Don't Kill Dipole

[Jbignes5]

The only problem I see with this take on it is this.

Although you will be able to see the effect I believe that keeping the oscillating source away from the load would be the best choice. This allows you to not worry about depleting the source of what it needs to operate on. If you convert down through a transformer it allows the source to continue unimpeded while inducing movement through the transformer to use at the current operating requirements of our machines.

I believe the approach that Rebus57 has shown is very valid but I think it would be very subjective to the receiving antenna orientation and weather it has a clear connection to that source. If we provide a source that we can control we can use the same method to create a flow that is tailored to our needs.

I have to agree that Rebus's attempt has merit and could be used to figure this out in a more passive attempt but it would allow only a slight portion of the available gain from this method. Also Tesla warned that low pulsations of this impulse technology is not beneficial to mankind. It's does get better the higher you go and at about 20k hz the effects are minute and in fact beneficial to mankind and the environment. It also increases the separation for direct shorts in the device as well. I would hate to see a device lock into a short condition. We have no way to tell what would happen if anything at all. So just be careful in designing a device. Always try to find a way to stop the process in the event of a failure of the device due to shorts.

[dragon]

Very enlightening Rebus57, thanks so much for sharing. I'm far from completely understanding your schematic, the part that stood out right away was the fact you are only changing potential through the load by the voltage needed to run the load. I've been thinking all wrong - I've been trying to convert the HV to LV when in fact I only need to alter the potential between them.
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[Matthew Jones]

PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING. Remember go easy on each other.

Thats what I was looking for experimental theory or proof. Thats pretty good reference and I appreciate the share.

I appreciate the pics and schematics as well thanks Slovenia for posting them.

The key to this is picking up and sorting out with a detector circuit our signal, which I am betting its below 200 HZ ELF and most likley will be found all over the universe.

There is some activity that is interesting below this level.

Thanks again
Matt

[Jbignes5]

All I did was ask for the reference. I asked for someone to point me in the direction you guys are looking. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I stated very clearly I was not trying to belittle anyone or introduce doubt.

Like I said I just have come to different conclusion.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6521-dont-kill-dipole-5.html#post113013

I was afraid this would happen just from me asking. I have been reading the whole time but you have in your traditional style said all kinds of things about Tesla and energy. that I have no reference to further investigate. Pure imagination.
And in keeping, when confronted, you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements.

So I'll go away and continue to read whatever is posted hoping someone will add some facts or show some tests.

The reason I ask and want to further understand come from experiments with Earth batteries. I am finding some very peculiar results that may contribute. As yet I do not understand them, and thats why and am looking for the info to help fill in the missing pieces. But of course when I ask for reference YOU get offended and defensive.


Yes, you can. By allowing multiple points of view to merge with reference to anything that may pertain whether in theory or fact. Keep your eyes open, in other words.

Hopefully someone else may the cover what I am asking.

Matt

Ok just to point out what you did say...

" Some what is proposed is to far out there.
Some people float along in imagination when all the while there are practical examples and clues to what could really be happening. The pierce arrow is an example. There is no definitive information that state he was doing what most people imagine."

Also there is no proof that Tesla was stagnated into thinking the same after his ideas were rejected by greedy men. So your conclusion could be just as wrong or way out there as well. There is nothing in Tesla's order of experimentation that shows a pattern of rehashing old technologies. He was always looking for new ways to do what he deemed the goal. There is more proof that if it failed to complete he would approach the problem from a different view. He discovered a new way to him to interact with the environment like he did before with a twist. A new direction based off what he learned from the previous denial of his new system. Since he couldn't get the "man" of the day to free man from the shackles that he himself unleashed he felt it was his responsibility to fix that situation. He went deeper in his experiments to find a way to include both activator and collector of that activation in one unit so no one could control the process. But you have to go in order of everything he wrote about that hunt to figure out the direction he was going. Luckily he left a great many clue in all the publications he submitted to the public domain. These publications included magazine articles and even what we can find of his experimental journals. Even I being well versed in his publications am finding new sources to read his views everyday. So to say you have read just about everything about his recorded history is a little over the top of a statement.

