ReGenX Coils and ReGenXtra switching

[BroMikey]

Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.

What is 77,000 for? $$$???

[Iamnuts]

Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.

[BroMikey]

It is also important to note that the direct drive wind turbine
axial motor/generators not only use advanced core materials
but use the G2 HTS Motor WIre.

Here is the beginning for required reading to get started
with any practical application.

For those of you who have followed Thane Heins know that
in at least one of his presentations Thane used a technician
for a demonstration to show a corporation some progress.

In the video the operator had some powerful heating of
the REGENX coils. The wire coils are made from HTS A.K.A.
HIGH TEMP SUPERCONDUCTOR materials. During this episode
a wide range of functions were shown, such as regen/braking
and other configurations for that review.

HIGH TEMP wire that is a SUPERCONDUCTING material has
been offered in the past in the from of copper wire plated
with silver then a teflon coating.

Other forms that are less expensive have emerged.

Look back in the record in Thanes videos and you will
see his coils were wound with teflon insulated wire.

Thane has not come out and written all of the details
on anyone persons forehead thereby given away years
of work in a single expose, instead has sprinkled many
bread crumbs for those of us who follow in his foot steps.

Many other variations exist on out into infinity but unless
a single experiment can be thoroughly researched/ properly
following direction all of the other unlimited possibilities
will probably not be realized either.




http://
www.superpower-inc.com/system/files/2011_0225+Barcelona+Wind+Seminar_Selva.pdf


http://www.superpower-inc.com/content/hts-
materials-technology


AMSC

[BroMikey]

I would like to point out that I am a beginner in the
regenx work of Thane Heins. Also that no one has ever
pointed out an important detail needed to replicate
Thanes coils.

This shows me how little effort has been put forth
by what we call serious experimenters.

First a picture of type 2 HTS wire called for by the
construction details and secondly the words from the patent.

Hopefully this can show us why all of the test data offered
by those who claim adept status in the art continue to
confirm only failing results.

This information is critical and equal to the type of core
materials used to produce the effects.

If anyone has a source for 2G HTS wire we could all get
to work with the proper stuff. Bifilars wound parallel
connected series is no problem but let's use the right wire.

[BroMikey]

Thanks Christian

hello everyone
my name is Cristian Alba, and I'm the same of the thread >>Magnet Motor revelation< <. Today I bring my research on the effect commented on this thread. Few expenses, with common materials by hand of any people
here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjoav6SwFvg and here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_Z...ature=youtu.be
please comment.
Best regard.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjoav6SwFvg[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

7 years ago Thane did these tests and these video's are
no longer present on his channel.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLeKTlLy5E[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vX8Cxkrpqs[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIdu1lWVW0[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q18eSaiKMyc[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WrzCRimtHc[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WrzCRimtHc[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Here is another example of AUL Acceleration Under Load
using a monopole Motor and high impedance Generator
coils. Whenever we have made Bedini coils following
instructions we use a set length of 130 feet of twisted
wire and if the generator coil length instruction is
followed, you end up with a much bigger coil. It dawned
on me that John bedini has been Accelerating his monopoles
under loaded conditions using the high impedance generator
coils, just like we see with the Thane Heins approach.

It is my belief that John Bedini explains things differently
than does Thane Heins but both are operating the same
principle to extra energy.

If anyone remembers how that the generator coils were
much longer and thinner wire. This means that the more
power that is extracted (To a Point) from the generator coils
the more the rotor accelerates and the more energy is
generated for output. It's been right under our noses
all of the time and because very few people followed through
with adding generator coils, little information is available
on the similar effects Thane is reporting.

Notice the 3 generator coils in the video.









[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoKoKqeJsM[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Testing for ReGenerative (ReGenX) acceleration using a wood
rotor.


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5cdhOmwofI[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

In Thane Heins Patents he cites prior art and also uses the
name of a device that was another man's name for using
lenz law to assist rotor torque.

"THE INFINITY MOTOR" remember?

Again a motor that AUL Accelerates Under Load.

