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[lost66]

Try it and see what happens

i just hope, i dont see it going up in smoke!!
i think it would be wors if it does not work, after all that eford

[Sephiroth]

thank you guys,
i think the best thing for me to do, is to wined the whole coil onto the router, in the same directions as what is already on there (it will be easier to shorten the windings, than to make them longer)
i am not to keen on removing coils and rewinding them (i would rather leave that for the day when i build the real deal from scratch)
this experiment is for me to see how it works and then i want to get into the more advanced stuff.
if you think i am making a big mistake, or wasting my time, going this way round please let me know.
thanx once again

Try it and see what happens

[lost66]

thank you guys,
i think the best thing for me to do, is to wined the whole coil onto the router, in the same directions as what is already on there (it will be easier to shorten the windings, than to make them longer)
i am not to keen on removing coils and rewinding them (i would rather leave that for the day when i build the real deal from scratch)
this experiment is for me to see how it works and then i want to get into the more advanced stuff.
if you think i am making a big mistake, or wasting my time, going this way round please let me know.
thanx once again

[Joit]

Seph,
i got the Idea from,
as i did make a Trigger Coil at a Bedini with Coils attached with to much different at Ohms,
one Coil did heat up, so i had to align them to eachother,
i did only put some more Windings at one from them.
then they been Equal, +-10 Ohms and they both stayed cool.
Size was about #24/0,4mm, so 1 Ohm is anyway a lot of Wire.

But i wont say, it is all time the case, just at mine it was.
Not sure, how it does looks like, when you have a Fan, and just put some small Wire for the Trigger on it.

[Sephiroth]

cool thanx, i just striper a 24v contacter it reads out 15.5 ohms.
the current windings are about 1 ohm each, so if i join them into series, then that should give me a winding of 2 ohms,
so that means i should only use a 7th of the contacters wire?

Sorry Joit, but where did you get the idea that the trigger winding should be the same resistance as the power windings???

lost66 - the trigger winding's resistance hardly matters at all as long as it isn't so high it can't pass enough current to trigger the transistor. 15 ohms is fine. You want the turns on the trigger wire to be the same as your power winding and they must be wound in parallel, so you will need to take the windings off that are already on there then rewind the coil with the trigger winding at the same time.

[lost66]

It should be ok.
Maybe better, you look for same Ohms like your Power coil,
so actually not much.
But still a few Windings, that each Post can got some healthy induction.

_Edit_
Btw, my Comment about the Magnetfield from the Triggercoil and the Power coil field.
It will create a own Field also, when there is a resistance at the Coil,
and this Field interacts with the Field from the Powercoil.
Thats depends at the size from the Triggercoil too.
But that is kinda advanced and unprooven Thinking from me,
for now, better, you only build it easy and simple

cool thanx, i just striper a 24v contacter it reads out 15.5 ohms.
the current windings are about 1 ohm each, so if i join them into series, then that should give me a winding of 2 ohms,
so that means i should only use a 7th of the contacters wire?

[Joit]

ok cool i will get on2 it
would some thing like alarm wire b ok. amount of turns??

It should be ok.
Maybe better, you look for same Ohms like your Power coil,
so actually not much.
But still a few Windings, that each Post can got some healthy induction.

_Edit_
Btw, my Comment about the Magnetfield from the Triggercoil and the Power coil field.
It will create a own Field also, when there is a resistance at the Coil,
and this Field interacts with the Field from the Powercoil.
Thats depends at the size from the Triggercoil too.
But that is kinda advanced and unprooven Thinking from me,
for now, better, you only build it easy and simple

[lost66]

That's right

ok cool i will get on2 it
would some thing like alarm wire b ok. amount of turns??

[Sephiroth]

if u say in series would it be,
a1 start, join a2 & b1 and have b2 as the end (then it will be in series, and go around the rotor twice)?

That's right

[lost66]

That sound's about right wiring the coils in series may slow the fan down, but it will also reduce your amp draw, and the circuit will (probably) operate more efficiently.

if u say in series would it be,
a1 start, join a2 & b1 and have b2 as the end (then it will be in series, and go around the rotor twice)?

[Sephiroth]

using a clamp meter, it is about 1 or 1.2 amps with the fan running at about full tilt. the casing sed it about 15watts

That sound's about right wiring the coils in series may slow the fan down, but it will also reduce your amp draw, and the circuit will (probably) operate more efficiently.

[Sephiroth]

that sounds good, but i dont want to take out the old trigger winding, i would like to incorporate it in the primary winding somehow. there is enough space to add a new triger winding

That's fine... I agree, there is plenty of space on your coils to add another (thinner) winding for the trigger.

Judging by the fried pots, I'm pretty sure that wiring them in series would be better.

[lost66]

using a clamp meter, it is about 1 or 1.2 amps with the fan running at about full tilt. the casing sed it about 15watts

[lost66]

Blackchisel97 has offered good advice

If your pot is burning out then it would help if you add another resistor (or bulb, or relay coil) in series with the pot. I would recommend just a resistor to begin with.

Find out what value (in ohms) the pot is set at when it is operating well... let's say for example it is 150 ohms. Choose a resistor that has a lower value... perhaps half.

You don't want to tap power from the trigger winding... it will just mess up the triggering and you won't gain that much from it anyway since the charging battery is a much lower impedance than your trigger circuit.

It may be worth while rewinding your coils with a much finer gauge for the trigger winding... this will let you have more turns on your primary winding AND trigger winding, and make the turns closer together, increasing the coil's inductance. Make sure you wind them the same way as the original windings

What's your current draw when the fan is operating normally?

that sounds good, but i dont want to take out the old trigger winding, i would like to incorporate it in the primary winding somehow. there is enough space to add a new triger winding

[Sephiroth]

Blackchisel97 has offered good advice

If your pot is burning out then it would help if you add another resistor (or bulb, or relay coil) in series with the pot. I would recommend just a resistor to begin with.

Find out what value (in ohms) the pot is set at when it is operating well... let's say for example it is 150 ohms. Choose a resistor that has a lower value... perhaps half.

You don't want to tap power from the trigger winding... it will just mess up the triggering and you won't gain that much from it anyway since the charging battery is a much lower impedance than your trigger circuit.

It may be worth while rewinding your coils with a much finer gauge for the trigger winding... this will let you have more turns on your primary winding AND trigger winding, and make the turns closer together, increasing the coil's inductance. Make sure you wind them the same way as the original windings

What's your current draw when the fan is operating normally?