And then you say this? "you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements." No one is reading anything into your statements you are posting clearly insultive posts for nothing but your own amusement. I do take this as an issue that needs a response. Like I said you are welcome here but you need to have the decency to allow others to think outside of the box of our current system. We have no other direction to go because out of all the 100 or so years that our current system can not explain and if they can they need to create math to explain it. If after all that time we still can not use energy the way we should be able to then our current system is flawed.

We have nothing but imagination Mathew at this point. You got to understand the scale at which we base this info on. Thats the smallest we could ever imagine. We will never be able to see this scale and that takes inferences from what we can see in nature. It has patterns and real effects on the largest scales and this is what we are basing this new area on.

As to facts about what we are basing this on we have posted very clearly what we have based this on. This really isn't about the Tesla box per say. That is the evidence that there is energy everywhere and if you devise a method to attract that energy you can tap the vehicle that nature uses to run everything without damaging the whole process.

You are most welcome here Mathew as long as you can see with open eyes and actually read what we post here. If you have you would have seen the connections just like everyone else. That was and is the theory mode and now we are looking to prove this through our experiments. We do have to devise experiments to show that proof and that is the step we are on now. If you would like to join us to give us a pragmatic side to the equation that would be acceptable but don't tell people it is only in their imagination. We could say the same for half of what is in our current system that has to specialize in one area and not be held to the whole system that is in place in order to work.

We assume that we push current and that is furthest from the truth if you follow that energy(charges) are every where. If we provide a potential there has to be something real to provide the transform into the real. Since there is such a thing as static electricity it must mean that the nearest companion effect is either based or constituting this effect as a component. Statics are the potential. We have a great many devices that were explored before electricity including way into our past that our archeologists are finding the proof recently.

In our vanity we are thinking we are the first to have an advanced civilization on this planet and now that is becoming a false conclusion.

[Slovenia]

No Explanation Required

Hi Rebus57,

You don't have to prove anything to anyone here at Energetic. We are just very happy to have you here. We are extremely happy with whatever information you choose to share with us. Just ignore anyone who tries to put you on the spot. I will run interference for you.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

. I did not intend to debate the paperwork or where I saw it.

[Rebus57]

More from center field

PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING. I did not intend to debate the paperwork or where I saw it. The facts are that ALL things related to this stuff were purged from the system long ago. I have not in 10yrs playing around with this stuff heard of anyone going in my direction and just wanted to share it with all who might be working towards this device. As for a simple explination my posted theory is as simple as I could make it I thought. Let me try another way. During transmission from your local AM radio station the outgoing signal will "ring" the atmosphere around the transmission antenna and a signal opposite from the origional is generated and will continue to build until outgoing or transmitted signal is blocked completely. To counter this a circuit is between transmitter and antenna tuned to this opposite signal, this "waste" energy is bled to ground through a very expensive copper ground plane buried like a spider web around antenna site. This is what I am trying to achieve, pickup a signal (cosmic) have it generate the "waste" energy on the current collector rod, feed that through the output tubes firing them to get desired output frequency. The key to this is picking up and sorting out with a detector circuit our signal, which I am betting its below 200 HZ ELF and most likley will be found all over the universe. Now as for the prototype. I built a version of the Gray conversion element switching tube using spark plugs for my spark gap, a motorcycle ignition coil for my high voltage, a couple of triacs triggered by a 2 LED blinker cir. instead of blinking LED's it fired my triacs feeding 12 vdc+ to the coil. Spark plug wire from coil was connected to the anode of current collector tube and spark plug connected to 12 vdc+, with power for coil and spark plug both connected to 12 vdc+ the only thing connected to 12 vdc- was a 20 ga wire for blinky cir. and batt voltage stayed at 12.23 steady during operation. The plate for CC Tube was connected to the anodes of the output tubes and spark plugs also used as spark gaps they too were firing indicating power flow through CC Tube, at this point I have not realized to use resistors to split my output tube's voltage so no light bulbs were illuminated, but flow through cir was observed and that was good enough for me to move forward on this path. I knew this cir was not right for final design but worked to test the Gray tube operation. Finally I am trying to stay away from the words of big brother, R@#!^%& (pickup) and T%&*#@!^ (ringing or to ring) and A&%$##@ (current collector rod). Remember go easy on each other.

