* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[sgogreen]

Ssn?

why do you need my SSN? and is there a better discount for people who keep buying product. what about a money back guarantee? and is there some sort of reassurance or security with our investments?

[dR-Green]

Did you use the method peacepenguin shared?

Adding username: freeconferencing.(phonenumberhere)?

We will have other calls - the retired ceo of magnetizer is open to giving a talk on his magnetic fluid conditioning technology, etc... and other people that you know their names. We'll announce these as they're available.

I used that method exactly. But if they are a Skype user, like I said they haven't accepted my contact request so they're not really on my list, so I had to call the "mobile" number, which from here is international rate. Which isn't too bad anyway because I bought the skype credits before I heard that it was supposed to be free and I have no other (planned) use for it, so that's ok. First time for me to use skype this way too so learned something there.

The battery secret sounds interesting. I have some of the material mentioned that I swiped from chemistry class in school many years ago I was planning on testing with the HHO cell, so this is good information to have before starting that whole process.

There is a certain energy to the live conference I thought, it's a bit more exciting than just listening to a recording. Maybe it was a good marketing strategy because I suspect that method would get more people enthusiastic, but I won't comment on that either way. People need money and all that nonsense somehow in the meantime, so that's up to them. If they are providing good information then I would rather them be free to research than working 9-5. The only "negative" thing I thought about all this was that it wasn't completely different from the presentation released a few weeks ago, when I was expecting new(er) information.

Anyway, looking forward to what's coming in the future. Thanks for sharing the info in the pdf

[b_rads]

Red Flag

Do I feel duped? Maybe,
Was this call worth my time? Definately
Will I try this product? I think so.
Will I purchase from Aaron or one of his marketing associates? No
Why would I when I can go directly to the parent company and buy retail.
Why would I aggree to associate with a product whose parent company would be competing against me for retail sales.
Would you be so kind as to respond Aaron, no disrespect intended, just curious.

[kippered]

Sceptical

I agree with the sentiments about the misleading nature of the lead up to this call.

I am also sceptical about the Redox concept, not because I am a health buff or am well educated in the field, but because I have been using it for almost 3 weeks as suggested... I will keep using it until I run out and see if there are any changes before making my final judgment call.

My personal opinion is that Aaron and Peter have gone a little off their rocker with pushing this as the results of the product should really speak for themselves. If it works out for me I will tell everyone I know and be a huge advocate.

I feel that either the team is really passionate about helping with the health of people in this world, or it is a money grab trying to position themselves on the top of the pyramid due to how new the product is.

I have many more opinions to share but this is not the place for that.

[Peculian]

Missed up that call lol
is there any hope for the Bat-Secret anyway ?
thanks anyway

[Peter Lindemann]

If it works out for me.....

My personal opinion is that Aaron and Peter have gone a little off their rocker with pushing this as the results of the product should really speak for themselves. If it works out for me I will tell everyone I know and be a huge advocate.

I feel that either the team is really passionate about helping with the health of people in this world, or it is a money grab trying to position themselves on the top of the pyramid due to how new the product is.

Dear Kippered,

I can see why you might think Aaron and I have "gone off our rocker" on this, but I can say with all sincerity, that the product is really that good, and we both believe that everyone should find out about it as soon as possible. We also believe that people should have an opportunity to make an informed decision about it, and that requires more education than just reading a few negative posts on the internet, made by people who have not looked into the science or even taken the product.

If you have been taking it for 3 weeks and aren't seeing much yet, I'd like to talk with you on the phone. Please PM me with your phone number and I'll call you.

Thanks,
Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

Buying Retail from the Company

Do I feel duped? Maybe,
Was this call worth my time? Definately
Will I try this product? I think so.
Will I purchase from Aaron or one of his marketing associates? No
Why would I when I can go directly to the parent company and buy retail.
Why would I agree to associate with a product whose parent company would be competing against me for retail sales.
Would you be so kind as to respond Aaron, no disrespect intended, just curious.

Hi b_rads,

Actually, everyone buys it directly from the company at the same price. To do that, you have to purchase it from someone's website who is already an associate in the marketing plan. The company does NOT sell the product to customers outside of this process. So, buying it from Aaron or me or Energetic Sciences is the only way to buy it from the company. If you were on the call, you heard the President of the Company say they support the people working the marketing plan 100% and will continue to do so indefinitely into the future. What he said was not a "sales pitch", it was a statement of the "corporate commitment" to the network of people introducing the product to others.

I hope that helps.

