Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ricards]

Resonance

Has anyone really tried to make any don smith device in a resonant fashion?..

Like calculating inductance and capacitance..
matching the tank circuits resonant frequency..

or any of the sort..

and not really take the Output power forcefully, like directly through a load.
but like a split where some of the output is used to maintain the source oscillation for it to grow bigger and more powerful.

[med.3012]

hi ilandtan,


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the ETBC is just a coil, with more freedom degrees .. it's just a theory ))

[ilandtan]

Hi Med,

The reason I don't understand what you are doing is that you keep trying to build a device that is "balanced" and compacted in the same device.

Where did you contrive those requirements?

I don't see the big picture goals, because if you take a device, that's passive, and that doesn't generate more energy nor feed back energy, holistically you will be clamped to the physical laws of inductance, reluctance, Ohm's law, Lenz's law.

The proximity of the parts will make it respond as a transformer, and inductance will be the strongest component... which as you know output will effect input. There more you pull, the more the device will draw.

I perceive that the ultimate outcome of the EBTC.

[med.3012]

Yep, I agree. I fail to understand what you are trying to accomplish with the EBTC.

When you get a self running device. Please message me directly.

Thanks!

no sign of success until now ... very long road , but experiments is our last chance in this field .. !

welcome

[ilandtan]

What I am trying to do is what DS said would be possible:

Feedback from the remote Coils supplies excess energy, some of which can make the Device self sustaining. The 03-2 Device uses the same system for feedback. See upper left end of Device for the dual Coils on a ceramic rod center mount

If it's what I'm thinking you should be able to use capacitive coupling to separate input and output, thereby using the output to drive the input harder or maybe even be self sustaining.

[ilandtan]

there's no problem with high power or great distance if we could compact the same mechanism.. ( we don't need high power and we don't need great distance if we could change that system to work locally )
the transmission is a secondary effect but in the ETBC system the two work together , this mean we have a kind of energy balance

i think we are using a totally different system this is why we can't understand each other properly.. anyway i just give an opinion to something that may change our view to the electrical laws according Tesla ..


regards

Yep, I agree. I fail to understand what you are trying to accomplish with the EBTC.

When you get a self running device. Please message me directly.

Thanks!

[med.3012]

Gentlemen, Tesla was doing this at high power, over great distances. So we know that capacitive coupling at higher power is possible.

The transmission is only a secondary effect.

If output does not affect input, doesn't it sound logical that you can create an independent circuit that contributes to the input power?

Ric... the reasons for Slayer Exciters are because they are cheap, turnkey resonant systems. They're power can be ADDITIVE.

For Example: Slayer primary L1TX consumes 6W, L3 of RX produces 3W. I should be able to create the drive for another whole Slayer, or why not just drive a second primary?

there's no problem with high power or great distance if we could compact the same mechanism.. ( we don't need high power and we don't need great distance if we could change that system to work locally )
the transmission is a secondary effect but in the ETBC system the two work together , this mean we have a kind of energy balance

i think we are using a totally different system this is why we can't understand each other properly.. anyway i just give an opinion to something that may change our view to the electrical laws according Tesla ..


regards

[ilandtan]

well that is quite interesting.. I've tried the Idea wired and capacitive coupled to capacitors not really like TX/RX..
have you tested if multiple receivers is possible without affecting input? or without diminishing output from other RX?..

edit.
oh and what is the efficiency of your RX?..

My input uses 12.6VDC@470ma and my RX output I measured 297VDC(open across a bridge rectifier)@115ma(when shorted across bridge rectifier).

I'm not claiming I get 34W of power, because I can't light a 30 watt incandescent.

But I have 15W LED that I can barley get glowing if I harvest the slayer L2 coil, but I can make it probably 70-80% bright on my RX, and that is a 100W equivalent so it throws off a good clip of light. Not bad for 6W of input.

I know I can run multiple RX, but soon as I start grounding them together it affects the output of my first RX. The best way is to ground them is to different sides of the battery terminals, so one RX will ground to the Neg, one RX will ground to the positive. If you ground to the battery you eliminate the capacitive effects of nearby objects and increase efficiency. That is the only way you can place an un-grounded metal plate between the two and still transmit the energy.

There is a science to all of this and DS knew it. Let me give you and example, I was using 20 inch jumpers, and decided it was too messy but when I moved to 16 inch jumpers, there was a reduction in output. Much of it has to do with the power of your Slayer Exciter, and that is all about tuning.

With my 12V Slayer, I can pull about 1.3cm of an arc.

