Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Dwane]

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What I see in several examples is D.S went straight from his NST to his HV diode bridge, so this effort is the wrong direction from my point of view.

Hi ilandtan, here is the classic item where it appears the NST directly drives the device.

Regards

Dwane

[ricards]

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What I see in several examples is D.S went straight from his NST to his HV diode bridge, so this effort is the wrong direction from my point of view.

The cap has to be filled, and then discharged... or does it? Well that is the strange landscape that the AEG starts to tread. From the summaries, the cap is seen as the power source, but it maintains it's charge because you are only feeding one side. This is what we don't understand, how a capacitor can maintain it's charge but also produce energy.

Hi Ilandtan,

Isn't that highlighted in the link you have provided?.. I have been giving this a thought and try to look things at a different angle.. avoid the math and just focus on the logic.. I remember that I have read that website before.. but re-reading it again made a lot of sense.

the cap is maintaining it's charge because of the Inductive discharge.

since you are feeding one side of it at the same moment of the inductive discharge charging the same side, you are getting an increase in voltage.. this what we call resonance.. its not really producing energy it's just that the initial energy you put there before is not totally gone yet... so its stacking..

I agree with you that very few explored the magnetic aspect.. I haven't realized that until you pointed it out.

[ilandtan]

the following is a video posted in 2006 show the concept of serial ETBC,

https://youtu.be/lo0dRiKWUOc

input 3W charging 100UF TO 300V in about 3 second and discharging this to 40W/220V light bulb

Try to use different bulb Med, it will make you happier then pulsing the discharge. Single filament LED will stay lit with DC only.

Please understand I am not trying to slight you, and have the utmost respect for your work.

My point is that it is still the exciter you are focused on. I don't believe it makes sense that there is some configuration that will work so well it will power a house.

What I see in several examples is D.S went straight from his NST to his HV diode bridge, so this effort is the wrong direction from my point of view.

The cap has to be filled, and then discharged... or does it? Well that is the strange landscape that the AEG starts to tread. From the summaries, the cap is seen as the power source, but it maintains it's charge because you are only feeding one side. This is what we don't understand, how a capacitor can maintain it's charge but also produce energy.

[Dwane]

the following is a video posted in 2006 show the concept of serial ETBC,

https://youtu.be/lo0dRiKWUOc

input 3W charging 100UF TO 300V in about 3 second and discharging this to 40W/220V light bulb, i don't claim this is an over unity device but at least it's very important... until now only two people replicate this design... , Dwane and another person i know , in my opinion it's a learning process .. people on these energetic forums are doing a fantastic job since they have the willing to share what they find ... others already has something that work but they are quiet .. they only interact with big idea to get more but everything remain proprietary .. the problem is still human not scientific ...

like fighting in a cave of gold who has the proprietary while the process is natural .. the nature still amaze us to teach us but unfortunately stupidity is still around !

Hi Med.3012,
couple of things. One, when I work out a suitable power supply for the ETBC, i shall have another go at it!

The other "thing", is the notion of proprietary information. If someone has come up with a FE solution, the likelihood is that if it is any good, it will be suffocated in some way. Supressed, and etc. It sets a precedent too for the notion of greed - that is a direct benefit from other peoples forum contributions/ input. However, the biggest issue is the parochial notions of the Energy producers of their unique place in society as an Energy Supplier, therefore, they are the good guys. Regardless of what they charge for the supply of power or, as is quickly becoming a global concern, the method of power generation.

One would think that, as an example, that if Don Smith's devices were replicated and subsequently distributed throughout the world, then this would be cause for celebration! Climate Changers would be celebrating and consumers would be celebrating. The only ones not celebrating would be the small disproportionate number of energy suppliers to the populations that would financially suffer. And, literally loose their power!!

It is also possible, that a scenario could develop where communities would interact with their power supplies to either aggregate their energy and or be able to supply other member power if and when maintenance would be necessary. And so it would go, etc, etc ad infinitum. But, how would this revolution occur? Simple. plain straight out consumerism -"I want one too!!". Once this concept is realised all that need to happen if for the manufacture and supply and sale of the units which would be enabled for reverse engineering.

No secrets! Sure some people would make some money. Not every person is able to construct items. Think of all the new trades and small enterpises that would develop. It would be a cascade of innovation the likes of which would surpass anything that has preceded our current progress. The key result would not be a redifining of the economic power of energy supply, but, a redefined socio economic outcome where evryone benefits!

Too idealistic? Too altruistic? Well if I work it out, everyone will know!

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

It's not that I disagree with either of you, I can't tell you the answer because I don't know. But I have not seen "Huge Gain" I can only draw from my tests. I have put plates at right angles to a slayer coil... nothing remarkable.

I don't know why you would need to surround the entire L2 coil since the magnetic field would be resonant in a torus, with nodes and anti nodes.