His name is Mark Wesling Mark: [email protected]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-jI8ecXniE[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXQBpuLu68[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrbEtXCsXiw[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

next is a world renowned entry right after Peter's (Dr. Peter L.)
This entry reinforces the assumption that Thane Heins has made
a mistake in his experiments and is not infact getting any excess
power. In other words Thane is fooling himself.

Calling him an incapable EE. Now who is the fool?




Nothing more than a hysteresis brake

• On Feb. 6, 2008, DMBoss wrote:
  
• Quote from: blindsangamon on Today at 02:45:23 AM
• It appears that the Perepiteia Motor is nothing more than a
  hysteresis brake. Placing the steel rods (wound by coils) near the
  spinning magnets induces alternating magnetic flux within the
  rods, the resulting magnetic hysteresis causes drag on the rotating
  disk, and heat losses within the steel rods. Shorting out the coils
  effectively shields the steel rods from the disk's magnetic field,
  eliminating the hysteresis drag. This causes the motor to speed
  up - but not as much as it would if the steel rods were removed
  completely.
  
• BUSTED!
  
  
• Hi:
  
• blindsangamon is correct. This is a common phenomenon
  regards "generators", but one often not commonly known about
  if you are not working with AC motors and generators all the
  time. So the professor at MIT may not have this practical
  engineering savvy to identify the issues at first glance.
  
• An hysteresis brake is one way to describe the apparently
  anomalous increase in speed when you short the generator coils.
  What EVERY ferromagnetic core does when exposed to varying
  magnetic fields is to have it's domains rock or flip direction in
  accord with the magnetic field changes impinging on them.
  
• This consumes power in the "friction" between domains as they
  sort of scrape past each other. It results in the material heating
  up. In addition to this hystersis "loss" is an eddy current effect
  within bulk steel from the very same time varying magnetic fields,
  also making heating of the core. These two effects combined are
  commonly termed "core loss".
  
• Core loss produces a reaction torque in a generator, in that the
  domain "friction" resists their aligning with the external field - causing
  more drag torque. Eddy currents make magnetic fields which oppose
  the fields making the eddy currents too, making more drag torque.
  
• Now "core loss" in any ferromagnetic core material is directly
  proportional to the induction, B. Put another way the higher the
  delta flux density, the more core loss you get. (it is also
  proportional to the frequency, but let's assume a constant freq
  here, even though it is not at a constant one - it speeds up and
  slows down, again a neophyte mistake - you must measure things
  here at common speeds/freqs to make comparisons accurately)
  
• And the induction, B is then what produces the coil voltage
  via Faraday/Lenz laws. That is voltage is the time derivative of
  delta flux. So people, when you short a generator coil and it's
  voltage drops to near zero, you can be certain that the delta B
  within the coil's core is also near zero!
  
• So if you started with a delta B of say 1,000 gauss at no load
  on the coils, and your core material produces say 15 watts of core
  loss per pound of core (solid steel is in this ballpark, which is why
  we laminate special steels for transformers which takes the core
  loss down to about 2 watts per pound) then you'd have some
  serious drag torque experienced by the drive motor with coils
  open circuit.
  
• Now if you short the coils and drop the delta B down to say
  10 gauss, you have REDUCED the core loss by a factor of
  1000/10=100 times less core loss when shorted than when
  open circuited!
  
• This means 100 times less drag torque felt by the drive motor!
  (therefore the common shaft speeds up when coils are shorted,
  duhhhh)
  
  [*]This is amateur hour gone mad - both in the videos and mostly
  in these lists! Which does nothing but hurt the cause of getting
  O/U to the masses in my view, as it simply reinforces to the
  powers that be in the scientific community that it is a bunch
  of flakes and idiots making these claims!
  
• Now I will also say, that heavily loading certain geometry of
  generator, can produce some gain. I have several examples on the
  bench which do. But they are proprietary and I don't care to share
  this with lists. BUT you have to do proper energy/power balances to
  measure this gain. And you have to endeavor to reduce core losses
  to a minimum and account for core loss change when you heavily load
  the coils too.
  
