My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[Jbignes5]

Right on rick...

Since I lack the forum skills of micro quoting I'll try my best to answer them on a copy and paste method.

Ricks quote "I am familiar with the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and it also extends into our own orbital domain. That does present the possibility that either an additional dwarf planet, or a somewhat larger mass may have existed, but it is not proof of such a theory. The asteroid belt may just as well be material that never formed into an additional planet, and this is thought to be the case because the strong gravitational effects from Jupiter disturbed the natural process that would have otherwise brought these materials together. The failure of this planetary formation is explained here:"

Although most of the time I think it totally out sometimes I miss my point. What was in the asteroid belt is what was left of a planet going boom. That in itself would have been a radiant event. Meaning 360 degree dispursion. The smaller particles or asteriods would have become stuck right where they were. But the much larger chunks would have been thrown clear and most likely became commets.

Ricks quote "Actually, there isn't enough material within the asteroid belt to evidence prior existence of a planet. The current total mass of the asteroid belt is equal to about 4% of the mass of our Moon. It certainly is possible, though, that a collision between two of the larger formed masses within the asteroid belt may indeed have sent one of these asteroids off course and directly into the path of Mars, where it could have caused a cataclysmic event of the nature that you suggest. Something on the order of the event here on Earth that is thought to have decimated the dinosaurs and brought an end to that era."

I do believe that the seperate events you mentioned would have been the same event. My thoughts on this was that they predicted this event before hand and started to move to our planet. This would have given them the time to setup the pyramids and build the rest of that original city built around the Pyramids. I believe the pyramids were focusers of our own planets natural energy. The evidence points to that already. A huge flat mountain underneath the sand means that it could bear the weight of the pyramids push on the world or to be used for the shoring up of the protective field as well. Thats kills three problems all at once. The sideways push on the earth that would have been needed to restore the axis of the earth, the strengthening of the fields that the Pyramids were pointing at and power generation for thier rescue camp.

Ricks Quote "I'm not familiar with the term "statalites," but I suspect you meant satellites, right? It also would appear that you use the term to identify the planets which are orbiting the Sun, while normally the definition of a satellite is an object that orbits a planet - such as our moon, or man-made satellites. I do undertstand the reasoning behind the theory that the terrestrial planets were pulled in closer to the Sun, but a shift of that magnitude just doesn't seem likely when you consider that the total mass of the asteroid belt is just 4% that of our moon. If these asteroids are in fact the remnants of a previously existing planet then that planet's attraction effect upon the other planets would have been very small, and not likely to have caused any considerable shift in orbital positions of the planets. Then too, if such a shift had occurred that would have been drastic enough to cause Mars' atmospere to burn off, as you suggested earlier, then surely Earth would have suffered a similar fate even faster, and the "alignment" problem you speak of would have been the lesser of Earth's worries. If Earth had been a life-sustaining planet before such a shift in orbital position, then to prevent loss of this self-sustaining nature Earth's previous orbit would have had to be reapproximated. Is there any evidence to support how or if such an orbital realignment could have happened?"

Rick just one question here.. Have you ever seen a planet explode? I suspect that no one really has. I do believe it would be much like cracking an egg open. The stuff that is in the belt is the stuff that could not escape the solar system. It is 4% of our moon capacity. That doesn't mean it is the main mass as well. I believe if such an event would happen the much larger chunks got thrown with great force allowing them to escape our soloar systems pull. Yes I made a spelling error with the satellites comment. You have to understand if gravity is made up and is just a observation of the results of a much easier to understand explaination then gravity as we know it is the wrong terminology.

Ricks quote "No need to apologize, J. What you have to say is interesting and worth reading, even if we aren't in agreement on this theory. Yes, perhaps the points that I bring up will help you to rethink some of this and come to new conclusions that help to solidify the proposed theory by satisfactorily explaining the problems which I perceived."

This is exactly why I am so glad you came here. We both have a innate way to disect what we see and I am extreemely proud that I have provoked an interest in you of these ideas I am putting forth. The problem I have is putting what I see in my mind in writing. Sometimes they get swirled up because my mind races from one subject to another. This confuses me to no end. Although I have tried to keep myself on track I find myself connecting to other thoughts and ideas that should not have a connection. I thank you with all my heart for making me rethink this so that it will become much clearer in my presentation.


