My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[rickoff]

Was the Sphinx documented by the Sumerians?

Quoted from Ancient cities under the sands of Giza

It was recorded in ancient Sumerian cylinder seals that the secret abode of the Anunnaki was "an underground place. . . entered through a tunnel, its entrance hidden by sand and by what they call Huwana. . .his teeth as the teeth of a dragon, his face the face of a lion". That remarkable old text, unfortunately fragmented, added that "He [Huwana] is unable to move forward, nor is he able to move back", but they crept up on him from behind and the way to "the secret abode of the Anunnaki" was no longer blocked. The Sumerian record provided a probable description of the Sphinx at Giza, and if that great creature was built to guard or obliterate ancient stairways and lower passages leading to subterranean areas below and around it, then its symbolism was most appropriate.

While we know that the Sphinx has the body of a lion, the head appears to be human and of Egyptian characteristics, and that would seem to contradict what is stated in the above quote. But something isn't quite right about the proportions of the head to the body - it is way too small in comparison. An answer to this lies in the fact that there is hardly any sign of erosion at the head, while the body shows definite signs of water erosion. Thus, it is likely that the original head was eroded substantially, not having been protected by sand cover as was the lower body, and that the Egyptians cut away the eroded lion's head and fashioned a new and much smaller head bearing the features of an Egyptian, probably as ordered by one of the pharaohs. The Sumerian quote, shown above, says, "the face of a lion," and would therefore make sense as a reference to the Sphinx, especially considering the alignment of the Sun to the constellation Leo in 10,500 BC, with the Sphinx directly facing the rising Sun as reported in my 2nd previous post today.

The above linked website offers a great deal of information concerning the underground passages and chambers in and around Giza. These are extensive, and not only provide a connection between the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid, but to the other Giza structures and to a labyrinth of rooms, courts, and halls 125 feet and more below the Giza plateau, and cut from solid bedrock. This also is said to extend into a massive, natural underground cavern that extends eastward from the Giza plateau and beneath Cairo. A virtual underground city. Ground penetrating radar has confirmed the existence of such passages and chambers, and recent satellite imagery has detected other nearby sites where underground cities are likely to be found. It would seem that these were built in expectance of a catastrophic event, rather than as the result of one, and would appear to have been included as part of the plans of the Giza complex. From eyewitness accounts of what was seen in these underground areas, they would appear to be no less spectacular than the above ground structures.

Rick

[rickoff]

"In that that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts". ISAIAH 19, 19-20.

That is the great pyramid.

As a note, in the biblical verse, how can it be in the "midst" and at the
border of Egypt at the same time? Giza means Border And Giza really isn't in the literal middle or midst of Egypt, which midst is a very subjective term.

Actually, Aaron, it is in the true center of ancient Egypt. In ancient times, before the unification of the country, there was lower Egypt (north) and upper Egypt (south). The borderline between the two Egypts goes right through the Pyramid, thus placing the Pyramid both in the center and at the border of Egypt.

Rick

[rickoff]

What the Egyptians don't want
is to admit that the builders of the pyramids were not their ancestors.

I believe the pyramid is 12000-14000 years old seems like common sense
when looking at just a few factors. Orion was rising above the horizon at
a certain time of the year only back during that time frame of which the
Giza complex is a mirror image of the Orion constellation. 3 pyramids are the belt and the sphinx is m42 or m43 (orion nebula location).

I'm with you, Aaron, in thinking that the age of the Giza complex is likely in that range, if not older. An age of 12, 510 years, for example, would date the complex to 10, 500 BC, and as I pointed out in an earlier post this was the last time at which the Giza complex was aligned as a perfectIlluminating the Mysteries of the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx - by Jan Wicherink


Rick

[eternalightwithin]

That would be awesome. I always wondered about a timeline.
Let's keep it factual. ie. multiple resources that agree and logically fit.


David

[Jbignes5]

Here is a thought.

Could we start an experiment in thought.

With what we have gleaned so far do you think it would be wise to form a timeline based off of everything being discussed here.

