Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Mwtj]

@ tswift
Is that a hairpin configuration?..

Wont it rupture the dielectric of that supercaps by charging it with high voltage?.. those are only rated @ 1.5v (9 volts in series?) just a question..

On your theory about it flowing backwards in time, It kind-of confusing.. I understood it better when you relate it to lending money and spending .
I believe its better explained how tesla explained it.

"Whatever electricity may be, it is a fact that it behaves like an incompressible fluid, " I understood this as wherever the flow is coming from, If it flows through your coils, somewhere somehow It will flow out from your coils, now if your insulation is real good and it flows at the start of your coil, and flows out at the end you have electricity is it not?.. this is what I'm thinking.

and on your Observation on Capacitor/Batteries charging up near a high voltage oscillation. I've found a close resemblance to don smith statement.

"It is found that creating a dipole and Inserting Capacitor at right angle to the current flow, allows magnetic waves to changes back to useful electrical (coulumbs) energy."

I'm starting to understand why coils are also capacitors and why so many turns generate more voltage as they are like capacitors in series. If this is true why not have many coils on a high voltage oscillation field enough to fill the whole area? a wild guess.

@soundiceuk & bruce
From what I understood, You guys are suggesting to extract free ions (free electrons,.. whatever it is) from the air to ground (or ground to ground), are you encouraging people to Invoke an Electron Avalanche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche). Through a PPV, an Antenna and Good grounding (by providing a least resistive path to the earth) how can free Ions collected by antenna through PPV go to ground if there is no physical connection? are the schematics on on-going revision?. and how come you are suggesting supercap banks to collect energy at the secondary rather than High voltage low farad caps as what don smith have used?. wont it just spark its way through the dielectric?.

I hope you could answer my questions.

While using the dynatron circuit. The high voltage low farad capacitors charged faster and higher voltage with the circuit than directly connected to the flyback. They even overcharged. 4kV 2uf oil capacitor with 8kV charge. The secondary voltage after diodes was about 5kV dc.

This all with the same input.

On the dielectric. I used 4400uf 500v capacitors with 10kV without breaking the dielectric. Charging them slowly to 300 volts. . Even used a 1F 12v booster cap. Did not charge much but did not break. Guess we need to offer up a supercapacitor.

Just stating. I think there is a explanation for all of this but i do not have all the answers.

[ricards]

observations and questions

@ tswift
Is that a hairpin configuration?..

Wont it rupture the dielectric of that supercaps by charging it with high voltage?.. those are only rated @ 1.5v (9 volts in series?) just a question..

On your theory about it flowing backwards in time, It kind-of confusing.. I understood it better when you relate it to lending money and spending .
I believe its better explained how tesla explained it.

"Whatever electricity may be, it is a fact that it behaves like an incompressible fluid, " I understood this as wherever the flow is coming from, If it flows through your coils, somewhere somehow It will flow out from your coils, now if your insulation is real good and it flows at the start of your coil, and flows out at the end you have electricity is it not?.. this is what I'm thinking.

and on your Observation on Capacitor/Batteries charging up near a high voltage oscillation. I've found a close resemblance to don smith statement.

"It is found that creating a dipole and Inserting Capacitor at right angle to the current flow, allows magnetic waves to changes back to useful electrical (coulumbs) energy."

I'm starting to understand why coils are also capacitors and why so many turns generate more voltage as they are like capacitors in series. If this is true why not have many coils on a high voltage oscillation field enough to fill the whole area? a wild guess.

@soundiceuk & bruce
From what I understood, You guys are suggesting to extract free ions (free electrons,.. whatever it is) from the air to ground (or ground to ground), are you encouraging people to Invoke an Electron Avalanche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche). Through a PPV, an Antenna and Good grounding (by providing a least resistive path to the earth) how can free Ions collected by antenna through PPV go to ground if there is no physical connection? are the schematics on on-going revision?. and how come you are suggesting supercap banks to collect energy at the secondary rather than High voltage low farad caps as what don smith have used?. wont it just spark its way through the dielectric?.

I hope you could answer my questions.