Peter

[b_rads]

Hi b_rads,

Actually, everyone buys it directly from the company at the same price. To do that, you have to purchase it from someone's website who is already an associate in the marketing plan. The company does NOT sell the product to customers outside of this process. So, buying it from Aaron or me or Energetic Sciences is the only way to buy it from the company. If you were on the call, you heard the President of the Company say they support the people working the marketing plan 100% and will continue to do so indefinitely into the future. What he said was not a "sales pitch", it was a statement of the "corporate commitment" to the network of people introducing the product to others.

I hope that helps.

Peter

I stand corrected.
Thank You for the clarifacation and Best Wishes
Brad S

[elias]

Aaron,

To be honest I admire you, and your help in our quest in free energy and other interesting knowledge. But please be more honest with us. Most of us have dedicated a significant portion of our lives here serving humanity with various experiments and so, without expecting anything in return, in short we are mostly here for freedom and humanitarian purposes not to make money.

Now, it would have been really better if you told us: "friends, we have got a new revolutionizing product and we are going to make a conference presentation of it, we would like you to join us, also we are going to offer a bonus to those who participate". Personally I was not expecting a product but knowledge.

I dialed in to learn something, all I heard was an advertisement of a product (how exceptional it maybe), and Peter's Testimony. It didn't have an uplifting vibe to it, really. It sounded like some people wanting to make money by using some knowledge thirsty people. Please take this to your heart, I am not criticizing you in any way, as we are all brothers, but saying how it sounded to me.

All this being said, I appreciate the free ebook you gave us, nevertheless I learned something about cells and their energy mechanisms.

PS I personally believe that if you give patients water and make them believe that it is the fountain of youth they will certainly see that it is. The energy field that does everything is all around us, and water is the medium that moves that energy in the physical universe, that energy can be influenced by beliefs, refer to the memory of water.

Regards
Elias

Elias,

Were your expectations something I told you or something that you
made up for yourself?

You had a small time investment, got a free book that had a battery
secret chapter as promised - something that no free energy site is
talking about and something that everyone would want to know about
and I asked for nothing else in return but your consideration in listening
to something.

As far as the call, the book blows open the doors to something in layman's
terms that has NEVER been described before the way I did it. You learned
a seriously big dirty secret the health industry has never told you about
some of the most popular and hyped up supplements on the market.
Whether or not you ever benefit from what we talked about, you just
learned some powerful distinctions that are priceless.

Please read my book thoroughly - it is a short quick read. That blows
the doors off of many billions of dollars worth of products that have never
given you the benefit as claimed - wouldn't you think everyone would
want to know that?

The call was an expose (when I mentioned what I mentioned towards
the end). It was informative. It filled you in on a science that you probably
never even knew existed. Peter had a growth that just fell off his leg?
Everyone's age spots are disappearing in weeks to a couple months?
Bald people are sprouting new hair and gray hair is turning black. There are
many things that are illegal for me to discuss. If it hasn't hit anyone,
what we're talking about is literal age reversal - not metaphorical but
literal. Bearden talks about ppcm with the cells to access pass information
to get to a younger state but with this, that happens in such a simple
and elegant way!

Anyway, it is what it is.

For the bonus, I could be manufacturing that battery secret and making a
fortune doing so as the packaging costs more than the product inside! I'm
simply not interested and just gave it away. What is that worth to you?

There could be many people that could be speakers on the conference call
for many different energy technologies. You WILL learn something on the
call. But if there is a site promoted where you could buy something from
them, suddenly it is just an advertisement? Everyone has to eat.

People listen to coast to coast, hear a speaker they give their website
and there is something you can buy from them. At least on my call, you
actually did get something for free - the book with a battery secret that
I could guarantee most people have never heard of.

I have many things like that but may just keep them to myself if people
aren't receptive to seeing the whole thing in context. From my perspective,
I'm giving up something of high value to me for very little in return - there was no obligation to do anything with what was presented tonight and
I have one less secret, while you gained one more.

[kippered]

Dear Kippered,

I can see why you might think Aaron and I have "gone off our rocker" on this, but I can say with all sincerity, that the product is really that good, and we both believe that everyone should find out about it as soon as possible. We also believe that people should have an opportunity to make an informed decision about it, and that requires more education than just reading a few negative posts on the internet, made by people who have not looked into the science or even taken the product.

If you have been taking it for 3 weeks and aren't seeing much yet, I'd like to talk with you on the phone. Please PM me with your phone number and I'll call you.

Thanks,
Peter

I am glad to hear you are coming from the right place, and agree with your sentiments regarding informed decision making as that is the key.

The underlying information I found is overwhelmingly in favor of this being a revolution and I dont feel anyone can discredit the underlying science behind it. The only question is in regards to if it has been succesfully stabilized in the solution as described in a manner that our body can use, and I sincerely hope it is.