Ricks quote "Are you suggesting that the "focusers" would have been used in the same way that the focusers on alien space craft are said to work - creating a pathway which the craft then follows? If so, and if it is actually feasible to move an entire planet by these means, then of course it would not only have been possible to realign Earth's axis, but to restore its original orbital path as well. And If this could be done with our planet then it would also have been possible to move the other terrestrial planets out to their restored orbits, and that would have been necessary in successfully completing such an endeavor. Seems like a gargantuan task for even the most technologically advanced of beings, but is certainly plausible if the technology to do this actually exists."

Well think about it the Earth didn't move that far outside the the golden zone that few have talked about in the serch for other habitable planets. So All one needed to do was restore the tilt of the planet back to it's original or near there alignment.

Ricks quote "Edgar Cayce was stunningly accurate on a great many of the things he revealed, and I too think his revelation about the then undiscovered compartment beneath the Sphinx has validity, and that it holds the key to an understanding of the true purpose of the pyramids, and of the beings who designed and constructed them."

Yeah he was actually in a regressed state, a previous life if you will. Some say he had intimate knowledge because thats what he did when he was working in the pyramid. Weather that is true remains to be seen but others have gone thru regressive therapy to only give information that was previosly unkown. Who knows with all the dna we have there could be code in there to give us clues thru self regression in this case.

Rick like I have said before please understand I value your opinions and they are in fact helping me to clarify my thoughts on this and for that I will thank you again!

John

[Michael John Nunnerley]

just for thought from another angle

Precession of the Earth's Axis

Mike

[rickoff]

Rick there are some good points.
I made an error actually the extra planet i refered to was not the thirteenth but and extra planet. The proof of such a planet exists and that proof is in the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter.

I am familiar with the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and it also extends into our own orbital domain. That does present the possibility that either an additional dwarf planet, or a somewhat larger mass may have existed, but it is not proof of such a theory. The asteroid belt may just as well be material that never formed into an additional planet, and this is thought to be the case because the strong gravitational effects from Jupiter disturbed the natural process that would have otherwise brought these materials together. The failure of this planetary formation is explained here: Astronomers Report Observational Evidence That Terrestrial Planets Form Around Nearby Stars

The process by which planets are formed is discussed here: HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?

If there was a planet there and there certainly is enough leftover to be such a planet in the belt it would have hit mars first. Thats what killed mars. It blasted mars and shielded us to an extent.

Actually, there isn't enough material within the asteroid belt to evidence prior existence of a planet. The current total mass of the asteroid belt is equal to about 4% of the mass of our Moon. It certainly is possible, though, that a collision between two of the larger formed masses within the asteroid belt may indeed have sent one of these asteroids off course and directly into the path of Mars, where it could have caused a cataclysmic event of the nature that you suggest. Something on the order of the event here on Earth that is thought to have decimated the dinosaurs and brought an end to that era.

The drawing of the planets in is based on not gravity but by the theory that is evident by the one magnet no bearing bedini thread on this forum. Remember that even though the effects are smaller in the thread I bet the same is happening to our solar system on the largest scale. Remove one of the statalites in the vacuum of space and the others get pulled on harder to retain a balance. All the inner planets and maybe some of the other gas giants got pulled on with pluto being less effected. I know I let myself mislead my thoughts about mars. I believe that it was the casuality of the extra planet being destroyed in between Mars and Jupiter. Although we didn't escape from the effects. Both parts of the planet in breaking up (meteors) and the tug on the earth threw it out of alignment.