[tswift]

OK, let's take what we have learned so far and apply it. As I have mentioned previously, I have this handy benchtop Tesla coil arrangement, I can drive it either as a low-power SSTC (Slayer exciter) or as a true spark-excited Tesla coil. I know from previous experiments that it is well tuned with exactly 10 nF of primary capacitance and 3.75 turns of primary inductance. So instead of driving it with the classic Tesla coil spark-excited primary circuit, I used the PVM12 to charge the primary capacitance through an AV plug. It was easiest to do this by splitting the primary capacitance into two 5 nF halves and using basically the Plauson circuit with a parallel spark gap and the coil between the two halves of the capacitor. The whole primary circuit is hot with HV at the PVM12 drive frequency when done like this, and charge pumping will occur with the AV plug from the external capacitance of the whole primary circuit. If my theory is correct then this should give white sparks and charge the primary capacitors with some of that magic/radiant/phase-conjugate special sauce. I designed this arrangement to test my hypothesis. Indeed, I get nice white sparks on the spark gap (not using the PPV here) and the drive seems very strong and stable. The power on the secondary seems increased and I get streamers forming directly into the air, which it never did before even with as wide as I could open the gap and still have it fire from the PVM12.

So now to capture some of that nice energy. Again, if my theory is correct then Lenz's law will be reduced in the coupling between primary and secondary, requiring less drive power from the PVM12 to achieve the same results, but the power in the secondary is all conventional electricity. So now we need to produce an asymmetric situation again with some charging by induction. Again, my hypothesis is that charge acquired in that way will take on some special characteristics. So let's use the supercap bank already at hand with another avramenko, this time to ground, and place it close to the hot end of the coil, about as close as we can get it without streamers jumping from the coil. Result? It's charging of course but slowly, that cap bank holds a lot of energy. Nothing unconventional at this point. The result will be seen when I try to loop it and run the PVM12 from the cap bank. Again, if my theory is correct then Lenz's law will be reduced in the first transformer the energy comes into, in this case the flyback within the PVM12, causing reduced drive power. Then that goes into the AV plug to charge the primary circuit, and so on around back in a loop. If the power gain is sufficient and the current delivered to the supercap bank by charge pumping from ground is sufficient to run the PVM12 drive circuitry, it should self-run continuously in the looped configuration.

On close inspection this configuration is essentially Bruce's schematic, just with a standard step-up Tesla resonator secondary. Pulling charges from the atmosphere to charge the primary side capacitor, then use the secondary to pump charge into a supercap bank for looping. It's running now but I can't stay with it continuously because of the ozone buildup in a small space. I discharged the supercaps completely before starting, so it will take a while for them to reach a voltage high enough to run the PVM12.

[Solarlab]

Attempt at a generalized (very brief) Functional Description

Attempt at a generalized (very brief) Functional Description

*Tesla primary - current pulse [iH1p] ==> Tesla secondary - high voltage pulse [vH1p]*

**[vH1p] ==> 1/4 - 1/2 lambda high Q {resonant} coil ==> standing wave {ringing} and
circuit [LRC] resonance**

***[vH1p] electrodynamics - electrostatic - influence on high Q coil - no back emf - isolated***

****low loss resonant coil/circuit - will ring, or oscillate, for many periods of the resonant
frequency [F res] per single pulse [vH1p] - also resonates at harmonics {pulse contains
many harmonics - Fourier series} &&& like striking a bell, pushing a swing, resonant
bridge collapse, flywheel, etc.****

*****ground maintains ample electrons - needed to quickly "equalize" vH1p influence*****

#electrons drawn off rapidly for external energy use - must be replaced rapidly#

******many coil standing wave cycles per pulse and many pulses per second [KHz - MHz]
===> extra energy with respect to 50/60 Hz sine wave - OU present in reduced loss circuit
(parallel resonant - at F res impedance approaches infinity, R = circuit (coil resistance) losses
-==- V/I phase, power factor, etc.******

##Extra energy extraction - must be isolated from main circuit {maintain/keep coil circuit in
resonance} -=- capacitive discharge - current pulse, magnetic transformer, electrostatic
transformer, filter, mixer, diode, sampler, etc.##

Involves several simultaneous actions. Some systems involve more - electron velocity,
magnetic standing waves, etc.

