Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ilandtan]

Med do you have a video of constant output of parallel loads? Incandescent bulbs are fine, LEDs are fine => 10W.

Basically something that stays on for up to 10 hours with 8Ahr battery?

[med.3012]

I may not understand it, but then again I haven't seen results that want me to understand it. I call em as I see em med, and when people see that pic, and think that's a requirement for TX/RX, and it's simply not true. So shake that rattle... If the goal is power generation, I'm not buying any sacred geometry.

You'll have guys wasting years trying to build spark gap resonant coils and winding them CW and CCW, back and forth, on and on... more years on the blasted exciter.

Please don't take it as a personal attack. I have told you before, I am willing to abandon any branch of my research when a learn that there is really nothing there. I'm a hermit crab moving to better shells. If you want to live in yours forever... more power to you. But it's my right to challenge you on experimental grounds and propose sanity checks.

if there's a result with it you will use it even if you don't understand it ..
when you work with an ETBC you have too many options , you can work with a Mixed ETBC, you can choose the serial ETBC, you have the dual one ( D-ETBC ) or if you are good enough you can try the T-ETBC

the beauty here even if you try a T-ETBC you have at least two configuration !! the most successful device is the S-ETBC , now i ask you did you built such device and test it ? most people built such device say it has a kind of hidden power.


i spent at least a 5 years developing the ETBC, the final model which describe it as a compacted Tesla wireless power transmitter is the key to fully understand it , i can share a photo show some test :





i was trying the possibility to use stainless steel as a core for the ETBC, heating effect was very tiny compared a normal coil ( i used Mazilli driver which put significant current inside it ..) this tell us it's not a classical electromagnetic device..

some strange test i was able to light a small incandescent light bulb without using a coil , as i said it's a very flexible device , i just opened the CD connection and put another small ETBC ( with ferrite core ) inside the big ETBC that work as a capacitor only and i can take power !

in all test there is energy consumption when a load is attached even in a capacitive induction ! this lead me to think there's another parameter should be discovered .

[ilandtan]

the ETBC is a very flexible device ... it's not inaccurate , you just don't understand it ! it's a model not just a device , for a Tesla wireless transmitter to work in such a compacted area we need other requirement to fill ..

when i say a model it can be beyond what you see it ...it's not my fault you see it inaccurate.

I may not understand it, but then again I haven't seen results that want me to understand it. I call em as I see em med, and when people see that pic, and think that's a requirement for TX/RX, and it's simply not true. So shake that rattle... If the goal is power generation, I'm not buying any sacred geometry.

You'll have guys wasting years trying to build spark gap resonant coils and winding them CW and CCW, back and forth, on and on... more years on the blasted exciter.

Please don't take it as a personal attack. I have told you before, I am willing to abandon any branch of my research when a learn that there is really nothing there. I'm a hermit crab moving to better shells. If you want to live in yours forever... more power to you. But it's my right to challenge you on experimental grounds and propose sanity checks.

[med.3012]

This picture is inaccurate. Once you transmitter is broadcasting, even a nearby pipe can harvest the energy. My RX/TX slayer are wound both the same way. We need to peel the BS and rattle shaking to experimentation.

However Helical coil direction does matter when you set up your transmitter. I had two primaries, both wound with the same diameter just in different directions. No matter how I tried to get one to work, I couldn't produce the same power with the other. My L2's are wound CW, my primary worked the best CCW

the ETBC is a very flexible device ... it's not inaccurate , you just don't understand it ! it's a model not just a device , for a Tesla wireless transmitter to work in such a compacted area we need other requirement to fill ..

when i say a model it can be beyond what you see it ...it's not my fault you see it inaccurate.

[ilandtan]

This picture is inaccurate. Once you transmitter is broadcasting, even a nearby pipe can harvest the energy. My RX/TX slayer are wound both the same way. We need to peel the BS and rattle shaking to experimentation.