[Slovenia]

Thanks Rebus57!!!

Hi Rebus57,

Thanks for sharing your information with us. This is great stuff!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Matthew Jones]

All I did was ask for the reference. I asked for someone to point me in the direction you guys are looking. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I stated very clearly I was not trying to belittle anyone or introduce doubt.

Like I said I just have come to different conclusion.

MISLED! We are too arrogant to admit that we could have been wrong this whole time.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post113013

I was afraid this would happen just from me asking. I have been reading the whole time but you have in your traditional style said all kinds of things about Tesla and energy. that I have no reference to further investigate. Pure imagination.
And in keeping, when confronted, you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements.

So I'll go away and continue to read whatever is posted hoping someone will add some facts or show some tests.

The reason I ask and want to further understand come from experiments with Earth batteries. I am finding some very peculiar results that may contribute. As yet I do not understand them, and thats why and am looking for the info to help fill in the missing pieces. But of course when I ask for reference YOU get offended and defensive.

My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?

Yes, you can. By allowing multiple points of view to merge with reference to anything that may pertain whether in theory or fact. Keep your eyes open, in other words.

Hopefully someone else may the cover what I am asking.

Matt

[Jbignes5]

What Mathew does...

This is a clear example of what Mathew does.

My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?

So you think that Tesla stayed with the transmission effect he found? Even after his big tower got tanked? After J.P Morgan pulled the funding and tower because of what Tesla was trying to do...

Tesla knew one thing after that. No one would fund a project like that again. So in order to still work on the experiments he retooled and after a while he devised a new way to broadcast while costing near nothing to do so and receive in the local environment of the unit a special kind of flow that was created by the broadcast he setup in the very same unit. He did both in the same unit. In fact if you read back in the earlier posts you will see that there is a few posts by me that shows that Tesla moved onto experimenting with static machines. Now I am guessing you are saying why... Hmmm does Crooks sound familiar. He went back to his mentors roots and figured that was the only way to get what he needed.

Now you can come here and apologize then say put up your proof only so you can see the way. Well that is not gonna happen beyond what we have done already or as we experiment and report our findings. You want to find out how he did it then maybe you should change your approach and stop belittling everyone that is trying to go a different route then what you think you know as truth. Just because someone says there is an electron does not mean there is. There is zero proof there is one yet everything based on electronics and electricity says there is????

Now if you want to come and join us, there is room but please stop knocking others attempts to explain this concept and how they see it operating. It goes against what this forum is about and what our thread here is trying to formulate for a new kind of natural science.

[Matthew Jones]

No I understand. And I don't want to impose doubt. Or belittle anything.
I just try to think of things in simpler terms. Some what is proposed is to far out there.
Some people float along in imagination when all the while there are practical examples and clues to what could really be happening. The pierce arrow is an example. There is no definitive information that state he was doing what most people imagine.
There is on the other quite a bit evidence to conclude he could have been generating and processing the signal. This was a big bases for his work.

And even if we take into account Moray there is no definitive for saying they tapped a field of energy. Moray could have very well been generating his energy through a galvanic type response from the materials in his tubes. The whole process cold have possibly been triggered by naturally occurring frequencies.

If you look Floyd Sweet's work with Barium this is the case. He induced an oscillating magnetic field with frequency of energy feed to the cast barium magnet. And this very same process is in use today in the mainstream. Not at the same scale but...

https://www.htw-saarland.de/fut/fue-berichte/memory-motors_ostovic_2002.pdf

Either way I am just trying to find out if I am missing something or not. I just don't seem to come to the same conclusions.

And I hope something comes along that changes that.