Needs work but the basic concept is there?

[dragon]

Your absolutely right - The first step is understanding what your extracting, then how to extract it, from there you need a circuit to convert it to something more conventional.

The circuit isn't "self" running, it is being powered by a source -- I know what you meant by self running.

To understand what Bruce is doing here is a video that explains charging by induction. It's a bit outdated and kind of cheezy cartoonish but explains it very well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0hXYfvnND0

[soundiceuk]

I've seen one of Bruce's modifications and you can switch off the HVM when the PPV has warmed up and the ion wind keeps flowing and the PPV keeps glowing!

Great insulators Mwtj!

There are so many modifications that can be made to get at the power from matter.

Bruce has it all worked out with high power to boot!

The system when finished will be cheaper than solar and far more effective.

We are going through the education phase at the moment.

[Wistiti]

There really isn't anything I can see as special in the transformation. If you have 20,000 volts at .001 amp ( 1ma ) you have 20 watts. The transformation occurs when you discharge a given capacitance into an inductor. It transforms voltage to current.

If you have a certain amount of energy and you use it over time it doesn't amount to much but if you expel the energy in a nanosecond burst you create an activity far greater than the energy initially invested. It's still the same amount simply different time frames. Dump the powder out of a fire cracker and light it... it fizzles for a couple seconds as it exhausts its energy -- pack it tightly in a container and bam the energy is dispersed in a much smaller time frame creating something quite damaging. This is what a capacitor does and along with the inductor we can move it around to do what we want with it.

As an example, lets charge a 500pf capacitor to 20,000 volts. We know that the energy contained in the capacitor is .5xCxV^2 or in this case 0.1 joule. 0.1 joule over 1 second is not much energy. So we take an inductor of say 100 uh and discharge the cap through the coil... the amperage generated in that nanosecond burst is around 45 amps - the energy developed in that tiny time period is an activity of around 90,000 watts. We can see it's the same energy in the coil we started with using the formula .5xLxI^2 or .5 x .0001 x 45^2 = 0.1 joules. So it boils down to how many times per second can you create a multitude of nanosecond bursts. This is where the transformation occurs....

This is NOT overunity, simply a different time frame of dispersing the energy available. It might appear like "magic" when lighting a bulb with a low input but its not. It is, however, very effective in creating efficient circuits.

What I have learn at school and see until now it is exactly the same as what you say Dragon...

I think the best way to proof the effect, and nobody have show it until now, is to achieve self running....

Hope the last version Bruce give us, will do that...

I will do my best to replicate it when I receive all the part. Then we will see...

Theorise is always interesting but the reality are only proof in practice...

[tesluh]

When the effect shows up I expect it to be very noticeable, even massive.

I believe the same as well, I don't think there will be a need for meters, if the effect he describes was achieved, it should be obvious!

[dragon]

There really isn't anything I can see as special in the transformation. If you have 20,000 volts at .001 amp ( 1ma ) you have 20 watts. The transformation occurs when you discharge a given capacitance into an inductor. It transforms voltage to current.

If you have a certain amount of energy and you use it over time it doesn't amount to much but if you expel the energy in a nanosecond burst you create an activity far greater than the energy initially invested. It's still the same amount simply different time frames. Dump the powder out of a fire cracker and light it... it fizzles for a couple seconds as it exhausts its energy -- pack it tightly in a container and bam the energy is dispersed in a much smaller time frame creating something quite damaging. This is what a capacitor does and along with the inductor we can move it around to do what we want with it.

As an example, lets charge a 500pf capacitor to 20,000 volts. We know that the energy contained in the capacitor is .5xCxV^2 or in this case 0.1 joule. 0.1 joule over 1 second is not much energy. So we take an inductor of say 100 uh and discharge the cap through the coil... the amperage generated in that nanosecond burst is around 45 amps - the energy developed in that tiny time period is an activity of around 90,000 watts. We can see it's the same energy in the coil we started with using the formula .5xLxI^2 or .5 x .0001 x 45^2 = 0.1 joules. So it boils down to how many times per second can you create a multitude of nanosecond bursts. This is where the transformation occurs....