Starting with the Creation story from the Sumerian and going from what is evident from our own knowledge as well. Maybe that could help us is seeing the whole to make more connections out of.

[Jbignes5]

Hi Jbignes5;



With reference to your statement above;





Full article here;


Al

The borrowing theory is sound. After all where did we find the biggest cache of seals and tablets from the Sumerian society? Iraq and the surrounding territories. If we found them then it is only natural to think that someone else found them as well. They translated them loosely and used them to form their own religion loosely based off of the Sumerian accounts.

Since the Sumerian society was the predecessor of the Egyptian society and others around that area it would be only natural for them to borrow from what was available. I was only looking for a source of the stories told in the bible and this fits well with that search.
Although the translation was loose it still kept it's content and that is evident in the parallelism of the two when compared, like the creation and flood stories.

[Jbignes5]

I am lovin this....

Ravi posted something very extensive relating to this. I wasn't very
familiar with it but his document is somewhere in this forum.

Jbigness, if this is going too far off track let us know.

Absolutely not my friend. You guys are hitting harmonies that only ring my senses. Do not be afraid to explore. It is the only way we will find the truth. Exploration is the greatest tool we have here.

Just remember I want to explore the Pyramids. Not religion. Use references but when it comes to beliefs leave them in your heart. Although I understand that belief is a strong tool it is too easy to get off the facts. The number sequence is not off track here and only goes to show there is something behind it all. After all this is how Rodin got his ah ha moment.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Schpankme;

The Most Accurate Level There Is ?

No, this type is and a lot more practical.

NMAH | Surveying & Geodesy | Automatic Level

How long a hose would you need to do a 1000' diam. circle. Plus hard to drag around when setting grade stakes on 25' centers on a grid that large.
Also hard to transfer the exact height you need to your grade stake. You also have an effect (I forget it's name) which is caused by the liquid crawling up the sides of the tube while staying lower in the center which affects the reading if using a clear tube.

Using the instrument and a surveyors "rod" you can transfer the height from a point of known elevation to any point you wish or use it as a base elevation and go up or down on the rod to the elevation you want. A special type known as a lenker rod makes it even easier.
The hardest part is driving the grade stakes into compacted limestone without shattering them.

The oldest known surviving concrete is to be found in the former Yugoslavia and was thought to have been laid in 5,600 BC using red lime as the cement. 5,000 years before the Romans.

Interesting, but the discussion was about Roman concrete which can be made. It's not widely used due to the slow (at least 30 days) cure time.

Al

[Schpankme]

The Riddle of Ancient Roman Concrete

The oldest known surviving concrete is to be found in the former Yugoslavia and was thought to have been laid in 5,600 BC using red lime as the cement. 5,000 years before the Romans.

- Schpankme

[ANTIQUER]

Roman cement

Hi Aaron;

Thought this would interest you; very thorough report.

The Riddle of Ancient Roman Concrete, David Moore, PE

Al

[Schpankme]

It had to be graded (leveled) to 1/8" across the entire surface and the side angles were within 1/10 of 1 second of arc.

The Most Accurate Level There Is ?

- Schpankme

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Stealth;

Most skyscrapers are as much as two feet out of square. That is an acceptible measurement in that size of structure. Good Luck. Stealth

I think they needed better experts. Regardless of who said it that statement is ridiculous. I don't know any contractor who would hire him based on that statement.
I worked on an engineering crew when the NASA complex was being built. We built the Radar Boresight Range which was an area 1000' long, 400' wide on the narrow end and 700' wide on the other end.It had to be graded (leveled) to 1/8" across the entire surface and the side angles were within 1/10 of 1 second of arc. They used it to establish that the Saturn rockets launched from the other side of the Indian River were going up on course. We used instruments called transits to lay out the angles. They have been replaced in general usage by theodolites which are even more accurate; some incorporate lasers. Any instrument man can lay out a perfect square on the ground the size of the pyramid using a theodolite and engineer's measuring chain (type of measuring tape). If he was really sloppy it might be out by 1/8".

I'm not sure what is meant by "orientation": Magnetic? Stellar? or relating the n-s axis 90 degrees to the e-w axis?

