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  • Bodkins
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    YouTube - Bodkins 13 BEDINI IMHOTEP TESLA
    i think the charging drops! because the big caps charges better but im still playing with it.
    if i take the ground off i can use the big cap as ground!

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  • Lidmotor
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    Imhotep Relay Charger coil values

    Originally posted by ren View Post
    Unfortunately this is one of the problems with digital multimeters DavidE Sparking of the commutator inside the hobby motor can make your meter erratic. If you want to rule this possibility out buy a simple panel meter or analogue gauge and place it in parallel with your digital meter. If you still get erratic readings you could be onto something. Or if your DC motor is brushless then this is a different story. Remember a commutator is like a simple switch, in a way it is similar to the single relay circuit shown recently by Imhotep. So the make and breaks of the commutator inside the hobby motor causes the inductive spike, in this case it doesnt have anywhere to go, its not directed anywhere upon coil collapse. You will probably find that your meters continue to become more erratic the more you try to measure this type of electricity, I have about 8 cheap DVMs sitting here which all do the same thing.

    Makes you realise just how inefficient the common DC motor is, none of this inductive spike is taken into account. If you are unsure of the design of a commutator check this page out. http://hades.mech.northwestern.edu/w...or_cutaway.png

    By the way Lid, your amp draw on the single relay unit is directly related to the resistance of the coil inside. Measure the resistance, it will most likely be highish (over 100 ohms likely) , and probably doesnt draw much more than 30ma when shorted (switched on closed loop). They are designed that way for efficiencies, and can be duplicated by using a high resistance gauge for your coil. But good work nonetheless, just goes to show how little amount of current is needed to create the inductive spike. And how simple it can be with available parts.
    Ren,
    I measured the coil and it is 89 ohms and draws 120 milliamps when dead shorted. I have checked the draw using an analog meter and a digital and it is a real reading. The charge battery is being hit with BIG back spike voltage and charges up quickly. I think that the very fast snappy switching by the relay is what causes these result. I was very surprised that something this simple performed this well. Hats off to Imhotep for designing this.

    Lidmotor

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  • anut
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    I have not seen your setup, but I got some similar effects in two different experiments before. Today, my digital multi-meter blew up simply because of this reason.



    Originally posted by DavidE View Post
    Tonight I was working on conditioning my batteries and decided to throw them a new load (a little 7v hobby motor) versus the led lights I had been using.

    12v 5ah battery (exit light battery)
    7v hobby motor
    I observed marked polarities (+-)
    Starting voltage 12.5v

    Within a few minutes I notice my multi-meter starting to become erratic. 10.2v...16.1v...12.9... and then it went off of the scale (20). So I switched to the (200) scale, 50v... 75v.... 30v... 130v... a few more minutes passed and it went off of the scale again. So I switched to the (600) scale. 350v... 800v... a few more minutes passed and and it went off of that scale. I am really surprised the meter was not cooked. I got a bit concerned and pulled one of the power leads off of the motor... a 1 inch violet spark arced as I pulled it away from the motor.

    Scale 600 HV



    Keep in mind, nothing but motor, battery and meter were connected. As you can see 1958v on the meter. I disconnected the battery, and checked the at rest voltage... it was 12.8v a net gain of .3v after demonstrating the availability of THOUSANDS of volts of potential.

    I have three other batteries that I have been conditioning. The next two batteries did not give the same effect. But the fourth did, again I could reach into the range of 1500-1900v.

    The good news here is that this is a simple set up, and anyone can test if their batteries are conditioned well enough to produce this phenomena.

    Please replicate and post results...






    Note: Be patient to watch for this effect. I have two batteries that demonstrated this, but the second battery took longer to build up the momentum or avalanche effect. If you have run it down to 11.8v and still do not see any voltage instability (up/down), the battery is probably not conditioned well enough to get over the threshold.

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  • Guest
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    For theory and interesting experiments please read the book "Scalar waves" by Konstantin Meyl. In short the key to success is rotating vortices in a spherical setting with dielectric materials included. The neutrino can be made to release an electron this way. If you read the book you will make even greater strides I believe.

    Meyl is the only one with theory and practice of the new theory included in the same book. Tesla is his main focus.

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  • Bodkins
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    Got some video coming the next one is just copper wire stuff
    DavidE thats Nat with the last video Not me!
    Last edited by Bodkins; 10-16-2008, 09:19 PM.

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  • DavidE
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    NAT!

    Question... and quick comment.