I'm not familiar with the term "statalites," but I suspect you meant satellites, right? It also would appear that you use the term to identify the planets which are orbiting the Sun, while normally the definition of a satellite is an object that orbits a planet - such as our moon, or man-made satellites. I do undertstand the reasoning behind the theory that the terrestrial planets were pulled in closer to the Sun, but a shift of that magnitude just doesn't seem likely when you consider that the total mass of the asteroid belt is just 4% that of our moon. If these asteroids are in fact the remnants of a previously existing planet then that planet's attraction effect upon the other planets would have been very small, and not likely to have caused any considerable shift in orbital positions of the planets. Then too, if such a shift had occurred that would have been drastic enough to cause Mars' atmospere to burn off, as you suggested earlier, then surely Earth would have suffered a similar fate even faster, and the "alignment" problem you speak of would have been the lesser of Earth's worries. If Earth had been a life-sustaining planet before such a shift in orbital position, then to prevent loss of this self-sustaining nature Earth's previous orbit would have had to be reapproximated. Is there any evidence to support how or if such an orbital realignment could have happened?

I appologize for my errors and feel free to question everything I have to say about it. It will only help me to reput my statements the way I had originally envisioned it. My accuracy at retelling my thoughts sometimes get jumbled in my attempt to write it down.

No need to apologize, J. What you have to say is interesting and worth reading, even if we aren't in agreement on this theory. Yes, perhaps the points that I bring up will help you to rethink some of this and come to new conclusions that help to solidify the proposed theory by satisfactorily explaining the problems which I perceived.

Actually Rick I believe the pyramids were not to produce power as the main purpose. Although they could I believe they were made to correct our own magnetosphere to bring the earth back into a more normal alignment. When they corrected the alignment and the planet earth settled into in new orbit they packed the focusers up and hid them in the pyramids liks Cayce talks about."

Are you suggesting that the "focusers" would have been used in the same way that the focusers on alien space craft are said to work - creating a pathway which the craft then follows? If so, and if it is actually feasible to move an entire planet by these means, then of course it would not only have been possible to realign Earth's axis, but to restore its original orbital path as well. And If this could be done with our planet then it would also have been possible to move the other terrestrial planets out to their restored orbits, and that would have been necessary in successfully completing such an endeavor. Seems like a gargantuan task for even the most technologically advanced of beings, but is certainly plausible if the technology to do this actually exists.

Edgar Cayce was stunningly accurate on a great many of the things he revealed, and I too think his revelation about the then undiscovered compartment beneath the Sphinx has validity, and that it holds the key to an understanding of the true purpose of the pyramids, and of the beings who designed and constructed them.

Rick

[digitz]

Yes, change definitly.

[Jbignes5]

Definetly Plausable..

As Sucayo said they are our neighbours, they come as you and me, incarnated as humans, the waking up will come from within, and the whole humanity will evolve as one. It won't come from outside, from other planets, ETs or anything else, but from inside

Either way we must be ready for this change. Thats why I am calling out to others. All of what I say is based on our History as closely as I could get the information collected. Most of which was read from any source that I thought was relevant.
Either way we must do something now. Thats why I have started the Tesla little box (pierce arrow) thread. If we could devise a new technology not based off of polarities we could endure a polarity shift or change in our own poles. We would of course need access to the Pyramids to re engage the boosters when the time came but I am really starting to think that they will come back to do this themselves. Because man will not do it, atleast the ones in power won't.
If you look at the one who is in control of the Pyrramids now in egypt he has tried to debunk claims about a records room under the sphinx. The problem is he used angles to debunk such claims. He said see there is nothing there when he was angled to far up above the door. This hall of records is reputed to have the entire knowledge of Atlantis that was stashed there just before they left. The claim is that only one of good or proper intentions could gain access. The validity of that claim could be true but I suggest that all kind humans are indeed decendants of the ones left here to help out. Maybe it is a genetic marker that protects this information but who knows for sure. Cayce was the only one to come close to revealing this but the ones in power made sure that he couldn't prove it. Even now they use decption to hide the facts.

[digitz]

As Sucayo said they are our neighbours, they come as you and me, incarnated as humans, the waking up will come from within, and the whole humanity will evolve as one. It won't come from outside, from other planets, ETs or anything else, but from inside

[Jbignes5]

ok..

There are proof that a couple of very genious peoples can improve technology greatly. Why we always think that there are no people as bright or as genious as Tesla or Keely in the past?

