Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[dragon]

After watching your video with the 2 grounds I started reverse engineering what I saw with a few "best guesses" based on the output of the bulb. I would guess your getting around 2 volts with an amperage of .5 to .75 on the bulb. You said you had 2 turns on your secondary with a 20 turn primary. I suspect it's not a full 2 turn maybe 1.5 or 1.75 turn secondary which would give you about 1.33 volt per turn and about 1 amp turn.

1 amp turn on the secondary gives you about .05 amp per turn on the primary and with 1.33 volts per turn you have approximately 26 volts across the primary. This means the cap is only charging to around 300 volts before the gap fires.

You might try opening up the gap incrementally to find the best performance based on its ability to charge the tank capacitor. The larger gap will not only increase the usable voltage but increase the current flow through the tank. The point on the gap is to start the ionization of air in the gap, once it becomes conductive the breach will engulf the tip... if it breaches to soon the energy level is low.

I don't remember your inductance/capacitance values on the tank or I could calculate what might be possible for amperage and voltage at peak. ( I know you posted them but I simply don't have time to tread through the posts ).

One other note on the Radiant patent -Tesla eludes to the fact that the secondary could drive a single wire roentgen tube and that you can make "provisions" to fire it only during the periods when the results are productive to plate P ( rectifying the output by rhythmically varying the source ).

[iflewmyown]

Tswift, I also would like to hear more as your idea progresses.
Garry

[tswift]

Thank you, and hopefully I haven't derailed the discussion too much with some of my recent thoughts, which at this point are really just fresh out of the oven, if not entirely half-baked I need more time to think clearly and perhaps articulate better. Especially that last post earlier I wrote in haste and I didn't take the time to be as precise as I usually try to be.

Ultimately, Bruce asked a very penetrating and insightful question. I have my own theory on the matter, which at this point is no better than a hypothesis. My last paradigm for understanding free energy I shared at numerous points on these pages, having to do with the ambient voltage around the capacitor and picking up a scalar signature. That was pretty much completely wrong, and now I have to bin it along with all the other times I've been wrong. I'm probably wrong this time too, but hopefully it's at least one step closer to the truth....

That said, I think it is an interesting observation. If I power the test circuit with the ZVS directly I get a blue spark and light on the bulb. If I use the ZVS instead to charge C1 and the circuit is powered by the ambient recoil/backlash/reaction then I get a white spark and the bulb lights brighter. Without simultaneously measuring the current being drawn by the ZVS this is not a quantitative comparison, but I think it is very interesting....

P.S. to Dragon... no resonant caps on L2 in this configuration and it still lights up just fine.

[Wistiti]

You know, it's funny. I've been studying every piece of material related to free energy and other exotic/unusual physics for YEARS, like a lot of other people here I imagine. I mean, I have read a LOT and then spent SERIOUS HOURS at the workbench trying to test and prove and find out whose theories are correct and whose are not. You know when this finally all clicked in my head? This Tuesday. I just had this stray thought that, "oh, maybe the reaction to a dipole is phase conjugate energy, not just opposite in sign". Then the more I thought about it the more I realized that it could explain everything. Does anyone else see the similarity between Tesla radiant energy patent #685,957, figure 4, and Don Smith's "Ambient Energy Generator"? I didn't either for a long time. But then it dawned on me, the capacitor in Don's circuit is the IMPLIED capacitance between the "Roentgen tube"-like high voltage source and the plate P. The high voltage tube is the source dipole and could be charged with a static machine like a Van de Graaf or Wimshurst or other machine. You're not drawing any current from it. Electrostatic attraction of opposite signs draws charges up from the ground into the capacitor, which you then discharge into a transformer to get a power gain, BECAUSE THE REACTION CHARGES ARE PHASE-CONJUGATE ENERGY. It acts like electricity moving backwards in time instead of forwards in time. You create a dipole but you never use it to power anything directly. Instead your power is drawn from the charges attracted to it, and Tesla's patent shows how to do it.

Now let's read Don Smith and see how similar this sounds:

Capacitor A with a predetermined voltage placed upon it, causes capacitor E to duplicate from the ambient-earth grounding the energy present at A. With an input diode placed C and an output diode placed at B the energy present at E flows through a transformer into an earth grounding. Useful energy is obtained from the transformer.

So you attach a high voltage source to one side of a capacitor, and use the other side to attract opposite charges up from ground, and you only use the ground side (the reaction) to power your output circuit through a transformer.

I submit to you that this is the exact same thing described by Tesla, only with a bigger capacitor than the tiny capacitance of the space between the Roentgen tube and the plate. Think about Don's "commercial device". High voltage source charges one plate of a big high voltage capacitor. But how do you hook up the other side to get output? Well, now I think I know, you just follow the Tesla circuit and use the charges coming from ground to charge another cap, and then use a spark gap or inverter of any suitable kind to send this power through a transformer. In Don's words, "useful energy is obtained from the transformer"....