• I have one which gets a gain in excess of the entire core loss value,
  both eddy and hysteresis - therefore the gain cannot be from this
  artifact that plagues all coil/core systems. But it is a modest gain,
  and yes the rotor does want to speed up. But you have to manage
  this speed, and measure the loaded and unloaded condition at the
  same shaft speed, because friction and windage change too when
  speed changes.
  
• Then you have to measure True power at the shaft input via
  torque sensing and speed, against True output power, including friction,
  core loss, coil heating and direct electrical output for a complete
  energy/power
  balance. In fact there is an IEEE protocol for doing
  a complete power balance on motors and generators, which includes
  all these things.
  
  [*]This person did few if none of these things properly and is
  delusional about the apparent speed increasing meaning it is O/U.
  There could be a small amount of gain in his sloppy and amateurish
  system, but it is completely overriden by mundane, conventional
  effects as "blindsangamon" correctly points out.
  
• Sorry for being so terse with you folks, but it is very annoying to
  watch so many people do harm to the cause by spouting off without
  really having a grasp of conventional ElectroMagnetics. Both amateur's
  like in these videos, and indeed a large percentage of the armchair
  critics populating these lists! Do your homework before putting foot
  in mouth!
  
• There's a few rational voices out there, blindsangamon being one,
  and most of you then deride these voices with nonsense and blind
  faith!
  
• here's a simplified protocol for measuring a generator's complete
  power balance:
  
• Pick or know the optimal final speed of the system. Use only this
  shaft speed for all measurements.
• 1 Measure all parameters in a generator "no load" condition
  including: 2 Friction alone, meaning with no magnets or mag fields
  acting on the cores. 3 Then include the mag fields and measure the
  input drag power (torque times angular velocity).
  
• The difference between 3 minus 2 is the core loss at no load.
  
• 4 Measure the DC resistance of all coils as they would be connected
  in a loaded condition (i.e. series or parallel).
• 5 Load the generator at the same speed as the no load tests.
• 6 measure input power via torque times speed.
  (Newton-meters times RPM times 0.1047 = shaft power in
  watts)
• 7 measure True output electrical power. Not with
  DMM's. but with appropriate True Power meters or analyzers.
• 8 measure coil current, and calculate coil's "Joule heating"
  via I^2R.
• 9 measure and compare coil voltage compared to no load
  voltage for a ratio with which to discount core loss.
• Then take the loaded input shaft power in watts as INPUT
  to system.
  
• Against this Input, you add the following:
• a electrical output in watts
• b friction in watts
• c core loss via no load core loss times the voltage drop ratio
  (so if no load core loss were 37 watts, and no load voltage was
  125V and loaded voltage is 83V, then the ratio is 0.664. Multiply
  0.664 times no load core loss of 37 watts to equal 24.57 watts
  output core loss)
• d coil heating via I^2R
  
• Add up item a through d for the total system OUTPUT.
  
• Now divide Output by Input for your COP. (Coefficient of
  Performance)
  
• Note friction, core loss and coil heat are legitimate outputs....
  they heat the room! Useful output is an arbitrary distinction based
  on subjective criteria. If you want shaft power then heat is not
  useful. If however you want a heater, then shaft power is not
  useful! So to know in the absolute sense if a thing is over unity
  or not, you have to account for ALL outputs in a balance sheet.
  
• That's another pet peeve of mine - those who dismiss everything
  they deem as "not useful"! Now suppose you had a system which
  routinely produces 200% more heat output in coil heating and core
  heating while it turns a shaft as in some newfangled motor. The
  shaft power COP is only 35%, but overall the system is 200% gainful.
  These persons I refer to would dismiss this as not being useful
  because the shaft power is under unity!
  
• When in fact a home heating system would require a heat
  exchange mechanism to get heat from your machine to the air,
  thus it requires a pump - moving air or water or both. So you could
  make "use" of both the excess heating and the shaft power from
  said system!
  
• My point is at these early stages it is imperative that you
  measure all aspects even if you may "think" they aren't useful.
  For complete energy balances and because overunity may not
  come in the form you wish it to!