There should be technological marvel at the time of King David or King Solomon. A technology high enough to allow King Solomon to travel around the world at ease. A technology high enough to calculate date. A technology high enough to make a pyramid at laser precision.

A technology high enough to consider the importancy of copper. I do wonder why the ancient use metal that have more healing property. They don't use uranium or radium or other rare radiating metal as money. They don't want to touch money made from lead, iron or nickel. (Scary that now we let our children grab them tightly)

Lifting heavy object is not a problem back then. I don't think they need the usual modern tool. I think many people do not consider that human also capable of lifting far heavier object if learn how to use it. I watch it at first time when my senior got upset in a outdoor camp and leave while carrying a 2 x 1.5 x 1.5 meter generator and treat it like a backpack and go down a very steep mountain road.

Here is something I never read on modern literature:
A copper fluid sprayed over red hot iron will make a very strong metal wall unprenetable by weapon of any kind.

Human once has knowledge of advance technology, when human forgot it, the other races that was once also serve King David and King Solomon because of a favor still remember it. And we can see the proof today somewhere on countries that still believe their existance and communicate with them. A newbie will consider them as god, while they are not. They are not alien. They are not from outer space. They are just sharing the same planet with us. They are just our neighboor.

For one thing Tesla didn't care about anything but the truth. Others before him were only interested in finding a way to harness man not the fundamental energy. Once someone opens that door there is no way for others to command him to do anything he chooses not to do. Like Tesla he was able to shun mans influence because he had already attained great wealth. This allowed him to work without outside influences like bribes.
The one problem I see is that yes after the initial giving of the technology there seems to be a period that man did use that technology and experimented with it. The problem is that we were very immature at that time in a sense of wisdom. Although some societies were more mature and thier religious teaching tell us of the basic principles of that fundamental energy. Man was not ready at that time. I suspect that man as a whole started to war with the new technology. It could have been between the givers and the given. The indian texts tells alot about this war. It even talks about nuclear weapons being used. It describes the effects of the aftermath of a nuclear weapon as well. Not all men were corruptable but the ones that were corrupted wiped out each other.
So what I suppossed happened was that they (the givers, sun gods) let the technology die out and left our planet. They could have even skuttled Atlantis in an attempt to cover up the technology after they left so that thier influence didn't destroy man all together. They knew man needed to grow up before such technology could be introduced again.
If what Tesla found is the source of everything then it could have been an attempt to reintroduce that technology thru a vision he had. Which was shot down yet again by some faction that only believed in the dollar. This corruption still exists today. In fact our whole world wide system is based on that greed for something that has no real value anymore. It used to be that every dollar was guarenteed to be backed by a real precious metal, SILVER. Our current system has no such backing anymore. It's just paper but people will still kill, lie and cheat each other to get it.
We need to make a descision in our current system of whats more important. Do we want to save ourselves or do we want to have it all and go down in flames.
I am very confident that we are approaching an event. The ones who survive are gonna be the ones who wanted to help, love and take care of one another. How do I know this. Because thru all the ages people have been saying the same thing. Many many times it has been stated. Thru religions, predictions and thru exact dates (Mayan calendar just one of many sources) it is predicted.
We will never be able to help our selves as long as there are masters in charge. They will block our every attempt at finding out the truth. The one thing I believe the most is there is a plan "B" and that involves the visitors comming back and clarifying our world. By comming back they can rally our collective into a focused attempt to save ourselves just by showing thier existance. It would prove to us that they are real and in fact that they are deeply in gratitude for thier stay here while they helped us and themselves at that time. It might even show us the errors of our ways in any facet of our lives. Be it religious and even our technological follies.

[sucahyo]

There are proof that a couple of very genious peoples can improve technology greatly. Why we always think that there are no people as bright or as genious as Tesla or Keely in the past?

There should be technological marvel at the time of King David or King Solomon. A technology high enough to allow King Solomon to travel around the world at ease. A technology high enough to calculate date. A technology high enough to make a pyramid at laser precision.