Tswift I have just read your post and I really like the way you see how it work... It is really interesting guys!

Thank you for sharing.

[Wistiti]

The way I see it is the ions are created by the radiation, sun, cosmic ray, etc,,, and these ion are all around us.
With the ionic circuit we create a polarized field that are opposite to the ambient ion so they are attracted in the circuit.
The cap and coil are for resonance (minimal power input) but also for converting this flow of ion (static electricity) into usable electricity by induced a magnetic component with the oscillation between L1 and L2.
It is the way I see it now but I may be wrong...

The thing I don't understand is why Tesla have more turns on L2 than L1..??

More explanation are needed...

It will be nice to know before we go further in building.

Regards

[dragon]

Ambient energy, potential difference between earth and ionosphere is different than Radiant. Radiant energy is delivered on a wave containing both potentials.

When you feel the heat from the sun your not feeling the actual heat - it can't possibly traverse cold space and give us the actual heat, space would be plenty hot if that were so... It's delivered to us as a wave, a very high frequency wave. An infrared heater delivers it's radiant heat as a wave, this is why we can feel it from across the room. We feel what the wave is doing to our body, speeding up atoms, not the actual heat from the elements.

His radiant patent begins with... "It is well known that certain radiations --- such as those of ultra-violet light" Then continues " These radiations are generally considered to be ether vibrations of extremely small wave lengths"

He makes several references to the "insulated" plate, making a point about the conditions of this plate.

So what are you harvesting... a static charge or a radiant charge? The circuit to utilize the energy is secondary to the harvesting itself...

[tswift]

I could be completely wrong here. Are you offering a circuit enhancement?

Are you saying that replicators need to change their coil connections so that L2 becomes L1 and L1 become L2?

Because ohms law is reversed the electricity turns from low current, high voltage into, high current, low voltage through the way a Tesla coil that makes sparks is wound.

But instead of making sparks the flow is the other way?

No, not at all. I think Bruce understands this even if we may have different terminology. In the non-mirrored version of the device, the charge on C1 is the source dipole. It isn't used directly to power anything. Instead it's the backflow from the environment into C2 that is used to oscillate L1 and power everything else. The backflow is radiant energy. In the mirrored version of the device, yet again there is a source dipole (the HV module and/or multiplier) that isn't directly connected to any closed current loop circuit. instead it's the backflow from the environment (ground or air) to cancel said dipole that's captured and converted. I think Bruce is right on target, what's changed is that I now understand better why it works!

[med.3012]

you create an action but then only draw your power from the REACTION side, not the ACTION side. When put through a transformer the power gain is realized.

[soundiceuk]

I could be completely wrong here. Are you offering a circuit enhancement?

Are you saying that replicators need to change their coil connections so that L2 becomes L1 and L1 become L2?

Because ohms law is reversed the electricity turns from low current, high voltage into, high current, low voltage through the way a Tesla coil that makes sparks is wound.

But instead of making sparks the flow is the other way?

[tswift]

You know, it's funny. I've been studying every piece of material related to free energy and other exotic/unusual physics for YEARS, like a lot of other people here I imagine. I mean, I have read a LOT and then spent SERIOUS HOURS at the workbench trying to test and prove and find out whose theories are correct and whose are not. You know when this finally all clicked in my head? This Tuesday. I just had this stray thought that, "oh, maybe the reaction to a dipole is phase conjugate energy, not just opposite in sign". Then the more I thought about it the more I realized that it could explain everything. Does anyone else see the similarity between Tesla radiant energy patent #685,957, figure 4, and Don Smith's "Ambient Energy Generator"? I didn't either for a long time. But then it dawned on me, the capacitor in Don's circuit is the IMPLIED capacitance between the "Roentgen tube"-like high voltage source and the plate P. The high voltage tube is the source dipole and could be charged with a static machine like a Van de Graaf or Wimshurst or other machine. You're not drawing any current from it. Electrostatic attraction of opposite signs draws charges up from the ground into the capacitor, which you then discharge into a transformer to get a power gain, BECAUSE THE REACTION CHARGES ARE PHASE-CONJUGATE ENERGY. It acts like electricity moving backwards in time instead of forwards in time. You create a dipole but you never use it to power anything directly. Instead your power is drawn from the charges attracted to it, and Tesla's patent shows how to do it.

Now let's read Don Smith and see how similar this sounds:

Capacitor A with a predetermined voltage placed upon it, causes capacitor E to duplicate from the ambient-earth grounding the energy present at A. With an input diode placed C and an output diode placed at B the energy present at E flows through a transformer into an earth grounding. Useful energy is obtained from the transformer.

