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  • shingot
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    thanks stargate, i'll try them as soon as i get my wires, my original windings were broken already so i'll be needing new ones.

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  • FRC
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    shingot

    I do have computer fans that are wound like that also and they do work with my one transistor SSG circuit I have. But the five inch fan that comes with Rick's kit are larger versions of the four pole ones. Looks like stargate22 answered your question anyway.

    FRC
    Last edited by FRC; 03-01-2011, 09:04 AM. Reason: word change

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  • shingot
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    the fan i modified is a 4 3/4" fan i bought from the electronic store.this is the largest DC fan available in my area. its not like the PC-fans with windings on 4-poles. the winding is bifilar wounded clockwise in just a circular manner - i did not rewind it - i use the original windings its #27. since its bifilar i use one wire as trigger and the other as power coil (generic bedini circuit) - with this setup it works ok. but when i add another winding on top of the original two i won't work anymore so i stick to the original bifilar and remove my addition. this is why im asking if anyne knows how to wind a fan to use two transistors. i don't have a picture of the inside yet maybe i can disassemble it later or maybe i'll just buy a new one. the box houses the circuit and the two switches for the swapper. the picture with the battery is actually running but my camera can't see it moving.
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  • FRC
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    Do not understand

    Originally posted by shingot View Post
    Does anyone knows how to wind the stator coils if you want to use two transistors - just like the fan kits sold by Rick? I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck, the fan wont work if i use two transistors. i can only make it work if i use only one, BTW im using cap pulser with SCR and diode and also a manual battery swapper (just like Rick). the current draw of my one transistor fan is approx. 230ma but the output current going to the charge battery is only 10ma, this is why it charges the battery very slow. Any help appreciated. TIA
    I do not understand " I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck " With the fan kits you just rewind the coils with a finer guage wire the way they were wound in the first place, or that is what the video says for the kit. Are you using the actual two transistor circuit from the fan kit ? Or is it some other two transistor setup ? Also
    what size fan are you using ?

    FRC

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  • shingot
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    Windings for two transistor Fan

    Does anyone knows how to wind the stator coils if you want to use two transistors - just like the fan kits sold by Rick? I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck, the fan wont work if i use two transistors. i can only make it work if i use only one, BTW im using cap pulser with SCR and diode and also a manual battery swapper (just like Rick). the current draw of my one transistor fan is approx. 230ma but the output current going to the charge battery is only 10ma, this is why it charges the battery very slow. Any help appreciated. TIA

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  • FRC
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    Ssg

    Don't know where to put this, so putting it here. Well it is fan related.

    After three failed attempts, and many fried transistors, got
    an SSG circuit to work. Received some new MLJ21194's in the
    mail the other day(could not get them locally). My first attempts
    were with the SSG Five inch fan kit.After rewinding the coils the
    fan does work in pulse mode. Instead of using the circuit from the
    kit, I made just the circuit on the Bedini Yahoo group page, without the 25ma bulb, and using a new MJL21194. It did not seem to work when hooked up to the five inch fan. Then I connected the coil (I also have the advanced SSG kit) up to the circuit and I could here the coil oscillate. Then I hooked up the fan to power leads from the coil, it sort of worked. Next I hooked the leads to smaller three inch unmodified computer fans and could get them to run with the right adjustment of the pot. Now the circuit seems to be working in solid state mode alone and is charging the charge battery. Can anyone comment on these results. I am happy to at least have some progress at last.

    FRC

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  • duke
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    Originally posted by FRC View Post
    There already are a lot of threads on this forum doing just that. "Joule ringer",
    "This is it", "Bedini Ferris Wheel" just to name a few. Maybe not conventional
    radio frequencies, but oscillation and resonance, and you could add in some
    harmonics to that also.

    FRC
    Thank you very much. im gona keep searching. After reading some other threads too, i regret not paying as much attention in physics in school lol

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  • FRC
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    They are here

    There already are a lot of threads on this forum doing just that. "Joule ringer",
    "This is it", "Bedini Ferris Wheel" just to name a few. Maybe not conventional
    radio frequencies, but oscillation and resonance, and you could add in some
    harmonics to that also.