A technology high enough to consider the importancy of copper. I do wonder why the ancient use metal that have more healing property. They don't use uranium or radium or other rare radiating metal as money. They don't want to touch money made from lead, iron or nickel. (Scary that now we let our children grab them tightly)

Lifting heavy object is not a problem back then. I don't think they need the usual modern tool. I think many people do not consider that human also capable of lifting far heavier object if learn how to use it. I watch it at first time when my senior got upset in a outdoor camp and leave while carrying a 2 x 1.5 x 1.5 meter generator and treat it like a backpack and go down a very steep mountain road.

Here is something I never read on modern literature:
A copper fluid sprayed over red hot iron will make a very strong metal wall unprenetable by weapon of any kind.

Human once has knowledge of advance technology, when human forgot it, the other races that was once also serve King David and King Solomon because of a favor still remember it. And we can see the proof today somewhere on countries that still believe their existance and communicate with them. A newbie will consider them as god, while they are not. They are not alien. They are not from outer space. They are just sharing the same planet with us. They are just our neighboor.

[Jbignes5]

There are some very apparent problems with this theory.

• First of all, we have yet to discover the actual existence of even a tenth planet (so-called "planet X") let alone any other planets in our solar system beyond Pluto and the other non-planets, which are not even classified as planets any more (now they are classified as "dwarf planets"). So a "13th planet" is really stretching the limits of imagination. If #13 ever existed, then what became of #9 through 12?
• Secondly, if such a planet ever did exist it would have been a very far distance from Mars when compared to Mars' distance from the Sun, and could only produce the kind of large counter-gravitational effect to the Sun/Mars gravitational effect that you are talking about if it was more or less aligned with Mars in the same 90 degree quadrant, and of a stupendously colossal size and mass that would have made Jupiter look like a marble in comparison. The farther out from the Sun a planet is, the longer its orbit will take. For example, Mars orbits the Sun in 687 Earth days, while the next planets out, Jupiter and Saturn, require 4,333 and 10,759 respectively. You can see that, at the point where a 13th planet would be situated, the orbital time would be so long in duration as to almost make the 13th planet appear motionless in comparison to Mars. So as Mars progresses through a 90 degree quadrant in just 172 days, it would be out of any effective alignment with planet 13. Furthermore, it is estimated that the Sun has a mass 1000 times that of all the other matter in our solar system joined together, so the kind of "imbalance" that you speak of is nearly inconceivable. Here's a link that shows the 8 known planets, and 4 known dwarf planets within our solar system, in their correct size proportions as compared to the Sun: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lanets2008.jpg
• Third, you suggest that Mars was pulled in closer to the Sun, which caused its atmosphere to be burned off, and that the inhabitants of Mars saw this coming and decided to find a more hospitable planet, (presumably Earth). This doesn't make much sense, since we all know that Mars is the 4th planet from the Sun, while Earth is the third. So if the four terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) were all sucked in closer to the Sun, both Venus and Earth would have lost their atmospheres first, and anyone living on Venus or Earth would have opted to go to Mars if at all possible - not the other way around. If Mars ended up in an orbit position similar to Earth's present orbit, then there would have been no problem. And then the question as to how the terrestrial planets moved back out to their original or current orbits, where the Earth would once again regain its atmosphere and flourish, would need to be addressed. Under your hypothesis, that would only appear possible if the "13th planet" had been reconstituted somehow at its original orbital position, to restore proper "balance." If an immense imbalance, caused by the destruction of the balancing factor of planet 13 had caused the terrestrial planets to move closer to the Sun, as suggested, what would prevent the terrestrial planets from all being further drawn closer to, and consumed by, the Sun?

I do enjoy theorizing on the purpose and importance of the pyramids, and have talked about that in the Tesla thread that Glen (Fuzzy Tomcat) started. I do believe that the pyramids are way older than is currently thought by historians, and that they were constructed by a very advanced civilization. I would also agree that they were utilized to produce power, and to provide for communication, and that the secrets of the pyramids have not yet been fully disclosed to the world.