So you attach a high voltage source to one side of a capacitor, and use the other side to attract opposite charges up from ground, and you only use the ground side (the reaction) to power your output circuit through a transformer.

I submit to you that this is the exact same thing described by Tesla, only with a bigger capacitor than the tiny capacitance of the space between the Roentgen tube and the plate. Think about Don's "commercial device". High voltage source charges one plate of a big high voltage capacitor. But how do you hook up the other side to get output? Well, now I think I know, you just follow the Tesla circuit and use the charges coming from ground to charge another cap, and then use a spark gap or inverter of any suitable kind to send this power through a transformer. In Don's words, "useful energy is obtained from the transformer"....

[Mwtj]

Yes, indeed something does appear wrong from an engineering point of view. Since Tesla already talked about building the best possible mica condenser to avoid rupture at extreme pressures, we can assume that the voltage on the primary input side is high, not low. Normally you would want a step-down transformer to reduce the voltage and provide an impedance match to most normal lower voltage circuitry, yet the patents clearly describe a step-UP transformer:

In inductive relation to the primary wire or coil p is a secondary s, usually of a much greater number of turns, to the ends of which is connected a receiver R.

In my opinion this can only be explained if there is a power gain through the transformer. The energy attracted from the ground is not normal electricity but is phase-conjugate energy, which doesn't act the same when going through the transformer. In practice if a large amount of power is being drawn from such a transformer I would expect it to run cold and perhaps exhibit other interesting effects.

I think I am beginning to actually understand this now, when you create a dipole nature wants to extinguish it with charges of the opposite sign, but there is more to it than that. Creating the dipole is the action, the reaction of the environment is not only opposite in sign but is also phase-conjugate energy ("negative energy" to some folks). If you want free energy, you create an action but then only draw your power from the REACTION side, not the ACTION side. When put through a transformer the power gain is realized.

[tswift]

Take a look at the transformer configuration in Tesla's two radiant energy patents. Something look out of place? You probably wouldn't have noticed until I just pointed it out to you. The primary and secondary appear that they are reversed. Are they? Read Tesla's description. Both patents read the same. If the description is correct you will have to think what you have been lead to believe from the distractors over the years. When you do I would like to hear what you have to say about your oversight.

Yes, indeed something does appear wrong from an engineering point of view. Since Tesla already talked about building the best possible mica condenser to avoid rupture at extreme pressures, we can assume that the voltage on the primary input side is high, not low. Normally you would want a step-down transformer to reduce the voltage and provide an impedance match to most normal lower voltage circuitry, yet the patents clearly describe a step-UP transformer:

In inductive relation to the primary wire or coil p is a secondary s, usually of a much greater number of turns, to the ends of which is connected a receiver R.

In my opinion this can only be explained if there is a power gain through the transformer. The energy attracted from the ground is not normal electricity but is phase-conjugate energy, which doesn't act the same when going through the transformer. In practice if a large amount of power is being drawn from such a transformer I would expect it to run cold and perhaps exhibit other interesting effects.

I think I am beginning to actually understand this now, when you create a dipole nature wants to extinguish it with charges of the opposite sign, but there is more to it than that. Creating the dipole is the action, the reaction of the environment is not only opposite in sign but is also phase-conjugate energy ("negative energy" to some folks). If you want free energy, you create an action but then only draw your power from the REACTION side, not the ACTION side. When put through a transformer the power gain is realized.

[Mwtj]

There are a few things that strike me as odd. But what exactly the thing is we need too see, i do not know.
it is exact the same text.

Roentgen tube is using a aluminium half sphere . Can be connected to a high voltage module. Modified valve?

Need a correct sign for the antenna/plate in relation to the ions..AC gives other interesting results.

[Wistiti]

Take a look at the transformer configuration in Tesla's two radiant energy patents. Something look out of place? You probably wouldn't have noticed until I just pointed it out to you. The primary and secondary appear that they are reversed. Are they? Read Tesla's description. Both patents read the same. If the description is correct you will have to think what you have been lead to believe from the distractors over the years. When you do I would like to hear what you have to say about your oversight.

Im not sure what should i understand from this..?

The patent say " In inductive relation to the primary wire or coil p is a secondary s, usually of a much greater number of turns, to the ends of which is connected a receiver R..... .... the stored energy is discharged throught the primary, this giving rise in the secondary to induced currents..."

Is that the way to convert Radiant or Static electricity to usable form..?

[Mwtj]

Take a look at the transformer configuration in Tesla's two radiant energy patents. Something look out of place? You probably wouldn't have noticed until I just pointed it out to you. The primary and secondary appear that they are reversed. Are they? Read Tesla's description. Both patents read the same. If the description is correct you will have to think what you have been lead to believe from the distractors over the years. When you do I would like to hear what you have to say about your oversight.

The circuit is reversed?