    YouTube - BEDINI IMHOTEP BODKINS REPLICATION UPDATE7 RADIANT ENERGY

    In the notes that you were reading from... did you say 2 (two) copper spheres?

    Secondly, Tesla emphasizes the importance of grounding connections as part of the Wardenclyffe Tower. "Several" grounding attachments hundreds of feet into the ground.

    Keep the videos coming!



    Sorry for the errant post to you (Bodkins), I thought you were sounding way to coherent in that video. : )
    Last edited by DavidE; 10-15-2008, 04:45 PM.

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  • DavidE
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    Nat

    Thank you for passing along the link.

    I think that we have to exercise some care to separate respective efforts of tapping radiant energy fields, and duplicating Tesla's apparatus for transmitting electrical power (experimentally).

    It would seem prudent to be able to produce the egg (source force), before we try and make the omelet (transmittance of the same).

    My belief for the moment is that Bedini has mastered the access of aetheric gas... through a lead acid battery (properly conditioned).

    Telsa mastered access of the same through coils, capacitors, etc.

    As to my "battery" test. I am NOT convinced that we have proper instruments to measure some of the new properties of energies being produced by some set ups. What I am convinced of is that faster newer instruments do tend to react much quicker to show phenomena that older analog meters simply ignore.

    I have abandoned my analog meter based on its inability to detect the voltage of periodic significant electrical discharges. I have also first hand (pun intended) been on the receiving end of this high voltage... always hoping that it doesn't interrupt the rhythm of an old heart.

    I am not asking you or anyone else for a specific belief of what I reported. What I am asking is for additional efforts to be made to determine what part of such a simple set up, produces such unique phenomena.

    I tested four batteries with the same equipment. Two of four produced unique notable phenomena. This morning I added a single lead of a prepared cfl to the negative side of the motor lead, voltage on the meter significantly increased (the light didn't light).

    One other note. All I have to acquire data is two meters. One analog, one digital. When I set up the test set up with the analog... the meter did not even read the load. Only the standing voltage of the battery. When I laid down the digital meter it happened to be on the leads going to the motor. Almost instantly the meter was showing high voltage dc. The leads were not connected to anything.

    What does this prove? Surely we are playing cat and mouse, with some kind of new phenomena.
    Last edited by DavidE; 10-15-2008, 04:43 PM.

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  • boostedbb
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    nice relay charger

    I was wondering if anybody had tried using the 400v radiant spikes to power an electrolysis cell for producing hho and if so how was your output? I haven't made the buzz charger yet, but plan to. Thank you Imhotep.

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  • nat1971a
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    YouTube - BEDINI IMHOTEP BODKINS REPLICATION UPDATE7 RADIANT ENERGY


    TESLA'S RADIANT ENERGY SYSTEM - AN UNDERSTANDING

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  • ren
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    Originally posted by DavidE View Post
    Tonight I was working on conditioning my batteries and decided to throw them a new load (a little 7v hobby motor) versus the led lights I had been using.

    12v 5ah battery (exit light battery)
    7v hobby motor
    I observed marked polarities (+-)
    Starting voltage 12.5v

    Within a few minutes I notice my multi-meter starting to become erratic. 10.2v...16.1v...12.9... and then it went off of the scale (20). So I switched to the (200) scale, 50v... 75v.... 30v... 130v... a few more minutes passed and it went off of the scale again. So I switched to the (600) scale. 350v... 800v... a few more minutes passed and and it went off of that scale. I am really surprised the meter was not cooked. I got a bit concerned and pulled one of the power leads off of the motor... a 1 inch violet spark arced as I pulled it away from the motor.

    Scale 600 HV



    Keep in mind, nothing but motor, battery and meter were connected. As you can see 1958v on the meter. I disconnected the battery, and checked the at rest voltage... it was 12.8v a net gain of .3v after demonstrating the availability of THOUSANDS of volts of potential.

    I have three other batteries that I have been conditioning. The next two batteries did not give the same effect. But the fourth did, again I could reach into the range of 1500-1900v.

    The good news here is that this is a simple set up, and anyone can test if their batteries are conditioned well enough to produce this phenomena.

    Please replicate and post results...






    Note: Be patient to watch for this effect. I have two batteries that demonstrated this, but the second battery took longer to build up the momentum or avalanche effect. If you have run it down to 11.8v and still do not see any voltage instability (up/down), the battery is probably not conditioned well enough to get over the threshold.