I'd like to see that show if anyone has a link.

Al

[sucahyo]

I don't think they used money then. The reference to Jewish shekels in building the Tabernacle is as a weight of silver or gold. The earliest money found so far came from much later during the time of Joseph.

I think there should be money units in gold / silver & copper?

Stone is cut?

Exodus:31
4 to devise artistic work -- to work in gold, and in silver, and in copper, 5 and in cutting of stones, for setting, and for carving of timber -- to work in all manner of work

In no accurate sense was Moses, if he ever lived, a Hebrew at all; indeed, he is expressly called “an Egyptian” (Ex. 2:19). Certainly he did not speak the Hebrew language, since it was non-existent as such, and after four hundred years in Egyptian slavery the slave descendants of Jacob the Syrian, had evidently ceased to have any knowledge of their old tongue and could speak only an Egyptian dialect.

Do current arabian and hebrew speak (not write) the same and thus both derived from egyptian language?

[Schpankme]

In that that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts". ISAIAH 19, 19-20.

According to the Bible chronology, Moses lived some 1500 years before Christ; the date of his exodus out of Egypt with the Israelites or Hebrews; is laid down as the year 1491 Before Christ, or some 2500 years after the Biblical creation of the world.

So, if Moses wrote the account of the creation, the fall of man, the flood and other notable historical events recorded in Genesis, he wrote of things happening, if ever they happened, 2500 years more or less before his earthly time, and some of them before even man was created on earth; things which Moses of course could not personally have known.

Indeed, in the light of modern knowledge, it is quite evident that Moses and ; or, if at all, on the theory of their 430 years in Egypt, only in Egyptian hieroglyphs. Not till many centuries later did the Hebrews acquire the art of writing.Just like the descendants of the African slaves, brought to America three hundred or more years ago, do not speak today the strange dialects of their native land.

As the story is recorded in Exodus II, the princess of Pharaoh (what was his name) spied the ark in the Nile, "had compassion on" the babe and rescued him; after-wards, when he grew, "he became her son". Now the remarkable incident: "And she called his name Moses: and she said, "Because I drew him out of the water" (Ex. 2:10). What has "Moses" to do with "drew" out of the water? In the original Hebrew it is a play on words: "and she called his name Mosheh, ... Because meshethi (I drew) him out of the waters" a language which came about centuries later.

The processes of the formation of the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures are, however, interesting and intriguing, if sacred tradition is true. According to priestly lore, the man Moses, "learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians" (another Christian assurance; Acts VII, 22), sat down in the Wilderness of Sinai and under divine inspiration wrote his Five Books of prehistorical history, codes of post-exilic divine Law, and chronicles of contemporary and future notable events, including four different names of his father-in-law -- (Wz.: Jethro, Ex. III, 1; Reuel, Ex. II, 18; Jether, Ex. IV, 18, and Raguel, Num. X, 29, while a fifth name, Hobab, is awarded him in Judges IV, II).

Next we our lead to believe that Moses together with a graphic account of his own death and burial, and of the whole month after-wards spent by all Is-ra-el mourning his death. He also records the death of his brother Aaron at Mt. Hor (Num. XX, 28; XXXIII, 38), just six months before his own death; though, in amazing contradiction, he elsewhere records Aaron as having died at Mosera, just after leaving Sinai (Deut. X, 6), thirty-nine years previously -- and thus nullifies the entire history of the wonderful career and deeds of Aaron as high priest during the whole 40 years of wandering in the Wilderness, of which the Books of Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are largely filled; as also many other matters and things occurring for some centuries after his death, and known as "post-Mosaic" to the scholars.

- Schpankme

[ANTIQUER]

Hi sucahyo;

So Moses and pharaoh did use the same language?

And they have money / coin at that time?

Moses and Pharaoh both spoke Egyptian. I don't know if Pharaoh spoke Hebrew, he may have considered that beneath his royal status.

I don't think they used money then. The reference to Jewish shekels in building the Tabernacle is as a weight of silver or gold. The earliest money found so far came from much later during the time of Joseph.

I'll try to get back to you on the King Solomon video's.

Al