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  • Joit
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  • byjoveoldchap
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    Originally posted by mrbreau View Post

    When you separate the two wires they must be checked to see which coil/post which wire goes to. The posts/coils need to be next to each other. (You can use a battery and a light to find out which is which.)
    It doesn't matter where the two seperated wires go mrbreau, their are both at the end of the two coils. As long as there are 4 wires comng from the fan, you can join them outside to make the two circuits.

    You're absolutely right about the battery and light, it can help people out who have no meter.
    Last edited by byjoveoldchap; 11-05-2008, 01:12 AM.

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  • byjoveoldchap
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    How To Test the Coil Circuits Without a Meter

    Originally posted by teslamaniak View Post
    On the stator, there's one of the three posts wich got 2 wires. all I did is to remove one of those two wires and resold it on the 4th post wich I added manually. Did I miss something ? Is there something else to do ?

    Thank you very much for your help.
    You did it correctly teslamaniac. Providing you added an extra wire?

    If you have NO meter, use a small bulb and battery to test continuity with the coils. Understand?

    Use or make a simple Test Light

    Use a battery that will light up a small bulb or LED. eg - Bicycle lamp, car test light or torch.
    Connect a wire to one of the battery terminals [+ or -]
    Then connect another wire to the other end of battery.
    Connect these two wires to the bulb or LED and ensure it lights up clearly.

    To test the coil circuits.

    Mark all four wires from fan with tape and number them 1, 2, 3, and 4.
    Simply remove one wire from bulb and connect it to wire No 1.
    Connect wire No 2 to the bulb, where you just removed the wire above.

    If the bulb lights up, you have found a complete circuit. [join with tape or make a note of both wire numbers].

    If the bulb does NOT light up, test again with wire No 3.
    If the bulb does NOT light up, test again with wire No 4.

    You should now have found one pair of coil wires. These can be called the 'trigger' coil wires.

    Repeat the bulb test with the two remaining wires and these should also light up. These will be your power coil wires.

    If you cannot find two pairs of wires that complete the test circuit and light up the bulb, you will need to inspect the wiring to the fan and the soldered connections inside.

    Check that the test bulb definately lights up when connected to battery and try the test again to be certain.

    If you have a 12v battery, you can use one of these as a test light.

    psss, I can't believe how long it takes to explain a simple technique

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    If you have two complete coil circuits remember this...

    ... if the motor does NOT work swap either T1 and T2 OR P1 and P2

    ~~~ DO NOT SWAP BOTH SETS! ~~~ read this post for more help

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  • mrbreau
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    Did you read the instructions?

    Originally posted by teslamaniak View Post
    Well, i'm not very lucky... All I've got is a stabilisation movement from the fan. I feel the current flowing in it but I think there's a mistake with the coils winding. On the stator, there's one of the three posts wich got 2 wires. all I did is to remove one of those two wires and resold it on the 4th post wich I added manually. Did I miss something ? Is there something else to do ?

    Thank you very much for your help.
    I did...........a number of times.

    When you separate the two wires they must be checked to see which coil/post which wire goes to. The posts/coils need to be next to each other. (You can use a battery and a light to find out which is which.)

    *Due Dilligence* will take a LOT of guesswork out of the project. Also consider the five Ps.

    Warren
    ..

    "And the meek shall inherit the earth." Where does it say the *meek* are people???

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  • wantfreeenergy
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    you could always use trial and error.

    keep one wire for the positive. now if it aint workin then swap the two wires on the emitter/base. if that doesn't work then take one of those two wires and swap it with the wire on the collector. now if there is still no function, then again swap the emitter/base wires.

    and if it still don't work then "did you manually try to give the fan a spin to kick start it?", and if so then....... I say check your transistor to make sure it aint fried.

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  • teslamaniak
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    I don't have a meter at home to check the continuity I have to buy a new one. Thank you for your help.

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  • slayer007
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    Did you try to check the continuity with a meter to make sure you didn't get the coils mixed?

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  • teslamaniak
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    Same result...

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  • slayer007
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    Switch your wires around.
    Try eather one but only switch one set at a time.
    Then try it to see if it works.
    If it dont put the wires back as they were and switch the other set.

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  • teslamaniak
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    Well, i'm not very lucky... All I've got is a stabilisation movement from the fan. I feel the current flowing in it but I think there's a mistake with the coils winding. On the stator, there's one of the three posts wich got 2 wires. all I did is to remove one of those two wires and resold it on the 4th post wich I added manually. Did I miss something ? Is there something else to do ?

    Thank you very much for your help.

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  • teslamaniak
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    Hi jove,

    thank you very much for your help. Those explanations will help me for sure as I understand much better how the cricuit works. I'll keep you informed about my replica.

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  • byjoveoldchap
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    Originally posted by DaveM View Post

    Running the system with the 12.1v power supply I found the system most efficient at low RPM
    Thanks DaveM

    I totally agree, low revs gets the best results for me too!

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  • byjoveoldchap
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    Originally posted by teslamaniak View Post
    HI all , it's my first post here.
    Imhotep i'd like to thank you for the time you've put on the video tutorial.
    thank you very much for your help.
    teslamaniak

    I like your photo, you remind me of someone...

    what makes the difference between a positive one and a negative ? How can I spot the pos and neg ?

    I had similar problems and was worried that I might connect them wrongly, so I can understand your concern.
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    Don't worry trying to find out where the N and S poles are,
    it's NOT important and also very difficult to explain clearly without diagrams.

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    As Imhotep said, you need to have 4 wires connected to the coils in the motor as shown on his video.

    Use a meter and find out which wires make the two circuits
    • one pair will be the 'trigger' coils
    • the other pair will be the 'power coils'

    mark them or tape them in pairs


    ~~~

    EXAMPLE: mark one pair T1 and T2 and the other pair P1 and P2

    it does NOT matter which pair you use for trigger or power, as the COILS should be identical
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    connect the two pairs of wires to your circuit

    do NOT worry which is pos/neg or N or S poles

    ~~~

    Now, if the motor does NOT work swap either T1 and T2 OR P1 and P2

    DO NOT SWAP BOTH SETS!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The motor will NOT self start, you need to spin the motor so that the trigger coils generate a small voltage to switch the Transistor ON and that will send current to the Power coils and the motor will continue running.

    I hope this helps?
    By Jove!
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    Last edited by byjoveoldchap; 10-28-2008, 03:44 AM.

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  • DaveM
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  • teslamaniak
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    Hi Bodkins, it seems that we don't got the same fan but i appreciate your contribution. Thanks for your help. Never give up, this is the key, the most important is to believe in what we're doing the rest is just a matter of time.

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