Rick

Rick there are some good points.
1) I made an error actually the extra planet i refered to was not the thirteenth but and extra planet. The proof of such a planet exists and that proof is in the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter. That was my mistake.
2) if there was a planet there and there certainly is enough leftover to be such a planet in the belt it would have hit mars first. Thats what killed mars. it blasted mars and shielded us to an extent. Sorry but I am a victum of my disorder as usual. I let myself stray from my thoughts in my earlier proposal.
3) The drawing of the planets in is based on not gravity but by the thoery that is evident by the one magnet no bearing bedini thread on this forum. Remember that even though the effects are smaller in the thread I bet the same is happening to our solar system on the largest scale. Remove one of the statalites in the vacuum of space and the others get pulled on harder to retain a balance. All the inner planets and maybe some of the other gas giants got pulled on with pluto being less effected. I know I let myself mislead my thoughts about mars. I believe that it was the casuality of the extra planet being destroyed in between Mars and Jupiter. Although we didn't escape from the effects. Both parts of the planet in breaking up (meteors) and the tug on the earth threw it out of alignment.
I appologize for my errors and feel free to question everything I have to say about it. It will only help me to reput my statements the way I had originally envisioned it. My accuracy at retelling my thoughts sometimes get jumbled in my attempt to write it down.

Actually Rick I believe the pyramids were not to produce power as the main purpose. Although they could I believe they were made to correct our own magnetosphere to bring the earth back into a more normal alignment. When they corrected the alignment and the planet earth settled into in new orbit they packed the focusers up and hid them in the pyramids liks Cayce talks about. As for the power generation it could have been that too while they realigned the earth slowly they could tap the power of the pyramid while it was doing it's main function. This leads me to believe that we could use the pyramids again to protect us further by strengthening our magnetosphere in the same manner if the sun has a radiant event in it's disconnection of the blackhole in our current sun. Since Jupiter is showing signs of an increase in temps on the poles I believe that the black hole in that mass is redirecting our current suns connection to it's counterpart or sister star. Meaning the connections is being moved in a natural process. Jupiter would make a smaller sun but since it is about that same distance to our sun as to the distance from jupiter to us. We could possibly skate by on just a polarity shift and shifting of the center of our solar system.
What should be looked at is how that would change the dynamics of our solar system. Maybe someone could simulate that for us?

Anyways I really feel the need to reitterate my first thought. I don't care what the current establishment points to as planets. There were 13 celestial bodies in our solar system And thats how I made my mistake. Weather you believe the misguided scientists or not the fact of the matter is there are 12 celestial bodies now weather they are dwarf or not makes no difference.

[rickoff]

If there was a 13th panet it would have made the suns pull alot less on the closer planets. That means that mars would have been further out from the sun allowing for an atmosphere and water that the sun puts out. All the ingredients one would need for life and sustaining life would be there. So we are up to the great movement in to the sun. This would eat up the atmosphere in a short time. Enough time to evacuate mars and find a more stable planet to setup a temporary base to gather what one would need to survive in space.

There are some very apparent problems with this theory.

• First of all, we have yet to discover the actual existence of even a tenth planet (so-called "planet X") let alone any other planets in our solar system beyond Pluto and the other non-planets, which are not even classified as planets any more (now they are classified as "dwarf planets"). So a "13th planet" is really stretching the limits of imagination. If #13 ever existed, then what became of #9 through 12?
• Secondly, if such a planet ever did exist it would have been a very far distance from Mars when compared to Mars' distance from the Sun, and could only produce the kind of large counter-gravitational effect to the Sun/Mars gravitational effect that you are talking about if it was more or less aligned with Mars in the same 90 degree quadrant, and of a stupendously colossal size and mass that would have made Jupiter look like a marble in comparison. The farther out from the Sun a planet is, the longer its orbit will take. For example, Mars orbits the Sun in 687 Earth days, while the next planets out, Jupiter and Saturn, require 4,333 and 10,759 respectively. You can see that, at the point where a 13th planet would be situated, the orbital time would be so long in duration as to almost make the 13th planet appear motionless in comparison to Mars. So as Mars progresses through a 90 degree quadrant in just 172 days, it would be out of any effective alignment with planet 13. Furthermore, it is estimated that the Sun has a mass 1000 times that of all the other matter in our solar system joined together, so the kind of "imbalance" that you speak of is nearly inconceivable. Here's a link that shows the 8 known planets, and 4 known dwarf planets within our solar system, in their correct size proportions as compared to the Sun: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lanets2008.jpg
• Third, you suggest that Mars was pulled in closer to the Sun, which caused its atmosphere to be burned off, and that the inhabitants of Mars saw this coming and decided to find a more hospitable planet, (presumably Earth). This doesn't make much sense, since we all know that Mars is the 4th planet from the Sun, while Earth is the third. So if the four terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) were all sucked in closer to the Sun, both Venus and Earth would have lost their atmospheres first, and anyone living on Venus or Earth would have opted to go to Mars if at all possible - not the other way around. If Mars ended up in an orbit position similar to Earth's present orbit, then there would have been no problem. And then the question as to how the terrestrial planets moved back out to their original or current orbits, where the Earth would once again regain its atmosphere and flourish, would need to be addressed. Under your hypothesis, that would only appear possible if the "13th planet" had been reconstituted somehow at its original orbital position, to restore proper "balance." If an immense imbalance, caused by the destruction of the balancing factor of planet 13 had caused the terrestrial planets to move closer to the Sun, as suggested, what would prevent the terrestrial planets from all being further drawn closer to, and consumed by, the Sun?