Matt

[Slovenia]

Tesla Car Post

Hi Matthew,

The purpose of this thread is to get Tesla free energy generation up and running and to help get us all off grid. I brought the Tesla car post link into play because I could tell the author of the article was quite astute in Tesla Tech. I was looking for new blood to help us in our quest. So, I'm not concerned about what methodology Tesla used to operate his Pierce Arrow. We do have some really sharp Tesla guys on this thread working at trying to come up with some circuits we can build as we try to get this show on the road. I'm hoping our new Tesla guy who posted the Pierce Arrow article will come back to Energetic Forum and help us. I do have a fellow here on site that will probably address your question but, I wanted you to understand why we got a little off track with the Pierce Arrow scenario. I was just looking for a new Tesla guy to help us.

Thanks for your interest in our thread.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.

Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.
The one thing I have never read is the simplest answer for what it really was or might have been based on what we know he did. A wireless electrical receiver.
We know he broadcast electricity in some form or another.

Using Occam's razor that would be the simplest explanation. He was broadcasting the energy he used in the car. He did it before in Aspen.

The receiver was a way of converting a high frequency transmission back to usable current. Maybe even grabbing extra energy from the RF bandwidth or above. A super crystal radio if you will.

So I guess what I am trying to find out is what specific article or patent has led you guys to believe that for some reason Tesla pulled this power out of the air or active environment without first generating it?

I have read most what has been written on him. Probably most of his patents. Nothing I have seen could lead me to believe other wise.

And you got to consider even broadcasting a generated signal and recombining it into use able current is still a pretty fantastic thing and I know of experiments that say that is possible.

Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

Matt

[Slovenia]

Very Cool Tesla Link

Great Tesla Link:
Nikola Tesla - the man who electrified the world!!

[dragon]

I haven't read through that patent - admittedly only looked at it's construction. It appeared to have a "thumb" drive like the geared flashlights which might be better served using standard gearing for constant speed. I need to read more on the wimhurst to get a better understanding of it... it looks like a fairly complicated design. The roller unit that Armegdn03 posted is elegantly simple if it works as stated.

The vacuum system driving a tesla turbine sounds like it would require quite a bit of energy depending on the volumn of air required to run it, I haven't played with one so I really don't know how efficient they are or what it takes to run one.

I've used a magnetic drive on a sealed pressurized stirling engine. This requires no seals as there are no output shafts, it's simply coupled to the output via magnetic coupling. Adds a little to the cost overall but it could remove the need for a continuous vacuum supply. If the input requirement to turn the static generator and the variable capacitor was low enough a tiny motor could be used.... I fear that may not be the case though... I don't know how much force is required to move the charged plates in and out of position. One step at a time I guess -

I finished the outer copper capacitor on the pyramid. It came in at 800 pf with a Q of around 98 which was surprising. I haven't been able to measure anything useful from it as it sits, it does work nicely as an antenna. I connected it as a top load on a kacher which worked quite well. Connected to an antenna wire the scope shows about 3 volts rms with a 10-15 volt p-p and it will light an LED on the exposed copper. Fun little project that should be fun to play with between projects....
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[Jbignes5]

To answer your earlier question about what the small Wimhurst generator..

If you read the text of the patent it tells you the best voltage potential that a 2-3 inch etched printed circuit board conductor was 6k volts. I am thinking that multiple units in a row can increase that slightly. It says that size can be adjusted and the rate flies up as the size does. Pretty impressive from a small unit like that.
The drive mechanism is weird and could have a solenoid driver for that in pulse mode or even a straight drive mechanism if we could figure out how to keep a vacuum on it to improve the capabilities of the source. We could use one for each side of the variable caps to increase the flow power I am thinking. This would allow more punch from side to side. Kinda how they use in audio amps situations. Home made leyden jars would be the best option there and could even use cheap oil as the dielectric to increase the capacity of the leyden jars.

I was also thinking how we could design the vacuum systems and we could do it in a multiple layout. A vacuum system would need an in and an out right. On the in would be the vacuum and the out could couple to a tesla turbine to extract mechanical rotation to drive the static generator and variable capacitor setup.

I think we would need a small motor to start the process and can be used like a starter on a car but we could also turn it from active mode to passive to generate more if need be.

Let me know how that sounds and if I didn't include anything you might have thought about?