I haven't seen anybody try it that way. I am not quoting any other Don Smith sayings(it's supporting theories with more theories), it's more useful to prove something to show "Any Gain At All".

the following is a video posted in 2006 show the concept of serial ETBC,

https://youtu.be/lo0dRiKWUOc

input 3W charging 100UF TO 300V in about 3 second and discharging this to 40W/220V light bulb, i don't claim this is an over unity device but at least it's very important... until now only two people replicate this design... , Dwane and another person i know , in my opinion it's a learning process .. people on these energetic forums are doing a fantastic job since they have the willing to share what they find ... others already has something that work but they are quiet .. they only interact with big idea to get more but everything remain proprietary .. the problem is still human not scientific ...

like fighting in a cave of gold who has the proprietary while the process is natural .. the nature still amaze us to teach us but unfortunately stupidity is still around !

[ilandtan]

Proof Not Quotes

It's not that I disagree with either of you, I can't tell you the answer because I don't know. But I have not seen "Huge Gain" I can only draw from my tests. I have put plates at right angles to a slayer coil... nothing remarkable.

I don't know why you would need to surround the entire L2 coil since the magnetic field would be resonant in a torus, with nodes and anti nodes.

I haven't seen anybody try it that way. I am not quoting any other Don Smith sayings(it's supporting theories with more theories), it's more useful to prove something to show "Any Gain At All".

[Dwane]

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The real point is, it seems that nobody on this forum pursues the magnetic aspect of these circuits, everybody spent so much time on the 2KW device (with 4 large PIO caps) because it's laid out and people have pictures to retro-engineer it. Ignoring the glaring fault to the circuit, it is incomplete, and f*** dangerous if you let it sit unloaded. The caps will charge to 8KV, and it will blow up anything you put across it. It's crazy huge, and at least 500 dollars in parts.

Don Smith said not to chase the wrong rabbit, and it's all that's been done. Trying to wind coils upon coils, just experimenting with coil geometries. I just don't think this way...

Don smith also said of the above demonstration model - 2KW(?) - that "I built it this way, because this is what people expect to see". What does that tell us? It suggests that a lot of time has been wasted on a teaching aid! Contained in this model are the clues to what Don was doing.

Also, I think Med.3012, and yourself are correct, its all about resonance and magnetic flux.

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

I also wanted to say that this thread was opened 10-17-2009, 11:30 AM. What have we learned?

Nothing

I am going to be honest: This maybe on purpose. All of Zilano's aid boiled down to a simple challenge, show me something working. Something not recognized as HF. It was never done by any replication. I only saw near unity, which is what D.S said would happen.

Insanity is continually repeating an action that has one outcome, and expecting another.


We have to do things differently.

Hello ilandtan


I agree with Dwane that Don smith device is so simple so it's very difficult to guess... , the phenomena involved should be new and not covered yet in any Text book..., one of them is the induction on a conducting surface ... the following from Don PDF :




it's clear Don device make a copy of available electric flux with radio frequency , each copy is a unity when thousand or million of oscillation in one second you have a huge gain !


regards

[ilandtan]

I also wanted to say that this thread was opened 10-17-2009, 11:30 AM. What have we learned?

Nothing

I am going to be honest: This maybe on purpose. All of Zilano's aid boiled down to a simple challenge, show me something working. Something not recognized as HF. It was never done by any replication. I only saw near unity, which is what D.S said would happen.

Insanity is continually repeating an action that has one outcome, and expecting another.


We have to do things differently.

[ilandtan]

You just have to look up the words "near unity" and "Near-Unity" in the Don Smith pdf, to understand that resonant coils are important in some of his systems. Like a stepping stone across the water stream, but it isn't the other shore.

Check this out if you want Don Smith Clarity/

The real point is, it seems that nobody on this forum pursues the magnetic aspect of these circuits, everybody spent so much time on the 2KW device (with 4 large PIO caps) because it's laid out and people have pictures to retro-engineer it. Ignoring the glaring fault to the circuit, it is incomplete, and f*** dangerous if you let it sit unloaded. The caps will charge to 8KV, and it will blow up anything you put across it. It's crazy huge, and at least 500 dollars in parts.

Don Smith said not to chase the wrong rabbit, and it's all that's been done. Trying to wind coils upon coils, just experimenting with coil geometries. I just don't think this way...

[Dwane]

If you consider all the pages of this thread, and the shear effort placed on the trying to build resonance. I think people would figure out that the exciter "disturber" of the ambient, isn't the hard part. I am not working on any exciter module technology.

It is the collection and transformation of stored energy. Two of Don Smith's devices don't show any L1/L2 coils, the part we don't see is this part that has been left out. The "Ambient Energy Generator" harnessing the Don Smith Effect. He said ALL his devices work that way. If any body has a clue and insights on this please respond.