[BroMikey]

Back around 2000 Thane was working on this stuff and here
is one of his first entries in 2003 that is easy to read. Very short
and to the point.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Direct...eia_patent.pdf








Here is an 8 year old entry stating that Thane Heins has nothing.
Or have I read this wrong. You see our problem here? If statements
like this are to be retracted then why hasn't the retraction come?
I guess now we can see why Thane no longer comes here.

No Useful Output

On Feb. 6, 2008, Peter Lindemann, DSc, writes:

I have reviewed all seven video links. In all fairness, I would like to
say that Thane has built some nice demonstrations and spent a lot
of time running experiments. That said, the films show nothing
important. First of all, the films do not show enough detailed
information to evaluate the demonstrations. Second, no free
energy is shown. In fact, the generators are never shown
producing any useful outputs. They are either shown
producing voltage in "open circuit" mode, or they are shown in
"short circuit" mode, where the generated voltage drops below
one volt. So, ZERO WATTS are produced in either case.

The changes in mechanical drag are due to changes in inductance
and hysteresis. Back in the 1980's, both John Bedini and I
independently worked with "variable reluctance" generators.
We both saw that these designs work like an inverse to a
standard induction generator. That is, they produce maximum
drag in "open circuit" mode, and minimum drag in "short circuit"
mode. John found that the point of maximum benefit in this situation
is to charge a battery, where the impedance of the generator
"sees" the battery as a "near short circuit". Under these
circumstances, the generator free-wheels and the battery
charges quickly.

Unfortunately, Thane is not showing any useful benefits from
the generator output. So, there is no "efficiency" to calculate
because there is no output!

The real problem with these demonstrations has to do with his motor
drive. The motor driving his system is a single phase induction motor.
This type of motor has almost zero starting torque, and only
produces its rated power at rated speed. So, the rated speed of
his motor is
probably in the neighborhood of 1725 RPM. Running this motor in
the 100 RPM range converts 98% of the input electric power to HEAT.
He says he has a capacitor in the input circuit to the motor, but
this is never shown in schematic, so we don't know how it is hooked
up. If the capacitor is connected in SERIES with the motor winding,
it will act as a current limiter, and skew the power factor of the
motor towards reactive power. This is fine, IF you want to limit
the mechanical power of the motor as well. If the capacitor is
connected in PARALLEL with the motor winding, it will act to
produce reactive power for the motor locally, and reduce the
amount of power it draws from the wall. But again, this would
only be significant at rated speed.

The effect he shows when a magnetic field is applied to the motor
shaft would be undetectable if he was operating the motor correctly.
It is a very weak effect. It is probably caused by the external
magnetic field interfering with the induced magnetic field of the
rotor. This would not happen if the motor coils were not being
severely current limited and the rotor was not "slipping" severely
in the rotating magnetic field of the stator.

My GUESS is that the capacitor is in SERIES with the motor winding.
This will limit the current to the motor to a specific maximum. At the
speeds he is running these motors, the only other mechanism to hold
back the input current would be the resistance of the wire in the
motor coils. If that is all he had, the motor would quickly over-heat
and melt the insulation right off the wire. The fact that the motor
is running hot is proved in the seventh film where a large black fan
is shown blowing on the motor!

From the data presented, my best estimate of the efficiency
of the demonstrations is that over 90% of the energy going into
the motor is converted to heat. The changes in drag of the
generators is standard behavior for variable reluctance topologies,
so accelerations or decelerations of the motor DO NOT represent
energy production, just changes in HYSTERESIS DRAG. Since no
output energies are ever measured, the input to output efficiency
ratio is ZERO.

Thane Heins may have more important discoveries in his lab,
but they are not demonstrated in these videos.

I'm really sorry to have to comment negatively on Thane's work.
He is exploring a new effect, and he is pretty brave to put out his
data. It took John and I years to figure out what these kinds of
generators were really doing and why. It is not obvious, and it
takes a lot of experimenting and thinking to work it out.

Thane really needs to show the complete schematic of his test
apparatus, including the strength and orientation of the magnets
on his generator wheel, as well as the specifications on his drive
motor. There is a lot of important data missing from the demos.

