunities. 28,000 sounds like a lot but your only competing with about 1 to 2% - to break or set any records.

I do appreciate your analysis but there is a reason for everything. There
were many people on the call that were not members of this forum.
Triathlete groups, meditation groups, etc...

Can't really cover this bit without clearing up a question you had at the end of your post. So I'll cover it at the end.

I'm not giving out any more secrets. People are too attached to their own
expectations. Obviously everyone sees things differently. My perspective
is that if I wanted the battery secret, I would have done what it took to
get it and would have been completely unattached to anything in the call.

Which is what I did, in fact I did a trial run the day before to see if I could stay up till 3 am UK time and test my phone connection. My predial service didn't work so had to get my skype account working.

Obviously some of us feel this was important enough to share with as many
people as fast as possible and I'll do another call for this particular product
for the members of Energetic Forum in the future - and other call topics,
etc... knowing what we know about this product and what it actually is
doing, I have nothing to apologize about.

Well I appreciate what was shared about the product and the battery secret.

Some people like Telsaproject has his panties in a bunch so tight he can't
see straight from the anger. It has nothing to do with any form of
marketing or the product. It is about some chip on his shoulder where
he has probably failed in every business venture he ever tried - and
therefore anything offering an opportunity is bad - while he probably works
for a corporation that is a real pyramid plan. It is sad but true, most people
simply have no idea what the reality is although they play into it on a
daily basis. That applies to everyone that has a problem with network
marketing for example, while they have no problem going to a store and
spending money for a product, while multiple people all the way to the
manufacturer are making money on it.

I've failed a number of times and had some successes as well - each is a learning experience. The failures have taught me the most.

Well I have a problem with network marketing. Your castrated in what you can and can't do, especially when it comes to health related products. It's not a business - its a job. But the biggest problem of all is that you don't own the product, your a sales man/woman at the mercy of the network marketing company.

The posts I deleted mention the company name, etc... that is because
if people are going to learn about it, they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order and be pointed to my book afterward.
Otherwise, they're not going to know what is going on and will come to
an unintelligent conclusion of it based on a haphazard way of searching
it out themselves.

My post didn't state the company name nor the website. Although the posts after mine did.

I don't know what you mean by the communication failing.

What I mean by "The communication continuity failed miserably". It's similar to what you were trying to do (I.e: they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order). But this covers everything from the lead stage all the way to someone becoming a customer and beyond.

Now to cover the point I said I'll cover at the end - it will also make what I just wrote a bit clearer.

By having multiple groups on the call, you end up trying to cram multiple messages in for different markets (e.g.: messages to markets match) or you just focus on one and everyone else is left wondering how it all relates to them. This is basic old school DM list segmentation.

Please send
me samples of your perfect presentation so I can learn from them. I'll
be waiting.

I'm waiting for them as well - if I had perfect presentations, I wouldn't have any failures, nor would I share them with anyone. So the next best thing is to get yourself on a Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham or an Agora list and you'll get everything you'll need to model (with out having to spend a penny). Who better to learn from than the horses mouth.

[Aaron]

the body can use it

The only question is in regards to if it has been succesfully stabilized in the solution as described in a manner that our body can use, and I sincerely hope it is.

Absolutely - in my book I give 7 points in the back that this product has proven to do that can be legally claimed. I will be happy to send you more information on that. The production of various things it boosts in the body plus making them HUNDREDS of % more effective - prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only are they in a form the body can use, they are in a form the body loves to use.

There are many things that are natural to the body - goji berries for example. But our body doesn't have goji berries. Our body has to break it down and it doesn't get everything.

Our product is NATIVE to the body (goes way beyond natural) - in the exact same form that the body produces - there are no digestive or absorption barriers to it.

Also, the VT and VO2MAX tests prove it is effectively being used by the body. Beating the results of illegal doping drugs by hundreds of % is so far above statistical significance - it literally is in a new class.

[toranarod]

[Aaron]

@Elias

in short we are mostly here for freedom and humanitarian purposes not to make money.

Personally I was not expecting a product but knowledge.

All this being said, I appreciate the free ebook you gave us, nevertheless I learned something about cells and their energy mechanisms.

PS I personally believe that if you give patients water and make them believe that it is the fountain of youth they will certainly see that it is. The energy field that does everything is all around us, and water is the medium that moves that energy in the physical universe, that energy can be influenced by beliefs, refer to the memory of water.

Regards
Elias

Elias,

Honestly, what do you do to earn your income?

Knowledge? You learned the most important distinction in the health sciences field of the last 100 years while simultaneously blowing the doors off all the antioxidant scams, etc... The word important is subjective of course - however, results and documentation beat conversation and what this is doing for people is beyond any other single modality, supplement, energy treatment, etc... and is actually quantifiable. Unfortunately, most of what people are experiencing is illegal to spell out.

This is not small amount of information. Do you realize this exact field is the FASTEST growing field in the health sciences field right now? Go to PubMed home type in the first two words of the title of my book and go read it for yourself.

This has made many things obsolete in one single punch - antioxidant products, hydrogen peroxide, ozone treatments, chlorine derivatives that many people are excited about, etc... for the benefits, this is a drop in the bucket. AND, the other side of the equation as well that was always said to be impossible until it was actually done and made available?

This is beyond profound and is a priceless piece of information that everyone is fortunate enough to even hear about. This company is responsible for bringing the science into the public's hands for the first time ever - until that, it has been nothing more than research behind the scenes while never explaining to the public what the truth is to antioxidants - how they're all completely worthless without some very special things.

I believe if there is enough light potential within one person, they can remain that way indefinitely without food and water. Until that is a practical thing, this is the closest thing anyone will be able to get their hands on right now and for years to come. Something you can put in your body that isn't even a nutritional supplement that is more fundamental than stem cells, minerals and vitamins, etc... It is beyond profound when looking deep into the implications of what this is.