    FRC

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  • duke
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    ok im new to the forums, and new to electricty. but i know free electricity is more than possible. How bout implementing radio frequencies in your project. Some vids show adding a frequency gives much more power. i could be wrong, please correct me if i am. but this is something that i understood from the guy that built Coral Castle.

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  • FRC
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    torque

    There is not much torque on a Bedini SSG. A Bedini/Cole window motor does have lots of torque. By the sound of things, you should take a look at the Lockridge Device thread. The aim there is to build a self running motor/generator. That is what it sounds like you are interested in.

    FRC

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  • BlueMental
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    Okay, so that is too complex for me to handle.

    Here is a different angle. People are trying to get HHO self running systems, in other words the HHO cells are produce enough Hydrogen to run the generators, while the generators need to be powerful enough to keep the HHO cell running plus have extra left over for usage. (lights etc.)

    The problem they are encountering is that the Generators are not strong enough to power an HHO setup that it's motors can run off.

    So here is a question, what is the reverse torque of a Bendini Motor with no power source?

    In other words, assuming the spikes can be converted into a usable form of current, how much kickback is there on the revolving stator? If it is much less per amp than it is with a conventional generator, then it would require a smaller generator to drive it. This in turn means that the power needed to run the HHO is less than would be needed for a bigger motor.

    Thoughts please.

    BlueMental.

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  • sucahyo
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    Originally posted by FRC View Post
    Have you tried a self running system with your "Stingo motors" ? There should be some gains with those.

    FRC
    Attempt to self charging reduce current draw to half but not negative. So, there is still missing keys for self running.

    Increased source voltage already observed with broken battery. But once the battery get healthy, the effect no longer seen.

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  • FRC
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    Sucahyo

    Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
    We can get more voltage just by combining output. I don't know if there is a way to make them self running.
    Have you tried a self running system with your "Stingo motors" ? There should be some gains with those.

    FRC

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  • FRC
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    Originally posted by BlueMental View Post
    Greetings All.
    Another thing, is there a way to feed the secondary coil (the charge coils) so they have a power source while the magnet has passed them to get a spike out of those coils too?

    Just a thought.

    BlueMental.
    Maybe somehow with a commutator arrangement. In one of the Rick Friedrich
    videos for the Bedini fan kits 2 12v are used for for the primaries = 24v and for the charging side one 12v and another unmodified fan is in place of the second battery as a load. However, these kits use a more complex circuit than the Imhotep one, and an inverted circuit is also used to convert the
    negative radiant charge to a positive one. But with the unmodified load fan
    an additional small generator could probably be connected to it. Might be able to get a self running system out of it somehow.

    FRC

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  • BlueMental
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    Greetings All.

    Thanks for the videos Imhotep.

    I am not very clued up with electronics, but after watching your videos and another one by DadHav called High Voltage Without Power Supply and finally Understanding The Bedini Circuit by Introvertebrate, some thoughts popped into my head.

    Please correct me if I am wrong. The Power Supply needs to be there for the motor to turn. In other words the circuit draws current from that supply. The Charger section charges as long as the Magnets pass the charger coils, regardless of how the motor was spun. In other words if there is no Power Supply, and you turn the motor with a Dremel or by hand, the Charger section supplies voltage to whatever it is connected to.

    As Dadhav also showed, if he puts a capacitor in place of power for the Power Supply connections and he spins it with the dremel, it does charge the capacitor, but the capacitor will dicipate.

    Now having looked at the Understanding the Bedini Circuit Video, I am not able to figure out if Berdini Circuit 1, can be the Power Supply (via the charge spike) for Bedini Circuit 2. (Do they shortcircuit in other words)

    If it could work, the synchronisation to have both circuits running at the same time might find the equilibrium.

    If this works, I have no idea what relation the charge spike has to the power supply. If the charge spike is less than the power supply, then it is a no go, but if it is more (as it increased when DadHav used the mosfet instead of a power supply, then it is an ever increasing voltage.

    Alternatively, if one were to use capacitors that were fed by the other circuits charge spikes, would there be short circuiting?

    If this can work, then we have discovered a perpetual motion machine that can supply voltage.

    Another thing, is there a way to feed the secondary coil (the charge coils) so they have a power source while the magnet has passed them to get a spike out of those coils too?

    Just a thought.

    BlueMental.
    Last edited by BlueMental; 02-07-2011, 04:22 AM.

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