[BroMikey]

Stages of coil operation.

First two Conventional stages then ReGenX have three stages.

Patent US20140111054 - Generator and Improved Coil Therefor Having Electrodynamic Properties - Google Patents

Conventional Generator Coil Operation, Stage 1 and Stage 2

FIG. 9 shows what happens when a North Pole rotor magnet approaches
a conventional coil which is connected to a load, current flows to the
load and the coil produces both a repelling resistive electromagnetic
force as seen by the approaching rotor magnet as well as an
attractive resistive electromagnetic field as seen by the receding
magnetic field. The net effect is more externally applied force must
always be applied to the rotor magnets to keep them approaching
the coil or they will decelerate and eventually stop if the load current
is great enough. The higher the current magnitude flowing in the coil
the stronger the coil's induced magnetic field and the more force must
be applied to the rotor.

When the North Pole rotor magnetic field begins to move away from the
coil's core as shown in FIG. 10, the current flow direction changes
direction as well and the coil's induced resistive magnetic field changes
from a repelling magnetic field to an attracting magnetic field which
resists the North Pole rotor's departure.

ReGen-X Generator Coil Operation, Stage 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3

In Stage 1 as shown in FIG. 11, when the rotor's magnet field
approaches the ReGen-X coil above a certain critical minimum
frequency the coil impedance delays current flow in the coil and
it does not peak until the rotor magnet passes TDC. TDC is the
point in time when the rotor magnet is neither approaching nor
receding the coil and it is
essentially stationary. FIG. 5 shows the current sine wave in the
ReGenX coil (B) which is minimal prior to TDC and maximum
after TDC. When the rotor magnetic field approaches a ReGenX
coil above the coil's critical minimum frequency the current is
delayed and the resultant repelling magnetic field is minimal as
shown in the isolation

diagram below FIG. 12.

FIG. 12 shows the current sine wave for a conventional generator
coil (A) which peaks at the 90 degree mark (TDC). The resistive
repelling magnetic field produced by the coil increases in magnitude
until it peaks at 90 degrees and then changes direction to a
maximum magnitude resistive attracting magnetic field after the
90 degree mark when the current flow in the coil also changes
direction. The current flowing in the ReGenX generator coil on
the other hand is small prior to the 90 degree mark and does not
peak until after TDC or until the rotor magnet is already moving
away from the coil's core. The NET result is the post
90 degree (accelerative) repelling forces are greater than the
pre 90 degree (decelerative) repelling forces exerted by the ReGenX
coil's induced magnetic field on the rotor's rotating magnetic
field and rotor acceleration occurs under load.

FIG. 13 shows Stage 2 for the
ReGenX generator coil when the rotor magnetic field is TDC,
neither approaching nor receding from the coil's core.

At TDC the impedance of the coil drops to the low DC resistance
of the
coil while the induced voltage in the coil is at a maximum. The
maximum induced voltage can now be dissipated through the
coil's low DC resistance which produces maximum current flow
through the coil and to the load. The ReGenX coil's current flow
is delayed by the coil's inductance rise time as shown in FIG. 2.
and maximum current flow
and corresponding maximum magnetic field produced around the
coil does not fully manifest itself until 45 degrees post TDC. Once
the rotor's magnetic field begins to move away from the coil's core
at TDC the ReGenX coil's delayed and peaking magnetic field repels
and accelerates the rotor magnetic field in the same direction as its
original trajectory and accelerates its departure away from the coil
at a faster rate than it otherwise would be.

FIGS. 14 & 15 show Stage 3 for the ReGenX coil operation where the
rotor's rotating magnetic field has moved past the coils core at TDC.
When the ReGen-X coil discharges its delayed magnetic field which is
the same polarity as the receding rotor magnet it accelerates the
magnet's departure at a faster rate while simultaneously attracting
the opposite pole on the rotor which is now moving into position. The
net effect is less externally applied force can be applied to the rotor
magnets to keep them approaching the coil as opposed to a
conventional generator coil which requires an increase in eternally
applied force. The higher the current magnitude flowing in the
ReGen-X coil the stronger the coil's induced magnetic field and the
less force is required to keep the rotor rotating and the generator
producing electrical energy.