However Helical coil direction does matter when you set up your transmitter. I had two primaries, both wound with the same diameter just in different directions. No matter how I tried to get one to work, I couldn't produce the same power with the other. My L2's are wound CW, my primary worked the best CCW

[med.3012]

@ilandtan



Thank you for the video, it show another way to oscillate the bifilar coil , the idea is interesting

[ilandtan]

Most successful experiments was done in HV using a spark gap discharge ; time to time i use low voltage to study profoundly what's going on so i can make a big step toward HV experiment, still working on the compacted Tesla wireless power transmitter :

Spark Gap induced resonance is a much harder to achieve, and to produce constant output(without kill you potentials). That's why it lends itself more to accumulated discharge like a classic Tesla coil spark show. And no one can use a flashing bulb... unless it's on top of a cop car. I honestly think it's another pitfall of why people ended up giving up, this quest.


If I may provide a suggestion for you med, in your goal for the TX/RX EBTC. Use this concept for the TX, it should have the same advantage, low voltage, self adjusting resonance.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UmVLfFNx7U[/VIDEO]

What DS said about near unity in resonance is true from my experiments. You don't start doing anything cool until you work on the RX side.

[med.3012]

I purposely maintain a 12 V source, because I want to limit the lethal nature of these circuits. I want to have a definitive result. D.S. claimed the use of small 12V batteries to drive his generators.

I think that you cheat Lenz effect by keeping the the current low. Low current creates proportionally low magnetic counter force, that's why we use HV at resonance, HF for transmission, Scalar transmission to reduce absorption and deflection. Then you use diodes to return the energy back to usable DC you can store. My theory anyways...

Pardon my asking Med, you're "perfect antenna" doesn't happen to be in the shape of an EBTC?

Most successful experiments was done in HV using a spark gap discharge ; time to time i use low voltage to study profoundly what's going on so i can make a big step toward HV experiment, still working on the compacted Tesla wireless power transmitter :




some strange results was obtained recently show the importance of energy balance concept , the ETBC if used as an antenna is very sensible to the position /geometry of the primary coil and act in a very different way if something is changed, the use of conducting surface make it perfect as an antenna but nothing important to share until now .

[ilandtan]

Hi !

Lenz effect is a permanent problem since we use coil, the scalar field must be compressed again in our wires .. in my opinion this what limit our choice .

regards

I purposely maintain a 12 V source, because I want to limit the lethal nature of these circuits. I want to have a definitive result. D.S. claimed the use of small 12V batteries to drive his generators.

I think that you cheat Lenz effect by keeping the the current low. Low current creates proportionally low magnetic counter force, that's why we use HV at resonance, HF for transmission, Scalar transmission to reduce absorption and deflection. Then you use diodes to return the energy back to usable DC you can store. My theory anyways...

Pardon my asking Med, you're "perfect antenna" doesn't happen to be in the shape of an EBTC?

[med.3012]

Look no further Med, a Slayer TX/RX will do just that. You can pull the magnetic energy from the receiving coil, and the RX can use a common ground or Earth ground making it totally independent of the primary. You don't have to worry about Lenz's law limiting the primary, because the two are capacitively coupled not inductively coupled. The RX just transforms the energy, and that's why it doesn't produce a field that destroys it's own resonance. I think it's possible to run a multi primary slayer with one primary being driven by the energy harvested from the secondary. Multi primary slayers use a common L2 coil, and that's how they increase the slayer output.

I think geometry is not important as long as you are within the scalar field between primary and secondary. I also suspect geometry is important as Tesla says in terms of the transmission system, to take advantage of the telluric echo.

Hi !

in your above example your input is 6W and you can illuminate around 10W, say we want 600 W output , if the relation is proportional we need 360 W input , in my opinion 360 W is a high input power and we may have a problem running the slayer exciter in such power level .

what i want to say is we need the perfect antenna to harvest the power , Don Smith system is based on a special antenna that make it possible to run in a low power level but able to catch hundred if not thousand of watts ..

