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  • Jbignes5
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    When adding the parts.

    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Since it's made out of steel already I may have to modify it a bit. Maybe build a structure under it and use that as the cap. I'll give your suggestions a try and see what I can come up with. It's been a "secondary" project to my others and I've been playing with it off and on when I get stuck on the others.. a good distraction to clear my head.
    Try to build on it not under it. Right now it is a static shield on the inside. So building on it is the only way to do it. Cover it with a dielectric like plastic and then put a cap on the tip over the dielectric. Not a huge tip but just enough to get a good capacitance from. The better the conductor used in the tip the smaller the tip needs to be at that point. Try aluminum because that reacts differently to magnetic events then say copper or steel.
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  • dragon
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    Since it's made out of steel already I may have to modify it a bit. Maybe build a structure under it and use that as the cap. I'll give your suggestions a try and see what I can come up with. It's been a "secondary" project to my others and I've been playing with it off and on when I get stuck on the others.. a good distraction to clear my head.
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    Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 10:53 AM.

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  • Jbignes5
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    Have you applied the modifications?

    Right now all you have is a pyramidal antenna. You need to make it a capacitor and make sure it stays on the ground. So adding a dielectric layer might get you a lot more.If you add the metal tip after the dielectric this is where things get interesting. You now have a wave guide that amplifies from base to tip. I doubt you will need metal sheath on the outside of the pyramid only the tip needs a metal cover.

    I believe that once the charge has built up it forms lines of force that connect the bottom corners to the tips corners. This allows a stream to form from base to tip. This increases the pull it has on surrounding charges and pulls them to the tip. Connect a wire to the tip and this should be the charge collector or potential well. With the base being a lower potential you can run in dc mode that way. If you get a pulsing then add a cap as well to even that out and you should be good to go. Only use the one wire method to pull charges off the tip. Meaning that now you need to do this in the same way Tesla does. Source to wire through a diode to the load and to a plate for the virtual ground. It should work but you might not need the diode and a cap would only filter the output.

    I have not done this experiment so these are merely suggestions.

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  • dragon
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    Thats quite interesting - I thought it might be a bit of a stupid question after I posted it but I really wasn't clear. One of my experiments some months back, charging a metal can capacitor to 6500 volts I noticed a static field around it, almost breeze like. I could actually take a neon, holding one terminal and as I got closer to the cap it would light without actually touching it. I presumed at the time that I was the lower potential ( mass or capacitance ) allowing the field to create a path through the bulb. The same experiment ended up being a self oscillator through a spark gap which would run for a very very long time. Passive oscillator I'm guessing.

    I played with Dr. Stifflers SGate a good part of yesterday and did get an LED to light, although very faintly. Tuning is definately a problem as I don't know the frequencies coming in from the ground. My scope showed a considerably varying frequency so I couldn't pin point anything. At one point I had a blinking LED. I would imagine the outcome - output - would vary quite a bit depending on where your were in the world.

    The pyramid experiments haven't yeilded anything as yet although the scope shot, measuring it in various places is kind of strange. It appears to be picking up the 60hz signal in the house but the output is a really odd looking saw tooth wave.
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  • Jbignes5
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    Originally posted by dragon View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between "static voltage" created by say a wimhurst machine, or the HV created by a Neon transformer or other similar method. Other than one is man made - conventional using power - and the other is environmental. Is there an actual difference between the energies or their properties?
    Even Tesla was asking that and to the best of his ability there is little difference. They are the same component. Except that the static voltage is a constant value and the electrically made one is a fluctuating value. Like Dr. Stiffler is showing you can do both but you need a way to provide the whole static potential in the alternating oscillator to the load. This is done with the AV plug which half rectifies the oscillation into a pulsed positive or negative potential which when combined with a capacitance smooths out that pulsing. When combined with an antenna (plate) it gets it's flow from the potential difference of the source (av plug+cap) and the lower potential of the plate hung in the environment. This can and will run a load but it is dependent on the size of the plate (mass) and the frequency of the pulsing of the source plus the voltage supplied by the source.
    It would also need to have very tight tuning with the load in order to get it to resonate and pull in higher current which is a tough thing to tune unless you figured out the resonance first, which most don't.