[ricards]

Gentlemen, Tesla was doing this at high power, over great distances. So we know that capacitive coupling at higher power is possible.

The transmission is only a secondary effect.

If output does not affect input, doesn't it sound logical that you can create an independent circuit that contributes to the input power?

Ric... the reasons for Slayer Exciters are because they are cheap, turnkey resonant systems. They're power can be ADDITIVE.

For Example: Slayer primary L1TX consumes 6W, L3 of RX produces 3W. I should be able to create the drive for another whole Slayer, or why not just drive a second primary?

well that is quite interesting.. I've tried the Idea wired and capacitive coupled to capacitors not really like TX/RX..
have you tested if multiple receivers is possible without affecting input? or without diminishing output from other RX?..

edit.
oh and what is the efficiency of your RX?..

[ilandtan]

can you explain an example about a capacitive coupling ? the question remain why we can't achieve high power ? a few watts can't do a great job !

Gentlemen, Tesla was doing this at high power, over great distances. So we know that capacitive coupling at higher power is possible.

The transmission is only a secondary effect.

If output does not affect input, doesn't it sound logical that you can create an independent circuit that contributes to the input power?

Ric... the reasons for Slayer Exciters are because they are cheap, turnkey resonant systems. They're power can be ADDITIVE.

For Example: Slayer primary L1TX consumes 6W, L3 of RX produces 3W. I should be able to create the drive for another whole Slayer, or why not just drive a second primary?

[med.3012]

Hi med,ilandtan,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitive_coupling

wikipedia does a very good explanation of it. and provides examples too.

maybe the reason why we can't have high power is because were not aiming for it..
sticking with 12 volts..
sticking with slayer exciters..
maximizing the geometry..
etc..

on don's smith table top device, the primary capacitors are 4uf and it looks like a tank circuit.. at 2KV that's about 8 joules..
If you guys have ways to eliminate the output affecting the input power.. I think you just need to cycle larger amount of energy..
If a resonant tank circuit at that rating is maintained by a source of 12v..
and the output does not affect input.. technically you should be able to make a high power devices by now.. don't you think?.

Hello ricards,


low voltage is very safe to work with since i don't have a clear method how to replicate Don Smith effect ( not the device ..)
about the output don't affect the input i think yes there some sort of methods but it's not easy to do !

[ricards]

Hi med,ilandtan,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitive_coupling

wikipedia does a very good explanation of it. and provides examples too.

maybe the reason why we can't have high power is because were not aiming for it..
sticking with 12 volts..
sticking with slayer exciters..
maximizing the geometry..
etc..

on don's smith table top device, the primary capacitors are 4uf and it looks like a tank circuit.. at 2KV that's about 8 joules..
If you guys have ways to eliminate the output affecting the input power.. I think you just need to cycle larger amount of energy..
If a resonant tank circuit at that rating is maintained by a source of 12v..
and the output does not affect input.. technically you should be able to make a high power devices by now.. don't you think?.

[med.3012]

This is definitely true once you have a RX/TX capacitive coupling. Output does not effect input. Once you get your EBTC to resonate, and place another coil nearby, you'll have achieved it.

can you explain an example about a capacitive coupling ? the question remain why we can't achieve high power ? a few watts can't do a great job !

[ilandtan]

Don Smith video always lead me to think there's more .. he say the output don't affect the input in any respect which seem to be very difficult if not possible to some of us

This is definitely true once you have a RX/TX capacitive coupling. Output does not effect input. Once you get your EBTC to resonate, and place another coil nearby, you'll have achieved it.

[med.3012]

Med do you have a video of constant output of parallel loads? Incandescent bulbs are fine, LEDs are fine => 10W.

Basically something that stays on for up to 10 hours with 8Ahr battery?

i didn't arrived to this level ! i just compare the IN versus the OUT , in HV there's always an extra power but not to the point of constructing a self sustaining device..
i use a capacitors and see the discharged power ..

from time to time i take some studies and try low voltage experiments .. since it's very safe and easy to change the configuration in the fly , this allow too many variation in a small time, in my opinion the same law will work in HV or LV because we are dealing with current and voltage they exist and no way to run away from this fact

Don Smith video always lead me to think there's more .. he say the output don't affect the input in any respect which seem to be very difficult if not possible to some of us

i was very upset in an experiment when using a capacitive induction mechanism , the input is 3W when attaching a 3W bulb the consumption increased to be 6W

i tried to benefit from Lorentz forces without success , i tried the ETBC in the most advanced config but we always learn from mistakes !