I do enjoy theorizing on the purpose and importance of the pyramids, and have talked about that in the Tesla thread that Glen (Fuzzy Tomcat) started. I do believe that the pyramids are way older than is currently thought by historians, and that they were constructed by a very advanced civilization. I would also agree that they were utilized to produce power, and to provide for communication, and that the secrets of the pyramids have not yet been fully disclosed to the world.


Rick

[Jbignes5]

Hi again Jbignes5;

Since most of your theory seems to be based on Haramien's ideas you might want to check this site out;

Up: Nassim Haramein - Fraud or Sage?

It's a real eye-opener by someone qualified to comment.

And also this thread from earlier this year discussing his claims about The Ark of The Covenant;

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ons-study.html

Al

Ok. First thing is this. Nassim, is not my mentor. I don't usually refer to him except from the vast research he has done on history and connecting the dots. His other theories on particles are more or less right. I believe it takes alot of fluffing off of what we are taught by the establishment. Simply because they threw out anything they didn't want to understand. You very arguement can be said about the same institutions you so bravely cling to. MAxwells equation the heavy side one and others were thrown out because it left questions about the other equations. So who is right about this. I would tend to believe the most simple of answers since you are talking about the fundamental rules behind everything. On the quantum scale it has to be simple. If it isn't then anything outside of quantum gets way to complicated even for nature to tap. The macro is where the additional rules play not in the quantum. When masses of these quantum particles come together they get very complex interactions causing the macro to have balances to the equations of just about anything on the macro end.
I believe in nature one finds alot of very complex fractals. This is due to the nature of the quantum shape. The tetrahedron or pyramid is that shape. It is why nothing is in a straight line on the quantum level. Take a fractal program and insert a 3d pyramid and you might find yourself in awe of how it resembles the natural ways of nature.
Is Nassim entirely correct, in my opinion no. But name one person that knows it all and I'll show you a fraud. Since we can not see on the quantum level it is extreemly hard to see for ones self but I also believe that we must infer what is going on. How do we do this then? We need to look at the natural macro world and it will tell us the basic rules once you feret out all the macro rules. Those basic rules must be present in all of nature. We just need to compare everything we see on the macro and take the ones that are always present. If you are looking for the laws that govern the energy behind the stuff you cannot see I would start with magnetics (or charge polarities) then you need to find what motivates these very basic energies into motion. Simply because a charge that sits still would be stagnet of all movement without a conductor to compare and motivate the charges.
I believe a magnet is just a superconductor of the most basic energies. It provides a seperation between charges to provide a potential to compare to everything around it. Hence why magnets appear to be limitless in power. But the magnet is a balanced conductor. Although you can generate from it it must include a movement component.
It is also possible that you could generate from a static field by simply modulating it or providing it movement thru the natural process. I would think that everything is a radioactive event. It is how we see for instance. The source has a charge field. Thats the field in which you get reactions from the source and and generate from. When you move outside of that source charge you can only see the source thru great connections of these non charged conductors. Sorta like a ghost charge. I suppose the reason we can generate a charge from the sun is only that it provides a modulation of another device like a solar panel of the surrounding charge field of that device. Much the same way Tesla does but he actually creates the event and directly gathers the charge potential from within the field. This is why it is soo powerful.
There is a difference between the charge source and the ghost charge. The source is of the charge field and is the real potential one sees at a distance is magnitudes lower being of a potential only and not the actual charge field. This is why things when viewed with our own eyes tend to loose information of the radiance it provides.
What we are floating in is actually what runs everything that one could describe in all of that space. The charge fields are seperated by the long connections (potential only) in between the charge fields.
So to get back to my references to Nassim. Most of them I can and do agree with on the historical side when relating to our history. Not only do I agree I have actually done the same from what records I could find about such events from all the sources. Some things I don't agree with and to tell you the truth to me they seem way out of place.