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  • dragon
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    Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between "static voltage" created by say a wimhurst machine, or the HV created by a Neon transformer or other similar method. Other than one is man made - conventional using power - and the other is environmental. Is there an actual difference between the energies or their properties?
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    Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 10:53 AM.

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  • Jbignes5
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    Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
    I'm trying to think of a way to make my bike wheel ssg an electrostatic generator aswell as what it already does, it has an alloy wheel and plastic fan blades , can anyone think of a way to use the wheel to generate static like a van de graff machine or something similar I don't mind running the SSG to make it work.

    Any idea's, The output would be separate to the ssg output of course, with only 150 to 180 rpm it would it be too slow?

    Cheers
    That would be a fantastic Idea. The one thing about a static generator is that they don't need a lot of torque or high speeds because they use multiple tabs to collect the charges. If you add a disk to one side you should be able to make such a setup. I would go with a Wimherst machine since they are the generator. It seems that all the van der graaff machines I have looked at only change the static to another form except for the friction machines. You might find something along the lines in my previous posts about a list of machines from Google patents. I'm sure there is a good setup in those.

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  • Slovenia
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    Thanks

    Dragon & Wwdotme

    Thanks for your take on the Tesla guy at the other website. I shall invite him over to join us and see if he'll share any of his Tesla information and clarify his post.

    Best Regards,
    Slovenia

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  • Farmhand
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    Bike Wheel Electrotatic generator ?

    I'm trying to think of a way to make my bike wheel ssg an electrostatic generator aswell as what it already does, it has an alloy wheel and plastic fan blades , can anyone think of a way to use the wheel to generate static like a van de graff machine or something similar I don't mind running the SSG to make it work.

    Any idea's, The output would be separate to the ssg output of course, with only 150 to 180 rpm it would it be too slow?

    Cheers

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  • wwdotme
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    Extremely interesting read Slovenia
    thank you

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  • dragon
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    Splitting the positive is like a tesla switch in his theory. Interesting read although difficult to follow, it doesn't create a good picture in my mind as to what he's doing overall. I don't have an understanding of the old tube type devices so he totally lost me there. Picture explanations are truly worth 1000 words as they say....
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    Last edited by dragon; 05-11-2011, 10:52 AM.

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  • Slovenia
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    Tesla Guy

    I stumbled across another Tesla guy this evening who appears to have some interesting ideas. Here is a link to his information on his take of the Tesla Pierce Arrow.



    Anyway, his information seemed very fascinating to me. He might be able to help us here.

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  • Slovenia
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    Thanks

    Thank you very much Jbignes5.

    Originally posted by Jbignes5 View Post
    I knew what you were saying... No offense was taken at all...

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  • Jbignes5
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    I didn't take it bad at all...

    I knew what you were saying... No offense was taken at all...

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  • Slovenia
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    Your the Man Jbignes5

    Hi Jbignes5,

    I was out watering the yard and I got to thinking that my good friend Jbignes5 might take my post the wrong way and so I beat feet into the house to kill my post. Well, you had already seen it.

    I meant no offense to you when I posted my last post. You are the first Tesla guy I know who really understands Tesla and Bearden who has been willing to share with me and the others. Many guys claim to know Tesla and Bearden but don't share anything useful. I have known a lot of those types for a long time. They all say they are under some non disclosure commitment or are getting ready to patent what they have found or something similar to this type of rationale for not sharing. Many of those guys I feel don't have a clue about Tesla but like the notoriety. I do feel that we have some fellows watching us here who know the secrets because they are part of the group who has kept the secrets from us for so long. They didn't figure out the stuff like maybe a few of you but were privy to it directly. So, I just wanted to say Jbignes5 that I appreciate you very much and all you have shared. I believe in you. I believe we are close to a solution to this thing. I was just praying for some other knowledge to be shared with us too from other persons in the know.

    Best Regards,
    Slovenia

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