    Unfortunately this is one of the problems with digital multimeters DavidE Sparking of the commutator inside the hobby motor can make your meter erratic. If you want to rule this possibility out buy a simple panel meter or analogue gauge and place it in parallel with your digital meter. If you still get erratic readings you could be onto something. Or if your DC motor is brushless then this is a different story. Remember a commutator is like a simple switch, in a way it is similar to the single relay circuit shown recently by Imhotep. So the make and breaks of the commutator inside the hobby motor causes the inductive spike, in this case it doesnt have anywhere to go, its not directed anywhere upon coil collapse. You will probably find that your meters continue to become more erratic the more you try to measure this type of electricity, I have about 8 cheap DVMs sitting here which all do the same thing.

    Makes you realise just how inefficient the common DC motor is, none of this inductive spike is taken into account. If you are unsure of the design of a commutator check this page out. http://hades.mech.northwestern.edu/w...or_cutaway.png

    By the way Lid, your amp draw on the single relay unit is directly related to the resistance of the coil inside. Measure the resistance, it will most likely be highish (over 100 ohms likely) , and probably doesnt draw much more than 30ma when shorted (switched on closed loop). They are designed that way for efficiencies, and can be duplicated by using a high resistance gauge for your coil. But good work nonetheless, just goes to show how little amount of current is needed to create the inductive spike. And how simple it can be with available parts.
    Last edited by ren; 10-15-2008, 08:06 AM.

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  • Agongon
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    Lidmotor:

    Thanks for the video. This is very nice, noisy but simplest. What is impressive is its charging capability and this is a winner as i see it. The noise can be muffled in various ways, even placed it inside soundproofed box and then to bigger box and sealed it. Box can be part aluminum that will dissipate build-up of heat.

    AND the amp draw is amazing. Then radiant energy from the ignition coil can be collected. If we have parallels of this setup, how much radiant energy can be collected? Worth another sleepless nights.

    Thanks again Lid for sharing your experimentation.


    .

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  • DavidE
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    Nat

    Electret = Capacitor (with polarity)

    I will look forward to your info about this.

    Reviewing the Patent for his transmitter seems more like a toroid with a concentric dome top. Not sure if it is a magic shape, or the "treatment" and the shape.... look at the little nubs drawn on this patent drawing that cover the toroid. Tesla was such a detail and big picture man in the same instant...

    PBS: Tesla - Master of Lightning: Selected Tesla Patents

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  • DavidE
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    Shocking!

    Tonight I was working on conditioning my batteries and decided to throw them a new load (a little 7v hobby motor) versus the led lights I had been using.

    12v 5ah battery (exit light battery)
    7v hobby motor
    I observed marked polarities (+-)
    Starting voltage 12.5v

    Within a few minutes I notice my multi-meter starting to become erratic. 10.2v...16.1v...12.9... and then it went off of the scale (20). So I switched to the (200) scale, 50v... 75v.... 30v... 130v... a few more minutes passed and it went off of the scale again. So I switched to the (600) scale. 350v... 800v... a few more minutes passed and and it went off of that scale. I am really surprised the meter was not cooked. I got a bit concerned and pulled one of the power leads off of the motor... a 1 inch violet spark arced as I pulled it away from the motor.

    Scale 600 HV



    Keep in mind, nothing but motor, battery and meter were connected. As you can see 1958v on the meter. I disconnected the battery, and checked the at rest voltage... it was 12.8v a net gain of .3v after demonstrating the availability of THOUSANDS of volts of potential.

    I have three other batteries that I have been conditioning. The next two batteries did not give the same effect. But the fourth did, again I could reach into the range of 1500-1900v.

    The good news here is that this is a simple set up, and anyone can test if their batteries are conditioned well enough to produce this phenomena.

    Please replicate and post results...






    Note: Be patient to watch for this effect. I have two batteries that demonstrated this, but the second battery took longer to build up the momentum or avalanche effect. If you have run it down to 11.8v and still do not see any voltage instability (up/down), the battery is probably not conditioned well enough to get over the threshold.

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  • hh1341
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    Hey Lid,

    Very nice!

    Carl

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  • Lidmotor
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    Imhotep's New Relay Charger running a CFL

    Hey,
    This is a side track but I just had to try this. Thanks Imhotep for the new toy. It really works neat. I modified the relay so it would oscillate a simple CFL circuit at the same time that it was charging. I ran the relay off my small 2 watt solar panel. Really cooooollll. I didn't hookup the ground or antenna to it---yet.
    Here is the video:

    YouTube - Imhotep Relay Charger Replication

    Lidmotor

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