Lenz effect is a permanent problem since we use coil, the scalar field must be compressed again in our wires .. in my opinion this what limit our choice .

regards

[ilandtan]

Hello ilandtan!

i don't know how to explain it ! the key word is the magnetic field , another key is the geometry where we take the power , in other words we need to make a perfect antenna that don't disturb the primary coil .. the primary coil have to be seeing as unloaded coil magnetically

if i find a good example i will put it here , soon

regards

Look no further Med, a Slayer TX/RX will do just that. You can pull the magnetic energy from the receiving coil, and the RX can use a common ground or Earth ground making it totally independent of the primary. You don't have to worry about Lenz's law limiting the primary, because the two are capacitively coupled not inductively coupled. The RX just transforms the energy, and that's why it doesn't produce a field that destroys it's own resonance. I think it's possible to run a multi primary slayer with one primary being driven by the energy harvested from the secondary. Multi primary slayers use a common L2 coil, and that's how they increase the slayer output.

I think geometry is not important as long as you are within the scalar field between primary and secondary. I also suspect geometry is important as Tesla says in terms of the transmission system, to take advantage of the telluric echo.

[med.3012]

Hello ilandtan!

i don't know how to explain it ! the key word is the magnetic field , another key is the geometry where we take the power , in other words we need to make a perfect antenna that don't disturb the primary coil .. the primary coil have to be seeing as unloaded coil magnetically

if i find a good example i will put it here , soon

regards

[ilandtan]

Hi Med,

So please help me out here. I apologize I don't understand the point you are making. I see your picture, and I understand Lenz's law. Can you please expand on your statement?

[med.3012]

Someone has already confirmed that rf bubble surrounds these circuits, maybe this is a way to point us in the right direction. If we increase the magnetic density by standing waves, we should get more out then we put in. This may only happen at certain frequencies. Having a tool that lets you know you are tweaking in the right direction may be useful.

Could this be moving field magnetic amplification? The trifield meter jumps around frantically on the receiver, but is less active on the transmitter.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_zENqxpH6c[/VIDEO]

Magnetic amplification produced by scalar transmission?

Hello ilandtan!

theoretically the magnetic field don't diminish and move toward great distance , increasing the magnetic field density is a great strategy but we are confined by Lenz's effect which decrease the obtained power dramatically ..

you have an infinite power but the induced magnetic field always oppose the source power which unbalance the system .. in this case the electric current is greatly related with the source voltage..
the interaction remain not far from a closed system .

in my opinion this is why we have to understand the concept of energy balance , in this situation either the electric current or the voltage remain in a well balanced state even when you take power .. it's a kind of system blindness .

[ilandtan]

The study of the electrical field is important in open systems. Requires more of this...

Slayer exciter demo shown should be in every classroom.

When I reflect at the numerous people who tried to create Don Smith circuits in the hopes of running their house, and becoming gillion-airs, blindly creating electrical circuits with no goal at all... It's just bad comedy like whacking a golf ball in a sand trap without changing your technique or approach.

The Slayer Exciter is a cheap and non lethal easy win when it comes to building a self tuning resonant circuit; To experience the gain on a TX/RX device. I know there were many people who failed in just creating a working resonant device early in the Zilano days and just gave up or had a HV accident.

I have a 12V slayer exciter that I input 6W and I can illuminate around 10W of LEDs, brightly at full capacity. I can even light a 15W LED fairly brightly. I tune nothing by scope.

What if I folded that RX power(It does not affect Input Power) back to my input and drove a 2nd primary?

I'm seeking ways to multiply my magnetic density, as DS said the electrical side is the wrong rabbit hole, and I need tools to show me I am accomplishing something. I totally agree that the slayer exciter should be taught, however we don't understand it, but when we do... it would rewrite some concepts and laws.