[BroMikey]

Here is one important Patent for the ReGenX coils and
acceleration Under Load. Here you will find the math needed
to build your replication. Anyone who can run the math will
be close enough to experiment.

US Patent
Application for Generator and Improved Coil Therefor Having
Electrodynamic Properties Patent Application (Application
#20140111054 issued April 24, 2014) - Justia Patents
Search

Some math highlights.

[BroMikey]

In these pictures the rotor on the back is incomplete.
The holes are drilled but the magnets are not yet installed.
The rotor plate is also moves back so we can SEE.

Thane is showing progress. But the important thing is that
we envision the 24 magnetic pole alternating N to S on
each side and the opposite ends of coils have the rotor 1
magnet out of sinc with the other side.

In other ways of stating this the opposite ends of all coils
have an opposite pole magnet passing by it to produce an
AC wave. Yet the coils do not operate all by themselves.

The coils are a set of two as shown in the patent. Not
one coil passing over one magnet, no, that is not how it is.

Each thing we talk about is based on some past innovation
in motor design and what Thane has done is to combine as
many of these improvements as possible into his systems.

The patent declares that one or two is responsible for the
higher result when the rest of the story remains to be scene
only by those who are applying themselves in this work.

Special wire (Superconductors Type) special cores but the
delayed lenz to be calculated based on timing that will assist
motor action.

Without numbers we are building a radio without a tank circuit
and trying to find a radio station we like.

I am trying to think this through and will be back with some math.
Thane specifically pointed out one of his devices operating at a
78 degree phase shift delayed coil action.

Another video Thane comes back and shows a great big ReGenX
coil that he says is only 2 ohms and works well. Others are 3,4,5,6
ohm coils but the timing is a relationship between motor coil
timing and RegenX/Assisting coil timing to get that phase angle.

Math.

[BroMikey]

lets say we had the proper HTS magnet wire and the right
core material for producing or replicating the AUL effect that
lowers input power while assisting rotor torque.

I didn't say just AUL I said AUL that LOWERS input power and
assists rotor torque.

I didn't say having just AUL or acceleration under load.

This brings me back to the BiTT work that I did for understanding
the ReGenX coil arrangements. Unless you can see the effect
with the BiTT, I don't feel that you have started from the beginning.

The BiTT operates at 60hz on a completely different type of
core material than conventional cores use yet everyone insists
on using just whatever they have kicking around wondering
why their rig was a flop.

The BiTT and ReGenX use a phase shifted voltage to current
reactive power and the BiTT uses 3X-5X the number of turns
on a core that requires this. WHY?

The BiTT is an AC transformer so pole reversals are continuous.
The ReGenX coils are AC and poles also constantly reverse yet
special transformer core materials such as grain oriented are
used to reduce heating, WHY?

I have AC coils that magnetize any metal around it. WHY?

WHY do conventional cores operating in AC still need special
materials?

If you have a set of 2 or 3 homemade motor coils for motoring
running at .5 milliseconds at 3600 RPM'S which in some cases
are where convention coils run, what coils calculation would
you show to assist that timing?

Multiple choice: @3600 RPM

A: a coil that has a 10 millisecond TC

B: a coil that has a 3 millisecond TC

C: a coil that has a 5 millisecond TC

At what phase angle would you want your assisting coil to
engage?

Would it be 45 degrees?

Would it be 75 degrees?

Would it be 90 degrees?

Would it be 180 degrees?

Depending on which value you have chosen will give the proper
coil dimensions, number of turns, size and type of wire.

If I have a coil and magnet interacting every .5 milliseconds
somewhere in between the time it takes to get from point A to
point B my calculation for assisting will be made.

If I have a .5 millisecond motoring coil timing and I use a
5 millisecond Regenerative coil in the experiment, at what
phase angle will this 5 millisecond coil enter into the equation?

Will it come into play 5-10 poles down the line?