This is NOT overunity, simply a different time frame of dispersing the energy available. It might appear like "magic" when lighting a bulb with a low input but its not. It is, however, very effective in creating efficient circuits.

[Mwtj]

What is the thing inside the core?

Just a circle of plastic to hold the core. There are two insulators on both sides.

The wooden dowel goes through the insulators in the center.

[Wistiti]

Took a picture of the new setup.

What is the thing inside the core?

[Mwtj]

On the radiant question.

Going back in time when is did try to replicate the Dynatron circuit.
It did the step down configuration and the step up configuration.

Everytime the step-up just like a tesla coil worked best. The last coil with the 8 inch former did work the best in charging the high voltage capacitor fast.
Tuning the secondary stepped up the voltage but with the 1/4 rule i did not matter that much. Much less tuning required or not at all. Sparks from the secondary where much more fierce. Made more like a static sound.

Used the 1/4 rule for both setups.

Only thing i did not get the work is the kommutator as he called it .

So maybe there is something to the step up configuration in the tesla radiant patent.

Took a picture of the new setup.

[med.3012]

"amperage only becomes a consideration at the output transformer" is a normal requirement in an over energy device, in my opinion there's no magic here maybe some enhancement but the real power must present in the capacitor banks .. for this reason Don stated clearly : you can't use the power as it is but you have to use some sort of storage .. either a battery or a capacitors while the capacitors is the best option.


amperage only becomes a consideration to feed the desired electrical loads because his device is a special reactive energy generator 1 volt = 1 ampere = 1 second = 1 watt this is possible only when you have energy balance work for you through electrons spin mechanism ! the same electrons produce voltage must produce current when they change the spin rotation...it's even possible to produce thousand of amperes instead of thousand of volts ... please watch this :


[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/Cr07kI7HhzU?t=8474[/VIDEO]



or copy past this to your browser : https://youtu.be/Cr07kI7HhzU?t=8474


this prove the amperage can happen directly from L2 ..

[tswift]

The power is there. What Don didn't fully explain was how to bring the power back together so we can use it as normal energy.

Actually, he did but it's subtle and you kind of have to read between the lines. One thing I am still sure of, even as my understanding has changed over time, is that the actual overunity power gain mechanism requires a transformer. It is easy enough to charge a cap with an AV plug and measure the power delivered, and even to measure the load on a source like a running slayer exciter, and you can see that although it can be efficient it is not by itself overunity. If it's "cold electricity", or phase-conjugate energy, or whatever name you want to put on it, through a resistive load it seems no different. The only real difference is that it behaves differently with respect to Lenz's law and has a reduced back EMF thus causing a power gain, but only in the SECONDARY. Gray used a motor, Don used a transformer or an inverter containing a transformer in some of his devices. However you do it, you have to do this or you won't see the potential power gain even if it's there to be taken advantage of. Don rarely showed the output transformer but it's present in some of the schematics, and sometimes you see an inverter. There's a reason he used phrases like "amperage only becomes a consideration at the output transformer" and it becomes "useful energy", so as to distinguish it from the "non-useful" form of energy it is up to that point. The amount of actual current you're going to be able to draw from a high-voltage module of modest power might be a few milliamps to a few tens of milliamps. You can charge caps with this but it's still a very modest amount of power, so little that it's a challenge to get enough to run an inverter or some kind of output circuit from. But if everything is right the output transformer secondary should show a power gain of perhaps 100-1000 times the input. When the effect shows up I expect it to be very noticeable, even massive.

[fan1701]

The energy is indeed coming toward the plasma ball. You can charge caps with AV plugs (slowly). Don't think there is real power there, place a penny on top of the plasma ball and the get your finger almost touching the penny. Get ready to get burned. If you setup a wire coming away from your plasma ball you can take a neon bulb and find voltage nodes at regular intervals.

I agree that the white light is where the radionic energy is.

BTW when you are running an open spark gap you are producing an acidic gas that can be used to make nitric acid. It is BAD for you to breath it.

The power is there. What Don didn't fully explain was how to bring the power back together so we can use it as normal energy.


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