[Jbignes5]

I too agree...

Cloxxki ,

Actually they never wanted anyone to worship them. That was mans Idea to reign in man from his own destructive ways. They just came and went and left us with some thank you gift. They tried to give us a sense of gratitute and exploration of our own inner self. The oneness that god provides is actually taken out of context and used in the corruption that began to creep in. Look at all our history and you will see by the facts like the inquisition where people were slaughtered for not believing in thier "god".
Here is a little story I read somewhere and it will tell you the truth of this. Man will always be led astray from the truth because they want these beings to take care of them. Case in point.
An archeologist heard about a tribe of pygmies in a very remote section of the world. Around 1950-60's he went there to learn about everything he could about them and to do one final test before he left. He flew in and landed in a very grassy field. He approached the leader of the tribe and introduced himself to him and the tribe. He always insisted that he was not a god and was different from them because he lived far away from them. This archeologist learned alot from them about thier everyday activities and anything else like do they marry and do they tend to stay with one person as an example. Where this man was done he reitterated that he was just a man wanting to learn about them and thier daily lives. So he departed and went to write a paper about them.
After some years he decided to revisit them only to find out that they had made a straw plane and a landing strip, they even made a straw resemblance of him. He landed again and asked them why they did that and they fell to the ground worshiping him. Of course he knew he had to straighten this out and preceeded to show them that he indeed was a man and not a god.
If you take this and apply the very same story to the period when they were trying to contact us you can now see they are in a dilema. They don't believe they are to be worshiped the problem is now that it is ingrained into thier society how do you preceed. Thats where Jesus comes in. Jesus was in fact a decendant of the original people that came here. The son of the sun gods. He said you must change your ways and that the ways of old were not the way you should act now. Love was his way. The love for all humanity and the love of all people weather sun gods or not. I believe they were trying to correct the error they made earlier.
Man is the reason that the worshiping started and they tried to tell us the error of our ways. But as usual men saw that opportunity to seize control after he was risen. They used the faith of many to do a great many evil things. Look at our history. Man bent the benign into his will to take control of other men. It is mans curse when not in check. This is where I believe that the message is that you have been decieved and that they do not believe in deception only the truth.
Either way they should be comming back. A day I wait for in ernest. Because we have been in slavery our entire lives and know nothing else but that slavery. Even if they don't come back we have the possibility to use what clues were left to us to figure out everything and save ourselves. The problem with that, that I see, is that the controllers have a tight control of what we can and can't do now a days. The only thing that will free us is the technology here that will allow us to say NO MORE!

[Cloxxki]

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Nassim Haramien: Fraud or Sage?

Hi again Jbignes5;

Since most of your theory seems to be based on Haramien's ideas you might want to check this site out;

Up: Nassim Haramein - Fraud or Sage?

It's a real eye-opener by someone qualified to comment.

And also this thread from earlier this year discussing his claims about The Ark of The Covenant;

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ons-study.html

Al

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Haramien video

Hi Jbigness5:

Yes I am very familiar with the Haramien video of the celestial body missing the sun.

Would you please post a link to this particular video. Thanks,

Al