Hi ilandtan,
Moi aussi! I too have attempted to understand " ambient energy generator". I have come to the conclusion that the attention to the exciter is due to the number of souls out there that are committed to concept of disturbing the ambient field surrounding us. I think Don states this too. So, exciter it is.

A physicist might be able to explain the ambient concept more clrearly, like suggesting molecular movement, matter antimatter, elctrons and so it goes. Jumbled up in all this is the glue that is made that holds it all together. Disturb the pot of glue and it will splill over and stick to something else! If I personally understand Don Smith at all, it is that he was able to stand back from the crowd and look into the mass without hysteria! He perceived that the mass held itself together by interaction, just as a crowd will stay together if there is a common theme. For DOn smith, I think that theme was understanding the imperative of the magnetic flux. Just like a verb to join or assimilate under a common theme: which verb is?

There is nothing simple about Don Smith's work. He understood what he wanted to achieve! Therefore, to him his success in understanding simplified the process for himself.

What we do not understand, is the simplicity that Don achieved!!

Just some musings to while the time away, wait for the explosion in my mind as to how to put it all together.

Regards

Dwane

[ilandtan]

Why do we keep beating our heads on the exciter

If you consider all the pages of this thread, and the shear effort placed on the trying to build resonance. I think people would figure out that the exciter "disturber" of the ambient, isn't the hard part. I am not working on any exciter module technology.

It is the collection and transformation of stored energy. Two of Don Smith's devices don't show any L1/L2 coils, the part we don't see is this part that has been left out. The "Ambient Energy Generator" harnessing the Don Smith Effect. He said ALL his devices work that way. If any body has a clue and insights on this please respond.

[Dwane]

Hi !

i was trying to use the right angle as described by Don Smith, also eliminating lenz's effect , i have a conclusion the right angle is the most important phenomena ... but the worst covered in text book !!! something they call Heaviside Energy Flow at Right Angles, even in the video of Rick Friedrich isn't explained so it can be fully used , Don smith talk about using the magnetic field at right angle but Rick Friedrich show us the old expiriment using two plates as a capacitor where he applied an electric current ...

another important discussion is the Lenz's effect ??!! is it so important to cancel it ? in smith PDF he talk about the loaded Dipole and their electromagnetic radiation ..

i think it's not important to get rid from Lenz's effect because it helped don smith to achieve high output .

Hi med.3012,

I have attempted to watch the videos of Rick Friedrick, you have linked. I would surmise that Rick could summarise his videos in about 15% of the time taken by him "pissing" about trying to sound knowledgeable. Boring and tedious does not even come close to describing any of the defining moments in his videos. I am always wondering when I try and watch any of his videos two things. One, how he hurt John Bedini with the issue of, what I think the issue was, misappropriation of intellectual property: two when is the make-up artist is going to enter the video and touch up his make up. His video's are not about his knowledge, but, about what he thinks of himself.

I have learned more from your Series ETBC video regarding some of the intricacies of power generation and power amplification, than Rick FriedRick could only dream about trying to explain. I always end up never watching fully any of his videos!!!

Regards

Dwane

[Dwane]

driver issiue

Hi tswift,
I am thinking, as I am getting AC output from fly back transformer in ZVS power unit, that the internal diode is stuffed. External diodes work for me!

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

Hi Med, Unfortunately I have tried to view Rick's videos, I find them hard to watch for the full duration because they seem wordy and cyclical. He seems to be knowledgeable or maybe it's over my head, I feel like I'm being lectured not taught.

I am looking for some ideas of how many Tesla receivers you can use, without loading the transmitter. According to D.S. you should not be limited. I want to do what I did in the video, but transmitted through Earth grounding. So I welcome any input anybody has!

Hi !


i agree with you, i suggest them to refresh your mind so maybe an idea will pop up, i am trying the same things but i want something compacted, i had an idea , i tested it but it's another failure

i gave it the name the D-ETBC, a kind of coil that work as energy harvesting :




after testing it i am able to know why it's a problematic , the geometry is very complicated , here you are the video describe it :

https://youtu.be/GuvJfAV1UA8

i was trying to use the right angle as described by Don Smith, also eliminating lenz's effect , i have a conclusion the right angle is the most important phenomena ... but the worst covered in text book !!! something they call Heaviside Energy Flow at Right Angles, even in the video of Rick Friedrich isn't explained so it can be fully used , Don smith talk about using the magnetic field at right angle but Rick Friedrich show us the old expiriment using two plates as a capacitor where he applied an electric current ...

another important discussion is the Lenz's effect ??!! is it so important to cancel it ? in smith PDF he talk about the loaded Dipole and their electromagnetic radiation ..

i think it's not important to get rid from Lenz's effect because it helped don smith to achieve high output .