[Neight]

I find it interesting that there seem to be several people who are angry about the call last night...
I have to admit, I was disappointed, I was also expecting something about radiant energy to be discussed. what few clues we were given did seem to point that direction.
However, to be upset that the call was to deliver a sales pitch for a new product....
I have to say, If you called in last night, and didn't expect someone to try and sell you something, you really were not paying attention at all.
The information given did end up being interesting, and it does sound like a useful product.
And Aaron did live up to everything he said he would do personally. There is also talk of future calls, on a wide range of topics.
I see no reason to be angry. A lot of us (myself included) allowed themselves to make a few assumption. There is a wide range of topics discussed on this forum as a whole. The reason this call was discussed so much more here on the renewable energy sub-forum is because this is where the highest concentration of viewers go.
No one lied to any of us, nor were we promised something that we were not given.
personally, I am looking forward to more calls in the future. I fully expect people to be selling something on every single one of them also. There is a lot of work that goes into setting something like that up, and for many people this is a business. But you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. if there is a chance that you could learn something new, why not take some time to listen? not every call will be useful to everyone, but why get angry about it?
I see people complaining a lot about the products sold on this forum. But you have to remember, no one is asking us to pay to be members. there are a lot of things being passed around freely here, and no one is forced to view any ads nor are we interrupted from our discussions to hear a sales pitch. those things are voluntary here. While many of us here do not agree, this is still a business, and the people who provide this place for us to come together, are trying to make a living. It's not like there is a lack of ads on any of the other forums...
I hope the negative attitudes of a few people do not ruin the possibility of future calls. some of the topics being discussed as possibilities for the upcoming calls do sound very interesting, and I hope to be there when they happen. even if someone is asking me to buy something, I don't have to if I don't want to and the opportunity to learn something is still more than worth listening to a sales pitch.
that is my 2 cents, take it or leave it, but it bothers me that some people are complaining about hearing a sales pitch. the express purpose was to sell something, and at least that much should have been expected ahead of time.

N8

Also, to all of you who were on the call early, it was pretty cool to sit and talk "shop" with you guys. I was there, though when things started to get busy, I muted my phone. Nice to hear some voices, and a few names from the discussions on here! using skype may be a good way for some of us to work together in the future! actually talk to each other in real time! something to consider...

[arthujt]

why the cry?

I have observed many of the group members that participated in the "event" last night and seem to hear a common complaint of "we showed up, and got nuthin but this battery fix" or "we were decieved". You guys actually got more than you think you got. If you use the same concepts to produce this water in our cell processes, you may see a radical increase in the output of your cells. (watercells) . Using (fe)hydrogenases will produce enough hydrogen to fill the main tank of the shuttle. I refer to this link:
Hydrogenase
This process is used to manufacture the redox water: (m)hydrogenases

These are both hydrogenases used in nature as triggers for the use of the call for anti-oxidants in the human body, and other defense mechanisms.
These cause the redox reactions that produce h2o in our bodies.
the fehydro is particularlly interesting due to its ability to produce hydrogen in a finite way being very controllable to produce a cheap method for production from water. You may want to discuss the methods used for the "miracle"water as a method to pursue towards alternative energy production. Artinvegas

[Aaron]

pharma

Sounds unbelievable, the fountain of youth.

though, will wait until other drug companies bring it out, they certainly will if the claims are true.
if in the next 5 years there are no break through s, then the claims made probably were false,
a literal age reversal drug would be number 1 on every pharmaceutical companies list.

One one hand, you view of what a pharmaceutical company would do is
unrealistic. They are profitable when people are sick and need their product
over and over. Reversing age related problems is the LAST thing they want
to do.

On the other hand, a pharmaceutical company DID try to buy this out and
were turned down. They were going to go the FDA route for ONE single
application and would have wound up costing thousands of dollars to use
while milking the insurance companies. In my opinion, their real agenda
would be to shelve it.

[Aaron]

based on experience

I have to agree. I wouldn't be surprised if you get an opposite reaction from what you're expecting.
Why all this secrecy and getting people to get signed up?

If this product really is so good it will speak for itself, the more you shout about it the more you loose credibility.

Mario,

It doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience with a successful
marketing background.

I do what I do based on what works from my personal successful experience.

[Aaron]

links

Hi AAron,

Sorry I missed you at the convention, was hoping to meet you. I did get to spend some time with per however, we had a lot of work getting ready with Rick. had to miss the call last night, is there a link to the Recording and the book I am interested in your results, as I have had other people tell me that the product works.
Tom C

Hi Tom,

It was kind of chaotic bouncing around the conference. Please PM me, I'll give you the direct links.